CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
M1AGM said:
Tbf it is impeccable timing, as was the interview Gates did about his thoughts on how we would deal with the ‘next’ pandemic using vaccines in late 2019. You should look it up if you haven’t seen it, it’s prophetic.
One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
Was it just after the big exercise in pandemic planning around that time? One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/e...
website said:
The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.
scenario8 said:
pneumothorax said:
Yep, she nails it there. I was looking at my records from this time 3 years ago and it's disturbing. They caused panic, and it was absolutely disastrous for anyone either with Covid or il for any reason without it.
Probably 3 years to this day, I visited a nursing home where a family's mother was dying, cancer as I recall, and I found them in the car park, had been told they couldn't come in. there was probably 10 of them. Luckily she was on the ground floor but they had to watch me helping her on her way through the window. Strange times.
The level of obedience with this nonsense was/is alarming.
Just wanted to acknowledge this post.Probably 3 years to this day, I visited a nursing home where a family's mother was dying, cancer as I recall, and I found them in the car park, had been told they couldn't come in. there was probably 10 of them. Luckily she was on the ground floor but they had to watch me helping her on her way through the window. Strange times.
The level of obedience with this nonsense was/is alarming.
It is hard to disagree with the last observation.
M1AGM said:
Seventy said:
His inference was that Gates had inside knowledge. Plain to see.
The Gates foundation has been investing in vaccines for years, including mRNA.
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
Tbf it is impeccable timing, as was the interview Gates did about his thoughts on how we would deal with the ‘next’ pandemic using vaccines in late 2019. You should look it up if you haven’t seen it, it’s prophetic.The Gates foundation has been investing in vaccines for years, including mRNA.
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
Joe Rogan (Grifter?) has the same thought train
https://twitter.com/DavidWolfe/status/163915994921...
RSTurboPaul said:
Good to have pneumothorax back
It is hard to disagree with the last observation.
Thanks. It was extraordinary, if someone had told me that these things happened, I would never believe them but I witnessed it first hand. It is hard to disagree with the last observation.
Just think about it, it's 2 am in a nursing home in Fulham about 3 years ago, a doctor turns up to palliate their Mother and this family can see her from the car park, and they all stay there to watch it through a window. They did not just say " we are coming with that doctor and we GOING to hold her hand"
They obeyed.
As someone more eloquently put it in this thread ages ago, this had all the hallmarks of the way religion controlled people 300 years ago.
Rather than mellow my position on this, the passage of time has made me more angry and incredulous about what we did to people.
pneumothorax said:
Thanks. It was extraordinary, if someone had told me that these things happened, I would never believe them but I witnessed it first hand.
Just think about it, it's 2 am in a nursing home in Fulham about 3 years ago, a doctor turns up to palliate their Mother and this family can see her from the car park, and they all stay there to watch it through a window. They did not just say " we are coming with that doctor and we GOING to hold her hand"
They obeyed.
As someone more eloquently put it in this thread ages ago, this had all the hallmarks of the way religion controlled people 300 years ago.
Rather than mellow my position on this, the passage of time has made me more angry and incredulous about what we did to people.
Write a book - I'd buy it.Just think about it, it's 2 am in a nursing home in Fulham about 3 years ago, a doctor turns up to palliate their Mother and this family can see her from the car park, and they all stay there to watch it through a window. They did not just say " we are coming with that doctor and we GOING to hold her hand"
They obeyed.
As someone more eloquently put it in this thread ages ago, this had all the hallmarks of the way religion controlled people 300 years ago.
Rather than mellow my position on this, the passage of time has made me more angry and incredulous about what we did to people.
It's fascinating to hear the opinions of doctors like you and Georgy - people with real world experience who aren't afraid to speak out about what has happened and who recognised what was going on was madness.
RSTurboPaul said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
M1AGM said:
Tbf it is impeccable timing, as was the interview Gates did about his thoughts on how we would deal with the ‘next’ pandemic using vaccines in late 2019. You should look it up if you haven’t seen it, it’s prophetic.
One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
Was it just after the big exercise in pandemic planning around that time? One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/e...
website said:
The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.
pneumothorax said:
They obeyed.
I did not thankfully. I informed the hospital I would have a high court judge looking at the paperwork at 10am the next day and asked would they disobey a court order? . They decided to "change" their policy...I am however grateful there are people like you around who actually believe in your oath. Sadly this episode made it all too clear how all too many act and feel about power, control and obedience. Many thousands of people will be suffering due to the actions and failures of so many in the NHs for many years to come (and many will die needlessly).
I don't think we have had this yet. Vaccine harm unit increased from 4 staff to 80 as number of claims exceed 4,000
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/24/vaccin...
I believe as well that the number of claims is merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of numbers who experienced significant harm, either temporarily or permanently.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/24/vaccin...
I believe as well that the number of claims is merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of numbers who experienced significant harm, either temporarily or permanently.
JagLover said:
I don't think we have had this yet. Vaccine harm unit increased from 4 staff to 80 as number of claims exceed 4,000
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/24/vaccin...
I believe as well that the number of claims is merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of numbers who experienced significant harm, either temporarily or permanently.
Can't see beyond paywall at the moment....https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/24/vaccin...
I believe as well that the number of claims is merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of numbers who experienced significant harm, either temporarily or permanently.
Are you suggesting they only had 4 members of staff to cover the entire country? I'm guessing the backlog would be pretty substantial....
Biker 1 said:
Can't see beyond paywall at the moment....
Are you suggesting they only had 4 members of staff to cover the entire country? I'm guessing the backlog would be pretty substantial....
The Telegraph has one of those easily bypassed paywalls. Not sure if it is against PH guidelines to tell you how, but it is very easily done. Are you suggesting they only had 4 members of staff to cover the entire country? I'm guessing the backlog would be pretty substantial....
I remember a few comments on here questioning why 2 senior FDA scientists quit shortly after the the Pfizer vaccine was approved.
- https://twitter.com/Ponykillr/status/1631753142743...
Bit of context there.
And yet more evidence that almost no matter what any trial or study showed - these vaccines were going to be approved - primarily for political reasons, it seems.
They seem more interested in getting it approved because they think states wouldn't be able to mandate a EUA vaccine and it would give people more confidence to get vaccinated if it had been approved. Although, as Gruber points out, rushing the approval will likely make people more hesitant.
Myocarditis even gets a token mention!
- https://twitter.com/Ponykillr/status/1631753142743...
Bit of context there.
And yet more evidence that almost no matter what any trial or study showed - these vaccines were going to be approved - primarily for political reasons, it seems.
They seem more interested in getting it approved because they think states wouldn't be able to mandate a EUA vaccine and it would give people more confidence to get vaccinated if it had been approved. Although, as Gruber points out, rushing the approval will likely make people more hesitant.
Myocarditis even gets a token mention!
Seems pertinent to this thread:
Telegraph - 11 charts that show the continuing impact of lockdown
https://archive.ph/JBNrc
Telegraph - 11 charts that show the continuing impact of lockdown
https://archive.ph/JBNrc
pneumothorax said:
Thanks. It was extraordinary, if someone had told me that these things happened, I would never believe them but I witnessed it first hand.
Just think about it, it's 2 am in a nursing home in Fulham about 3 years ago, a doctor turns up to palliate their Mother and this family can see her from the car park, and they all stay there to watch it through a window. They did not just say " we are coming with that doctor and we GOING to hold her hand"
They obeyed.
As someone more eloquently put it in this thread ages ago, this had all the hallmarks of the way religion controlled people 300 years ago.
Rather than mellow my position on this, the passage of time has made me more angry and incredulous about what we did to people.
Sorry if I missed it but why didn't you insist that the family could join you? Did you show obedience to the nursing home staff? Or would you have put yourself in a professionally-compromised position?Just think about it, it's 2 am in a nursing home in Fulham about 3 years ago, a doctor turns up to palliate their Mother and this family can see her from the car park, and they all stay there to watch it through a window. They did not just say " we are coming with that doctor and we GOING to hold her hand"
They obeyed.
As someone more eloquently put it in this thread ages ago, this had all the hallmarks of the way religion controlled people 300 years ago.
Rather than mellow my position on this, the passage of time has made me more angry and incredulous about what we did to people.
Hereward said:
Sorry if I missed it but why didn't you insist that the family could join you? Did you show obedience to the nursing home staff? Or would you have put yourself in a professionally-compromised position?
By the time I got there, they had been at the window watching for about an hour. They had accepted that they were not getting in. PPE was in short supply but I had some and I suggested to the staff, that if I was to kit up one member of the family, it would be a sensible and humane thing to allow him to come in with me. They refused. The family went along with what was then, and increasingly looking back, an inhumane policy. I actually think that some of it was borne out of fear as well, this family knew that people were dying in that place and they were quite likely scared, they were made that way by HMG and the media.
I have dozens of similar experiences. What we did was bonkers.
One of the other Patient's that sticks out in my mind, was an elderly lady who had become truly suicidal, it's an unusual thing. I visited her late in 2020 when she was planning to jump into the Thames. I found her to be very lucid and when she described what had precipitated her very real suicidal ideation, it was the death of her husband at St Thomas's.
She then explained what had happened and that the hospital had said he died of pneumonia as a complication of COVID. She maintained that he died of starvation and I agreed with her. She had been married to him for 52 years and he had developed dementia, she was to only person who he trusted give him food. She pleaded with the hospital for three weeks to be allowed in to give him food.
I lived in Putney on the banks of the river during this and was working nights. Two things used to disturb my sleep, the weekly pot banging, and helicopters
scanning the river. I would then ride over Putney Bridge en route to work and see Police officers peering into the river and I saw this probably 4 times in 2020.
She then explained what had happened and that the hospital had said he died of pneumonia as a complication of COVID. She maintained that he died of starvation and I agreed with her. She had been married to him for 52 years and he had developed dementia, she was to only person who he trusted give him food. She pleaded with the hospital for three weeks to be allowed in to give him food.
I lived in Putney on the banks of the river during this and was working nights. Two things used to disturb my sleep, the weekly pot banging, and helicopters
scanning the river. I would then ride over Putney Bridge en route to work and see Police officers peering into the river and I saw this probably 4 times in 2020.
pneumothorax said:
One of the other Patient's that sticks out in my mind, was an elderly lady who had become truly suicidal, it's an unusual thing. I visited her late in 2020 when she was planning to jump into the Thames. I found her to be very lucid and when she described what had precipitated her very real suicidal ideation, it was the death of her husband at St Thomas's.
She then explained what had happened and that the hospital had said he died of pneumonia as a complication of COVID. She maintained that he died of starvation and I agreed with her. She had been married to him for 52 years and he had developed dementia, she was to only person who he trusted give him food. She pleaded with the hospital for three weeks to be allowed in to give him food.
I lived in Putney on the banks of the river during this and was working nights. Two things used to disturb my sleep, the weekly pot banging, and helicopters
scanning the river. I would then ride over Putney Bridge en route to work and see Police officers peering into the river and I saw this probably 4 times in 2020.
Out of interest, why were there helicopters regularly scanning the river?She then explained what had happened and that the hospital had said he died of pneumonia as a complication of COVID. She maintained that he died of starvation and I agreed with her. She had been married to him for 52 years and he had developed dementia, she was to only person who he trusted give him food. She pleaded with the hospital for three weeks to be allowed in to give him food.
I lived in Putney on the banks of the river during this and was working nights. Two things used to disturb my sleep, the weekly pot banging, and helicopters
scanning the river. I would then ride over Putney Bridge en route to work and see Police officers peering into the river and I saw this probably 4 times in 2020.
pneumothorax said:
Hereward said:
Sorry if I missed it but why didn't you insist that the family could join you? Did you show obedience to the nursing home staff? Or would you have put yourself in a professionally-compromised position?
By the time I got there, they had been at the window watching for about an hour. They had accepted that they were not getting in. PPE was in short supply but I had some and I suggested to the staff, that if I was to kit up one member of the family, it would be a sensible and humane thing to allow him to come in with me. They refused. The family went along with what was then, and increasingly looking back, an inhumane policy. I actually think that some of it was borne out of fear as well, this family knew that people were dying in that place and they were quite likely scared, they were made that way by HMG and the media.
I have dozens of similar experiences. What we did was bonkers.
Yes, "fear" was definitely prevalent in March. I recall our office closing and being instructed to work from home via a late-evening text and email - one of our colleagues had caught this Covid thing and was in intensive care. All totally unprecedented. A few days later I was suddenly wiped out at home, feeling like a zombie with a monster hangover, barely awake and totally unable to eat or drink anything other than water for 2 days. Even tea tasted rank.
Coupled with the images coming in from Italy I remember thinking that if my parents caught this thing they were dead. So it was a mixture of personal experience and media that had put an element of fear in to me in those very early days in March.
Grumps. said:
pneumothorax said:
One of the other Patient's that sticks out in my mind, was an elderly lady who had become truly suicidal, it's an unusual thing. I visited her late in 2020 when she was planning to jump into the Thames. I found her to be very lucid and when she described what had precipitated her very real suicidal ideation, it was the death of her husband at St Thomas's.
She then explained what had happened and that the hospital had said he died of pneumonia as a complication of COVID. She maintained that he died of starvation and I agreed with her. She had been married to him for 52 years and he had developed dementia, she was to only person who he trusted give him food. She pleaded with the hospital for three weeks to be allowed in to give him food.
I lived in Putney on the banks of the river during this and was working nights. Two things used to disturb my sleep, the weekly pot banging, and helicopters
scanning the river. I would then ride over Putney Bridge en route to work and see Police officers peering into the river and I saw this probably 4 times in 2020. [/quote
Out of interest, why were there helicopters regularly scanning the river?
The posts from Grumps just made me really sad. She then explained what had happened and that the hospital had said he died of pneumonia as a complication of COVID. She maintained that he died of starvation and I agreed with her. She had been married to him for 52 years and he had developed dementia, she was to only person who he trusted give him food. She pleaded with the hospital for three weeks to be allowed in to give him food.
I lived in Putney on the banks of the river during this and was working nights. Two things used to disturb my sleep, the weekly pot banging, and helicopters
scanning the river. I would then ride over Putney Bridge en route to work and see Police officers peering into the river and I saw this probably 4 times in 2020. [/quote
Out of interest, why were there helicopters regularly scanning the river?
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