CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[RSTurboPaul]

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

[RSTurboPaul]

M1AGM said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

I find the long covid issue interesting. Anyone who has (or hasn’t) had covid but is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its covid, definitely covid wot done it. Anyone who has been jabbed and is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its not the jab, definitely not the jab wot done it.

Ah science!

No, it's 'The Science'.

Get it right, man

[JuanCarlosFandango]

M1AGM said:

I find the long covid issue interesting. Anyone who has (or hasn’t) had covid but is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its covid, definitely covid wot done it. Anyone who has been jabbed and is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its not the jab, definitely not the jab wot done it.

Ah science!

There's a lot of this. The incredible double standards for evidence always grate with me. It was somehow reasonable to record every death within a month of a positive test as a covid death, regardless of the accuracy of the test or the actual cause of death. When healthy 20 somethings drop dead of heart problems shortly after receiving a vaccine there's "no evidence" that the two are linked.

[Grumps.]

RSTurboPaul said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

Why do want a link?

Proof?

Something to pick holes in and pull apart?

I suspect it's the latter.

[V1nce Fox]

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

Why do want a link?

Proof?

Something to pick holes in and pull apart?

I suspect it's the latter.

Why not post it and let people make their own minds up?

[JuanCarlosFandango]

V1nce Fox said:

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

Why do want a link?

Proof?

Something to pick holes in and pull apart?

I suspect it's the latter.

Why not post it and let people make their own minds up?

Maybe he's moved on?

[RSTurboPaul]

Slagathore said:

g3org3y said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Long Covid in kids you say?

New study her on older group - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/f...

There's seems to be a theme developing and it doesn't appear to be covid causing the issues!

ETA - Whoops, just realised he's talking about the same study! Thought it was on of his older videos!

Edited by Slagathore on Saturday 1st April 12:23

Interesting...

Study said:

Findings

This cohort study included 382 SARS-CoV-2–positive individuals and a control group of 85 SARS-CoV-2–negative individuals aged 12 to 25 years who were assessed at the early convalescent stage and at 6-month follow-up.

When applying the World Health Organization case definition of PCC, prevalence at 6 months was 49%, but was also comparably high (47%) in the control group.

PCC was not associated with biological markers specific to viral infection, but with initial symptom severity and psychosocial factors.

...

Results

A total of 404 individuals testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 and 105 individuals testing negative were enrolled (194 male [38.1%]; 102 non-European [20.0%] ethnicity).

A total of 22 of the SARS-CoV-2–positive and 4 of the SARS-CoV-2–negative individuals were lost to follow-up, and 16 SARS-CoV-2–negative individuals were excluded due to SARS-CoV-2 infection in the observational period.

Hence, 382 SARS-CoV-2–positive participants (mean [SD] age, 18.0 [3.7] years; 152 male [39.8%]) and 85 SARS-CoV-2–negative participants (mean [SD] age, 17.7 [3.2] years; 31 male [36.5%]) could be evaluated.


The point prevalence of PCC at 6 months was 48.5% in the SARS-CoV-2–positive group and 47.1% in the control group (risk difference, 1.5%; 95% CI, −10.2% to 13.1%).


SARS-CoV-2 positivity was not associated with the development of PCC (relative risk [RR], 1.06; 95% CI, 0.83 to 1.37; final multivariable model utilizing modified Poisson regression).

The main risk factor for PCC was symptom severity at baseline (RR, 1.41; 95% CI, 1.27-1.56).

Low physical activity (RR, 0.96; 95% CI, 0.92-1.00) and loneliness (RR, 1.01; 95% CI, 1.00-1.02) were also associated, while biological markers were not.

Symptom severity correlated with personality traits.

That appears to suggest that higher levels of physical activity and social interactions, alongside a positive mental attitude / personality, are the key factors in lower levels of 'long covid'.

Good job the latter factor is not an outcome related to the former factors, and the former were not placed under unnecessarily heavy restrictions and demonised as 'wrong think' by our wise and caring Government for the best part of two years...

[V1nce Fox]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Maybe he's moved on?

[RSTurboPaul]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

V1nce Fox said:

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

Why do want a link?

Proof?

Something to pick holes in and pull apart?

I suspect it's the latter.

Why not post it and let people make their own minds up?

Maybe he's moved on?

One could ponder on the likely response were one of us 'CT' loons to respond in an identical manner to a request for evidence behind a claim being made...

[RSTurboPaul]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

M1AGM said:

I find the long covid issue interesting. Anyone who has (or hasn’t) had covid but is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its covid, definitely covid wot done it. Anyone who has been jabbed and is unexplainably unwell for a period of time, its not the jab, definitely not the jab wot done it.

Ah science!

There's a lot of this. The incredible double standards for evidence always grate with me. It was somehow reasonable to record every death within a month of a positive test as a covid death, regardless of the accuracy of the test or the actual cause of death. When healthy 20 somethings drop dead of heart problems shortly after receiving a vaccine there's "no evidence" that the two are linked.

Don't forget you are 'unvaccinated' for 14 days after, er, being injected...

[Grumps.]

RSTurboPaul said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

V1nce Fox said:

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

Why do want a link?

Proof?

Something to pick holes in and pull apart?

I suspect it's the latter.

Why not post it and let people make their own minds up?

Maybe he's moved on?

One could ponder on the likely response were one of us 'CT' loons to respond in an identical manner to a request for evidence behind a claim being made...

Well, you seem to manage to find and post up a huge raft of "information" you find on the internet, so i am sure you'll find it.

You might need to change your search keywords though!

[Eyersey1234]

Hants PHer said:

Thank you to posters such as g3org3y and Elysium for countering fools such as James6112 and his silly comments.

Thanks also to V1nce Fox for highlighting the true damage that lockdowns did to our children.

Sadly, too many people seem happy to forget all of the misinformation and nonsense we had over the last three years. "Get over it", they say, and "let's move on". Or even "Brits can't be trusted, unlike those sensible Swedes"

Sadly, this tells me that many people cannot or will not accept the truth of the catastrophic way Covid was handled. Worse still, because of this head in the sand attitude we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, should it happen again.

That is my concern too

[Eyersey1234]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

There's a lot of this. The incredible double standards for evidence always grate with me. It was somehow reasonable to record every death within a month of a positive test as a covid death, regardless of the accuracy of the test or the actual cause of death. When healthy 20 somethings drop dead of heart problems shortly after receiving a vaccine there's "no evidence" that the two are linked.

It grates with me as well

[Sticks.]

Eyersey1234 said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

There's a lot of this. The incredible double standards for evidence always grate with me. It was somehow reasonable to record every death within a month of a positive test as a covid death, regardless of the accuracy of the test or the actual cause of death. When healthy 20 somethings drop dead of heart problems shortly after receiving a vaccine there's "no evidence" that the two are linked.

It grates with me as well

Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.

I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Sticks. said:

Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.

I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.

It could be long covid. There's no evidence it is the vaccine.


Am I doing this right?

[KAgantua]

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

V1nce Fox said:

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

Why do want a link?

Proof?

Something to pick holes in and pull apart?

I suspect it's the latter.

Why not post it and let people make their own minds up?

Maybe he's moved on?

One could ponder on the likely response were one of us 'CT' loons to respond in an identical manner to a request for evidence behind a claim being made...

Well, you seem to manage to find and post up a huge raft of "information" you find on the internet, so i am sure you'll find it.

You might need to change your search keywords though!

C'mon Grumps, surely you can post the link to back up your statements? You ask the same of tothers?

[RSTurboPaul]

KAgantua said:

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

V1nce Fox said:

Grumps. said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Grumps. said:

Our local news has had a feature on this week about children with long covid.

With all this talk about it not affecting the younger generation this was not strictly true.

Please may I ask if you can provide a link to the article?

Why do want a link?

Proof?

Something to pick holes in and pull apart?

I suspect it's the latter.

Why not post it and let people make their own minds up?

Maybe he's moved on?

One could ponder on the likely response were one of us 'CT' loons to respond in an identical manner to a request for evidence behind a claim being made...

Well, you seem to manage to find and post up a huge raft of "information" you find on the internet, so i am sure you'll find it.

You might need to change your search keywords though!

C'mon Grumps, surely you can post the link to back up your statements? You ask the same of tothers?

The position appears to be that posting up "information" (the reason for the quotation marks is unclear) is undesirable, so it may not be forthcoming

Or maybe it is that only certain "information" needs evidencing?

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Saturday 1st April 16:09

[scenario8]

Grumps. said:

Well, you seem to manage to find and post up a huge raft of "information" you find on the internet, so i am sure you'll find it.

You might need to change your search keywords though!

Something to do at half time…

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2023-03-30/nhs-d...

No time to watch it myself, though.

[Slagathore]

RSTurboPaul said:

That appears to suggest that higher levels of physical activity and social interactions, alongside a positive mental attitude / personality, are the key factors in lower levels of 'long covid'.

Good job the latter factor is not an outcome related to the former factors, and the former were not placed under unnecessarily heavy restrictions and demonised as 'wrong think' by our wise and caring Government for the best part of two years...

I think it confirms the studies that have been posted here previously on long covid which summarised the same as that Norwegian study - children who hadn't even had covid were reporting the same symptoms - someone even termed it long-lockdown, highlighting it is most likely down to mental health/anxiety.

I think the last study posted which looked at adults drew some similar conclusions that suggested obesity, mental health/anxiety etc were quite common in people with long covid.

I think a lot of people underestimate that power of how we think and the effects it can have on our physical health. And how a 2 year campaign of fear and manipulation and constant talk of long covid could actually convince a lot of health people they have long covid when they don't.

[johnboy1975]

gareth_r said:

Let's not forget that, alongside fear - The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. - the propagandists behavioural scientists also deployed other nudges.

For example:
- Messaging needs to emphasise and explain the duty to protect others
- Messaging about actions need to be framed positively in terms of protecting oneself and the community, and increase confidence that they will be effective
- Communication strategies should provide social approval for desired behaviours and promote social approval within the community.
- Consideration should be given to use of social disapproval but with a strong caveat around unwanted negative consequences.


SAGE SPI:B Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures, 22 March 2020
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/options...

Funnily enough I've just linked to that in the "scare me harder, Daddy" "give us a siren...if it saves one life it will have been worth it" thread.

In reply to a bloke who thinks Boris is a complete charlatan, but who also trusts him to use this siren wisely. (Has everyone in here turned theirs OFF? )

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...