CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
James6112 said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Elysium said:
The pandemic plan was never to ‘do nothing’. But there were many options that would have been less damaging and probably just as effective than lockdown.
Sweden show us how it could have been. I’ve been there and spoken with the locals who said that life during COVID was pretty much normal for healthy working people. That could have been us.
Doing nothing was one option that would have been better than what we did! Sweden show us how it could have been. I’ve been there and spoken with the locals who said that life during COVID was pretty much normal for healthy working people. That could have been us.
Yes I agree Sweden was better, but that horse has well and truly bolted as far as I'm concerned and there is no getting it back.
This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
James6112 said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Elysium said:
The pandemic plan was never to ‘do nothing’. But there were many options that would have been less damaging and probably just as effective than lockdown.
Sweden show us how it could have been. I’ve been there and spoken with the locals who said that life during COVID was pretty much normal for healthy working people. That could have been us.
Doing nothing was one option that would have been better than what we did! Sweden show us how it could have been. I’ve been there and spoken with the locals who said that life during COVID was pretty much normal for healthy working people. That could have been us.
Yes I agree Sweden was better, but that horse has well and truly bolted as far as I'm concerned and there is no getting it back.
This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
cherryowen said:
Not being a parent, I was totally unaware of the damage The Lockdown could do to kids both in education and prior to schooling. This is sobering reading:-
Ghost children: the pupils who never came back after lockdown
I wonder is this resonates with our resident teacher, V1nce F?
When we were doing virtual schooling (for over a year!) the principal said at one point that about 30-40% of the elementary school kids just disappeared. Of those that were there, it was obvious that they were doing it on Mom’s phone at the kitchen table.Ghost children: the pupils who never came back after lockdown
I wonder is this resonates with our resident teacher, V1nce F?
Separately, just wrapping up a week of vacation in Japan. They just gave up on the mask mandate about 3 weeks ago. Probably 95-99% of the population is still wearing masks outside. I saw numerous examples of the shower curtain defense at registers.
James6112 said:
Sweden did ok
This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
Lucky we have wise and benevolent politicians who can work around our shortcomings!This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
Edited by JuanCarlosFandango on Saturday 1st April 07:02
Councillor jailed for attempt to steal more than £430,000 from Eat Out To Help Out scheme: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11925401/...
JuanCarlosFandango said:
James6112 said:
Sweden did ok
This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
Lucky we have wise and benevolent politicians who can work around our shortcomings!This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
In all seriousness, I think this post sums up the inherent selfishness of the restrictions. I had somewhat forgotten how blatant this was at the time.
Our deep rooted fear of disease quickly became a fear of strangers. Our knee jerk reaction was that it was being spread by rule breakers. By the ‘covidiots’ who were more interested in going to the pub than saving lives. The ones that didn’t clap for the NHS, or wear masks. They were probably ‘anti-vaxxers’ all along.
Those people needed to be shamed and forced to comply to keep us true believers safe. Sweden didn’t need that shame because they are all beautiful and well behaved. But we definitely did, because of the grubby underclasses who drove disease.
Of course the curtain twitching, pot banging virtue signallers privately broke the rules, because they never really believed they were the problem. It was always the ‘others’ that caused and spread COVID. The dirty students, or the minorities who worked in the takeaways or factories. They needed to be controlled.
Elysium said:
I assumed James was talking about the politicians when he used the word ‘man-babies’?
In all seriousness, I think this post sums up the inherent selfishness of the restrictions. I had somewhat forgotten how blatant this was at the time.
Our deep rooted fear of disease quickly became a fear of strangers. Our knee jerk reaction was that it was being spread by rule breakers. By the ‘covidiots’ who were more interested in going to the pub than saving lives. The ones that didn’t clap for the NHS, or wear masks. They were probably ‘anti-vaxxers’ all along.
Those people needed to be shamed and forced to comply to keep us true believers safe. Sweden didn’t need that shame because they are all beautiful and well behaved. But we definitely did, because of the grubby underclasses who drove disease.
Of course the curtain twitching, pot banging virtue signallers privately broke the rules, because they never really believed they were the problem. It was always the ‘others’ that caused and spread COVID. The dirty students, or the minorities who worked in the takeaways or factories. They needed to be controlled.
I knowledge. It was a bit of a jolt reading that, but in 2020-21 the internet was full of such errant nonsense. In all seriousness, I think this post sums up the inherent selfishness of the restrictions. I had somewhat forgotten how blatant this was at the time.
Our deep rooted fear of disease quickly became a fear of strangers. Our knee jerk reaction was that it was being spread by rule breakers. By the ‘covidiots’ who were more interested in going to the pub than saving lives. The ones that didn’t clap for the NHS, or wear masks. They were probably ‘anti-vaxxers’ all along.
Those people needed to be shamed and forced to comply to keep us true believers safe. Sweden didn’t need that shame because they are all beautiful and well behaved. But we definitely did, because of the grubby underclasses who drove disease.
Of course the curtain twitching, pot banging virtue signallers privately broke the rules, because they never really believed they were the problem. It was always the ‘others’ that caused and spread COVID. The dirty students, or the minorities who worked in the takeaways or factories. They needed to be controlled.
Well .....it was before entering lockdown 3 in dec2020 it was most clearly seen. Plenty of other posters like James6112 were blaming all the 'bad' people for not obeying restrictions better and causing infections to rise so were responsible for the incoming lockdown. Nevermind all the data that clearly showed it was people least well off and least able to wfh getting infected more and having worse outcomes (those bad people are clogging up 'our' icus how dare they!). Can't beat smug superiority from some posters all the while between ordering deliveroo and amazon I guess....
Elysium said:
I assumed James was talking about the politicians when he used the word ‘man-babies’?
In all seriousness, I think this post sums up the inherent selfishness of the restrictions. I had somewhat forgotten how blatant this was at the time.
Our deep rooted fear of disease quickly became a fear of strangers. Our knee jerk reaction was that it was being spread by rule breakers. By the ‘covidiots’ who were more interested in going to the pub than saving lives. The ones that didn’t clap for the NHS, or wear masks. They were probably ‘anti-vaxxers’ all along.
Those people needed to be shamed and forced to comply to keep us true believers safe. Sweden didn’t need that shame because they are all beautiful and well behaved. But we definitely did, because of the grubby underclasses who drove disease.
Of course the curtain twitching, pot banging virtue signallers privately broke the rules, because they never really believed they were the problem. It was always the ‘others’ that caused and spread COVID. The dirty students, or the minorities who worked in the takeaways or factories. They needed to be controlled.
It was a demonstration of self-preservation at its finest. It really did bring out the worst in people.In all seriousness, I think this post sums up the inherent selfishness of the restrictions. I had somewhat forgotten how blatant this was at the time.
Our deep rooted fear of disease quickly became a fear of strangers. Our knee jerk reaction was that it was being spread by rule breakers. By the ‘covidiots’ who were more interested in going to the pub than saving lives. The ones that didn’t clap for the NHS, or wear masks. They were probably ‘anti-vaxxers’ all along.
Those people needed to be shamed and forced to comply to keep us true believers safe. Sweden didn’t need that shame because they are all beautiful and well behaved. But we definitely did, because of the grubby underclasses who drove disease.
Of course the curtain twitching, pot banging virtue signallers privately broke the rules, because they never really believed they were the problem. It was always the ‘others’ that caused and spread COVID. The dirty students, or the minorities who worked in the takeaways or factories. They needed to be controlled.
And they even got to pretend it was about saving others and not their own fears.
Just pathetic all round.
James6112 said:
Sweden did ok
This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
What part of Sweden are you in? My Swedish friends did no such things and were out in packed bars ?!?!This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
cherryowen said:
Not being a parent, I was totally unaware of the damage The Lockdown could do to kids both in education and prior to schooling. This is sobering reading:-
Ghost children: the pupils who never came back after lockdown
I wonder is this resonates with our resident teacher, V1nce F?
Sorry i’ve only just seen this. Ghost children: the pupils who never came back after lockdown
I wonder is this resonates with our resident teacher, V1nce F?
I could easily list many, many incidents our team has had to deal with as a direct result of this, from kids disappearing who were previously great, kids who disintegrate frequently, multiple suicide attempts, increased aggressive and confrontational/violent behaviour, and so on.
These are happening several times a week and show no sign of letting up.
I spent three hours in a small room counselling a good kid last week who is absolutely f
ked. We’re doing everything to help him but the damage is irreparable. And while i was doing that, 24 other kids were being abandoned in the lesson i had to leave in order to do it. I could fill a book with horror stories of the fallout, but no one would believe me. It’s been a f
king disaster from start to end. Grumps. said:
Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.
With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
it is obviously true that the risk from COVID varies massively with age.With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
An 80 year old is several thousand times more likely to die during a COVID infection than a 20 year old and this remains the case even after vaccination.
The number of healthy children in the UK that have died as a result of covid is vanishingly small. A very small proportion have clearly suffered serious illness and a very small subset of that group are likely to have lasting impact from this. However, the idea that substantial numbers of kids have been left damaged by mild infection is total nonsense.
The WHO have just updated their guidance to say that vaccination of children against COVID is not a priority because the risk to then is so small
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1191556...
Edited by Elysium on Saturday 1st April 10:06
Elysium said:
Grumps. said:
Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.
With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
it is obviously true that the risk from COVID varies massively with age.With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
An 80 year old is several thousand times more likely to die during a COVID infection than a 20 year old and this remains the case even after vaccination.
The number of healthy children in the UK that have died as a result of covid is vanishingly small. A very small proportion have clearly suffered serious illness and a very small subset of that group are likely to have lasting impact from this. However, the idea that substantial numbers of kids have been left damaged by mild infection is total nonsense.
The WHO have just updated their guidance to say that vaccination of children against COVID is not a priority because the risk to then is so small
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1191556...
Edited by Elysium on Saturday 1st April 10:06
king good of them. Grifting s.Thank you to posters such as g3org3y and Elysium for countering fools such as James6112 and his silly comments.
Thanks also to V1nce Fox for highlighting the true damage that lockdowns did to our children.
Sadly, too many people seem happy to forget all of the misinformation and nonsense we had over the last three years. "Get over it", they say, and "let's move on". Or even "Brits can't be trusted, unlike those sensible Swedes"
Sadly, this tells me that many people cannot or will not accept the truth of the catastrophic way Covid was handled. Worse still, because of this head in the sand attitude we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, should it happen again.
Thanks also to V1nce Fox for highlighting the true damage that lockdowns did to our children.
Sadly, too many people seem happy to forget all of the misinformation and nonsense we had over the last three years. "Get over it", they say, and "let's move on". Or even "Brits can't be trusted, unlike those sensible Swedes"
Sadly, this tells me that many people cannot or will not accept the truth of the catastrophic way Covid was handled. Worse still, because of this head in the sand attitude we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, should it happen again.
Elysium said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
James6112 said:
Sweden did ok
This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
Lucky we have wise and benevolent politicians who can work around our shortcomings!This was because they are not idiots & took necessary precautions as a matter of course. Practised social distancing & behaved sensibly. Their bars were as quiet as ours. Sensible folk.
Unfortunately the average Uk citizen would have carried on regardless, like the all too common man-babies.
So stricter rules were required until the cavalry arrived (vaccines). The restrictions were entirely due to their pathetic mindset.
In all seriousness, I think this post sums up the inherent selfishness of the restrictions. I had somewhat forgotten how blatant this was at the time.
Our deep rooted fear of disease quickly became a fear of strangers. Our knee jerk reaction was that it was being spread by rule breakers. By the ‘covidiots’ who were more interested in going to the pub than saving lives. The ones that didn’t clap for the NHS, or wear masks. They were probably ‘anti-vaxxers’ all along.
Those people needed to be shamed and forced to comply to keep us true believers safe. Sweden didn’t need that shame because they are all beautiful and well behaved. But we definitely did, because of the grubby underclasses who drove disease.
Of course the curtain twitching, pot banging virtue signallers privately broke the rules, because they never really believed they were the problem. It was always the ‘others’ that caused and spread COVID. The dirty students, or the minorities who worked in the takeaways or factories. They needed to be controlled.
For example:
- Messaging needs to emphasise and explain the duty to protect others
- Messaging about actions need to be framed positively in terms of protecting oneself and the community, and increase confidence that they will be effective
- Communication strategies should provide social approval for desired behaviours and promote social approval within the community.
- Consideration should be given to use of social disapproval but with a strong caveat around unwanted negative consequences.
SAGE SPI:B Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures, 22 March 2020
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/options...
g3org3y said:
Grumps. said:
Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.
With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
Long Covid in kids you say?With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
There's seems to be a theme developing and it doesn't appear to be covid causing the issues!
ETA - Whoops, just realised he's talking about the same study! Thought it was on of his older videos!
Edited by Slagathore on Saturday 1st April 12:23
Grumps. said:
Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.
With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
I find the long covid issue interesting. Anyone who has (or hasn’t) had covid but is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its covid, definitely covid wot done it. Anyone who has been jabbed and is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its not the jab, definitely not the jab wot done it.With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.
Ah science!
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