CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[KAgantua]

Grumps. said:

pneumothorax said:

One of the other Patient's that sticks out in my mind, was an elderly lady who had become truly suicidal, it's an unusual thing. I visited her late in 2020 when she was planning to jump into the Thames. I found her to be very lucid and when she described what had precipitated her very real suicidal ideation, it was the death of her husband at St Thomas's.

She then explained what had happened and that the hospital had said he died of pneumonia as a complication of COVID. She maintained that he died of starvation and I agreed with her. She had been married to him for 52 years and he had developed dementia, she was to only person who he trusted give him food. She pleaded with the hospital for three weeks to be allowed in to give him food.

I lived in Putney on the banks of the river during this and was working nights. Two things used to disturb my sleep, the weekly pot banging, and helicopters
scanning the river. I would then ride over Putney Bridge en route to work and see Police officers peering into the river and I saw this probably 4 times in 2020.

Out of interest, why were there helicopters regularly scanning the river?

Just 'asking questions'.

This post (Assuming it is not a genuine question) really crystallizes that you are only here to wind people up and derail conversation.

[pneumothorax]

Just to clarify, people were jumping into the Thames where I lived, on an unprecedented scale in 2020. At night.

[Grumps.]

pneumothorax said:

Just to clarify, people were jumping into the Thames where I lived, on an unprecedented scale in 2020. At night.

Thanks for clarifying.

[James6112]

Grumps. said:

pneumothorax said:

Just to clarify, people were jumping into the Thames where I lived, on an unprecedented scale in 2020. At night.

Thanks for clarifying.

Must be a localised problem then. An anomaly.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

“In 2020, there were 5,224 suicides registered in England and Wales, equivalent to an age-standardised mortality rate of 10.0 deaths per 100,000 people and statistically significantly lower than the 2019 rate of 11.0 deaths per 100,000”

“ For the fifth consecutive year, London has had the lowest suicide rate of any region of England (7.0 deaths per 100,000), while the highest rate in 2020 was in the North East with 13.3 deaths per 100,000”

[Grumps.]

James6112 said:

Grumps. said:

pneumothorax said:

Just to clarify, people were jumping into the Thames where I lived, on an unprecedented scale in 2020. At night.

Thanks for clarifying.

Must be a localised problem then. An anomaly.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

“In 2020, there were 5,224 suicides registered in England and Wales, equivalent to an age-standardised mortality rate of 10.0 deaths per 100,000 people and statistically significantly lower than the 2019 rate of 11.0 deaths per 100,000”

“ For the fifth consecutive year, London has had the lowest suicide rate of any region of England (7.0 deaths per 100,000), while the highest rate in 2020 was in the North East with 13.3 deaths per 100,000”

I was interested in this and couldn't find any reports from around that time of any?

[M1AGM]

James6112 said:

Grumps. said:

pneumothorax said:

Just to clarify, people were jumping into the Thames where I lived, on an unprecedented scale in 2020. At night.

Thanks for clarifying.

Must be a localised problem then. An anomaly.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

“In 2020, there were 5,224 suicides registered in England and Wales, equivalent to an age-standardised mortality rate of 10.0 deaths per 100,000 people and statistically significantly lower than the 2019 rate of 11.0 deaths per 100,000”

“ For the fifth consecutive year, London has had the lowest suicide rate of any region of England (7.0 deaths per 100,000), while the highest rate in 2020 was in the North East with 13.3 deaths per 100,000”

And if you read the 2021 suicides data you will find that a lot of those deaths occurred in 2020 and were omitted from the data in the link you provided due to the pandemic halting inquests. But you knew that because the link you have provided makes that observation.

[liner33]

M1AGM said:

And if you read the 2021 suicides data you will find that a lot of those deaths occurred in 2020 and were omitted from the data in the link you provided due to the pandemic halting inquests. But you knew that because the link you have provided makes that observation.

Anecdotally a GP acquaintance of ours told us that she had gone from seeing less than 2 Suicides a month on average to 2 or 3 per week during the worst of Covid

[Twinfan]

I seem to recall pedestrians were banned from using the Humber Bridge for a period over the pandemic due to the massively increased number of suicides

[Elysium]

pneumothorax said:

Hereward said:

Sorry if I missed it but why didn't you insist that the family could join you? Did you show obedience to the nursing home staff? Or would you have put yourself in a professionally-compromised position?

By the time I got there, they had been at the window watching for about an hour. They had accepted that they were not getting in. PPE was in short supply but I had some and I suggested to the staff, that if I was to kit up one member of the family, it would be a sensible and humane thing to allow him to come in with me. They refused. The family went along with what was then, and increasingly looking back, an inhumane policy.

I actually think that some of it was borne out of fear as well, this family knew that people were dying in that place and they were quite likely scared, they were made that way by HMG and the media.

I have dozens of similar experiences. What we did was bonkers.

It’s so good to see posts like this.

I’ve come to terms with the last three years and learned a lot about myself. It still matters to me that someone who works day to day in issues of life and death realised that we had lost our way.

I never understood why people did not fight to be with their loved ones.

[rodericb]

James6112 said:

Grumps. said:

pneumothorax said:

Just to clarify, people were jumping into the Thames where I lived, on an unprecedented scale in 2020. At night.

Thanks for clarifying.

Must be a localised problem then. An anomaly.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

“In 2020, there were 5,224 suicides registered in England and Wales, equivalent to an age-standardised mortality rate of 10.0 deaths per 100,000 people and statistically significantly lower than the 2019 rate of 11.0 deaths per 100,000”

“ For the fifth consecutive year, London has had the lowest suicide rate of any region of England (7.0 deaths per 100,000), while the highest rate in 2020 was in the North East with 13.3 deaths per 100,000”

Luckily those helicopters were scanning the river to pull those people attempting suicide out of the water. If the ones which did succeed happened to be tested and found to have a skerrick of COVID-19 on them then they probably got recorded as a covid death...... no biggie, too busy to accurately record things etcetera.......

[isaldiri]

pneumothorax said:

I have dozens of similar experiences. What we did was bonkers.

Bonkers it certainly was. however I wonder if you perhaps are being a little too hard on the compliance that was shown. Society is quite conditioned to being guilted into 'doing the right thing' and human nature has always been quite easily exploited. The line that was very strongly signalled by the authorities and repeated by the media was that we had to do the right thing back in March2020. I think it's hard to fault those (at least the general members of the public) who whether from fear or feelings of personal sacrifice did what they did even with close friends/family at the time being directly affected.

[croyde]

My now ex girlfriend completely bought into the 'rules'.

Followed the not meet other people law to the letter. Even accused me of being irresponsible for wanting to spread disease.

Refused to see me for, what was it, 2 months, maybe longer.

We then arranged a 'picnic' outside my workplace (of course I was teeming with virus due to commuting and working with others, impossible to social distance), we didn't hug, hold hands, kiss but we did share olives.

She did call me later to say how upset she was at not being able to hug me.

Utter madness, but she doesn't break rules.

Ruined our relationship, it never recovered

Or, maybe it was her way of finishing with me

After over 2 years of leading a pretty normal working life, in close contact with 100s of people I did catch the bug, but only after 3 jabs.

[Hants PHer]

isaldiri said:

Bonkers it certainly was. however I wonder if you perhaps are being a little too hard on the compliance that was shown. Society is quite conditioned to being guilted into 'doing the right thing' and human nature has always been quite easily exploited. The line that was very strongly signalled by the authorities and repeated by the media was that we had to do the right thing back in March2020. I think it's hard to fault those (at least the general members of the public) who whether from fear or feelings of personal sacrifice did what they did even with close friends/family at the time being directly affected.

I have a less charitable view than yours, I'm afraid. I am still a little angry with good friends of mine who bought into the guidance without question. I stress those last two words: without question. That was perhaps understandable in the first couple of weeks, but I was literally the only person in my social circle looking at the published data and questioning the utter nonsense that was being inflicted on us.

Everyone else that I know simply did as they were told by those in authority, despite having said for years that those same authorities were incompetent fools who could not be trusted. And yet, suddenly, when the council put hazard tape all round the kiddies' play park, my friends all said "Well, I'm sure it's necessary."

It's that schizophrenic "The authorities are idiots / I will obey 100%" mindset that I couldn't, and still don't, understand.

[grumbledoak]

Hants PHer said:

I have a less charitable view than yours, I'm afraid. I am still a little angry with good friends of mine who bought into the guidance without question. I stress those last two words: without question. That was perhaps understandable in the first couple of weeks, but I was literally the only person in my social circle looking at the published data and questioning the utter nonsense that was being inflicted on us.

Everyone else that I know simply did as they were told by those in authority, despite having said for years that those same authorities were incompetent fools who could not be trusted. And yet, suddenly, when the council put hazard tape all round the kiddies' play park, my friends all said "Well, I'm sure it's necessary."

It's that schizophrenic "The authorities are idiots / I will obey 100%" mindset that I couldn't, and still don't, understand.

Everyone remains responsible for what they did. Whether they are judged legally or morally, "I was Only Obeying Orders (tm)" is no excuse.

Of course that will range from wearing a mask when asked, to closing the kiddies play parks, to strapping people to ventilators or injecting them with compounds that harmed or killed them, or ordering this to be done en masse. So some have quite a bit more to live with and answer for than others.

[Cold]

An interesting (and PH themed) sidebar to all the CV19 nonsense is that Autocar magazine have observed numerous reports of car tyres failing MOTs and inspections due to the sidewalls or tread area cracking because of lack of use during lockdowns.

Although this spike in incidents is mainly anecdotal at the moment, it is repeated by many in the supply and inspection industry and appears to be directly attributable to extended periods of inactivity leading to the various UV resistant waxes and chemicals not migrating to the tyre's surface.

[Grumps.]

Cold said:

An interesting (and PH themed) sidebar to all the CV19 nonsense is that Autocar magazine have observed numerous reports of car tyres failing MOTs and inspections due to the sidewalls or tread area cracking because of lack of use during lockdowns.

Although this spike in incidents is mainly anecdotal at the moment, it is repeated by many in the supply and inspection industry and appears to be directly attributable to extended periods of inactivity leading to the various UV resistant waxes and chemicals not migrating to the tyre's surface.

April 1st is still a few days away!

There just cannot be any reason why this can be attributed to lockdowns imo.

Any link to this observation by autocar as I have just done a quick Google and haven’t found anything.

Edited by Grumps. on Monday 27th March 13:25

[bodhi]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear that all of the anecdotal evidence for this centres around tyres with "Bridgestone" written on the side.....

[Biker 1]

Cold said:

An interesting (and PH themed) sidebar to all the CV19 nonsense is that Autocar magazine have observed numerous reports of car tyres failing MOTs and inspections due to the sidewalls or tread area cracking because of lack of use during lockdowns.

Although this spike in incidents is mainly anecdotal at the moment, it is repeated by many in the supply and inspection industry and appears to be directly attributable to extended periods of inactivity leading to the various UV resistant waxes and chemicals not migrating to the tyre's surface.

Yep - I have seen this occur to many cars that are left to stand for months on end. If the UV isn't the culprit, then slow deflation/distortion/flat spotting will soon kill tyres. Motorcycles are often laid up over winter using paddock stands in nice dark, dry garages for these very reasons.

[Cold]

Grumps. said:

Cold said:

An interesting (and PH themed) sidebar to all the CV19 nonsense is that Autocar magazine have observed numerous reports of car tyres failing MOTs and inspections due to the sidewalls or tread area cracking because of lack of use during lockdowns.

Although this spike in incidents is mainly anecdotal at the moment, it is repeated by many in the supply and inspection industry and appears to be directly attributable to extended periods of inactivity leading to the various UV resistant waxes and chemicals not migrating to the tyre's surface.

April 1st is still a few days away!

There just cannot be any reason why this can be attributed to lockdowns imo.

Any link to this observation by autocar as I have just done a quick Google and haven’t found anything.

Edited by Grumps. on Monday 27th March 13:25

It's in this week's mag which won't appear on their website for a few days yet. (22 March edition, page 16, written by John Evans)
Evans cites readers' experiences, a Kwik Fit spokesperson and the RAC's analysis of MOT test results.

[Jasandjules]

isaldiri said:

I wonder if you perhaps are being a little too hard on the compliance that was shown. .

Far too soft IMHO. Had the stupid people actually had a spine and a brain we would have ended this bull**t a LOT sooner and with lower costs, both lives and money.

We still do not speak to a few friends who wanted to meet but wanted us to test first. We told them to FRO and now when they ask to meet up..... We don't bother......