CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
Sticks. said:
Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.
I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Can be a sign of Guillain-Barré syndrome. It’s a rare vaccine side effect that happens quite a lot. I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
BabySharkDD said:
Sticks. said:
Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.
I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Can be a sign of Guillain-Barré syndrome. It’s a rare vaccine side effect that happens quite a lot. I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Rollin said:
BabySharkDD said:
Sticks. said:
Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.
I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Can be a sign of Guillain-Barré syndrome. It’s a rare vaccine side effect that happens quite a lot. I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
You lot are quite insane. Looking for things that aren't there... imagining things that aren't happening.
I'm certain this will be part of the conspiracy theory... but there is only so much you can ignore... only so much reality you can pretend isn't happening.
I can only imagine your frustration that no-one believes what you say. It must be so painful to hold on to ridiculous beliefs despite all evidence against them. I honestly wouldn't know, I've always been able to change what I thought based on evidence, even when new evidence countered what I previously thought.
captain_cynic said:
Rollin said:
BabySharkDD said:
Sticks. said:
Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.
I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Can be a sign of Guillain-Barré syndrome. It’s a rare vaccine side effect that happens quite a lot. I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
You lot are quite insane. Looking for things that aren't there... imagining things that aren't happening.
I'm certain this will be part of the conspiracy theory... but there is only so much you can ignore... only so much reality you can pretend isn't happening.
I can only imagine your frustration that no-one believes what you say. It must be so painful to hold on to ridiculous beliefs despite all evidence against them. I honestly wouldn't know, I've always been able to change what I thought based on evidence, even when new evidence countered what I previously thought.
Vaccines (generally speaking) can cause GBS, which is why GBS was listed as an adverse event of special interest in all of the reactions databases. Something which doesn't happen a lot is not "it doesn't happen". And that's for people who hadn't shown signs of GBS previously - there's also the people with history of GBS who were pressured into having Covid-19 "jabs" or had to suffer the consequences of not having them such as the drummer from the band Green Day.
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/a...
captain_cynic said:
Indeed... it doesn't happen..
You lot are quite insane. Looking for things that aren't there... imagining things that aren't happening.
I'm certain this will be part of the conspiracy theory... but there is only so much you can ignore... only so much reality you can pretend isn't happening.
I can only imagine your frustration that no-one believes what you say. It must be so painful to hold on to ridiculous beliefs despite all evidence against them. I honestly wouldn't know, I've always been able to change what I thought based on evidence, even when new evidence countered what I previously thought.
Going from one extreme to another while claiming you are all about evidence is quite laughable, especially when considering a whole load of your previous posts. Guilan barre israre - covid or not there isn't any good evidence outside of mostly anecdotal quotes that it's happening more frequently now. On the other hand, claiming 'it doesn't happen' is if anything rather a lot more stupid because it's far more easily proven wrong and only a fool would try to claim that.You lot are quite insane. Looking for things that aren't there... imagining things that aren't happening.
I'm certain this will be part of the conspiracy theory... but there is only so much you can ignore... only so much reality you can pretend isn't happening.
I can only imagine your frustration that no-one believes what you say. It must be so painful to hold on to ridiculous beliefs despite all evidence against them. I honestly wouldn't know, I've always been able to change what I thought based on evidence, even when new evidence countered what I previously thought.
I understand why those who were sceptical about our response to COVID post here. It is by some distance the most significant world event in our lifetimes and the restrictions we put in place have been the most intrusive in our democratic history. There is still a lot to process, unpack, understand and discuss. Not to mention the gradual shift of public discourse away from an extreme pro-lockdown position towards a more rational balanced one.
What is much less clear is the motivation for the posters who come here only to disrupt and to shout about conspiracy theories. I think the conspiracy theory allegation itself is simple enough. It is an obvious way to insult people without openly breaking forum rules. But the determination of this small group of people goes beyond ‘ordinary’ attempts to wind people up for amusement.
They are clearly angry. They don’t like the fact that alternative viewpoints exist and they want to shut them down. They were probably very happy with the censorship that we saw during the COVID crisis and the deplatforming of experts who dared to have a different opinion. People like Carl Heneghan and the GBD authors for example.
But these experts have come out of this rather well, they are able to talk openly about their ideas which many now realise were actually quite reasonable. Despite that this thread is still afflicted by those who want the debate shut down and for us all to ‘move on’.
My conclusion is that they were so invested in their pro-lockdown worldview and the ‘othering’ of the bad people who did not do as they were told that every time some of the sceptics concerns are proven valid it feels like a direct attack on them. So they fight back. They will do anything to shut down debate rather than face up to what they have done.
Masks was the biggest trigger for a while, now it’s vaccines. But in the last week the WHO have confirmed exactly what many thought from the outset, that COVID vaccines are not actually necessary for the healthy young. It’s been obvious for over a year that boosters have only short term effects and they are no longer going to be offered to working age people in the UK. It’s also obvious that there are vaccine injuries and the proportion and severity of this needs to be investigated properly. The idea that even talking about these things is dangerous no longer flies.
The mass vaccination programme is done. It’s over. There is no risk in talking about the benefit or harms that it may have caused.
But we still get people leaping to the conclusion that a discussion about a relatively common and well understood condition, that is a known side effect of vaccination and has increased during the COVID crisis, is madness and conspiracy theory,
What is much less clear is the motivation for the posters who come here only to disrupt and to shout about conspiracy theories. I think the conspiracy theory allegation itself is simple enough. It is an obvious way to insult people without openly breaking forum rules. But the determination of this small group of people goes beyond ‘ordinary’ attempts to wind people up for amusement.
They are clearly angry. They don’t like the fact that alternative viewpoints exist and they want to shut them down. They were probably very happy with the censorship that we saw during the COVID crisis and the deplatforming of experts who dared to have a different opinion. People like Carl Heneghan and the GBD authors for example.
But these experts have come out of this rather well, they are able to talk openly about their ideas which many now realise were actually quite reasonable. Despite that this thread is still afflicted by those who want the debate shut down and for us all to ‘move on’.
My conclusion is that they were so invested in their pro-lockdown worldview and the ‘othering’ of the bad people who did not do as they were told that every time some of the sceptics concerns are proven valid it feels like a direct attack on them. So they fight back. They will do anything to shut down debate rather than face up to what they have done.
Masks was the biggest trigger for a while, now it’s vaccines. But in the last week the WHO have confirmed exactly what many thought from the outset, that COVID vaccines are not actually necessary for the healthy young. It’s been obvious for over a year that boosters have only short term effects and they are no longer going to be offered to working age people in the UK. It’s also obvious that there are vaccine injuries and the proportion and severity of this needs to be investigated properly. The idea that even talking about these things is dangerous no longer flies.
The mass vaccination programme is done. It’s over. There is no risk in talking about the benefit or harms that it may have caused.
But we still get people leaping to the conclusion that a discussion about a relatively common and well understood condition, that is a known side effect of vaccination and has increased during the COVID crisis, is madness and conspiracy theory,
Edited by Elysium on Sunday 2nd April 10:47
captain_cynic said:
Rollin said:
BabySharkDD said:
Sticks. said:
Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.
I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Can be a sign of Guillain-Barré syndrome. It’s a rare vaccine side effect that happens quite a lot. I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
You lot are quite insane. Looking for things that aren't there... imagining things that aren't happening.
I'm certain this will be part of the conspiracy theory... but there is only so much you can ignore... only so much reality you can pretend isn't happening.
I can only imagine your frustration that no-one believes what you say. It must be so painful to hold on to ridiculous beliefs despite all evidence against them. I honestly wouldn't know, I've always been able to change what I thought based on evidence, even when new evidence countered what I previously thought.
I thought the freaks, like the bloke with a clothes shop in Norwich where all the local hospital consultants used to come in and confide that the vaccinated were dropping like flies had disappeared, but it seems there’s always someone prepared to stoop even lower in finding weird ways to get their kicks.
BabySharkDD said:
Sticks. said:
Didn't someone do a FOI question some time ago about how many had died of rather than with Covid and their average age? Probably covered already.
I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Can be a sign of Guillain-Barré syndrome. It’s a rare vaccine side effect that happens quite a lot. I accompanied a friend to a hospital consultation recently - near me and they don't drive. They'd been experiencing tingling in their feet, ankles, knees and hands for a few months. Blood tests already showed nothing and not diabetes. Consultant said he'd been seeing a lot of it recently and, subject to further tests, it's likely due to either Covid or the vaccine. I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, though I've not kept up with this thread if it has.
Thanks for the other comments, which I didn't quote just for brevity. Note in my OP the consultant said he's seeing quite a lot of it and he linked it to Covid/vaccine, we hadn't even thought about it. I'll let you know if anything relevant to this discussion comes up.
Thanks
Roman Rhodes said:
See also ‘doctor’s’ stories of police helicopters sweeping the Thames for people throwing themselves in and ‘teacher’s’ accounts of child suicide attempts at their school.
I thought the freaks, like the bloke with a clothes shop in Norwich where all the local hospital consultants used to come in and confide that the vaccinated were dropping like flies had disappeared, but it seems there’s always someone prepared to stoop even lower in finding weird ways to get their kicks.
No I'd say the freaks are very much still here on this thread, constantly popping in to let us know how much they disagree with everyone. I thought the freaks, like the bloke with a clothes shop in Norwich where all the local hospital consultants used to come in and confide that the vaccinated were dropping like flies had disappeared, but it seems there’s always someone prepared to stoop even lower in finding weird ways to get their kicks.
It's a curious way of getting their kicks I will admit, but it makes them feel "intelligent" and "serious characters" - even though that isn't really how they come across - so I just leave them to it.
Occasionally anyway.
Roman Rhodes said:
See also ‘doctor’s’ stories of police helicopters sweeping the Thames for people throwing themselves in and ‘teacher’s’ accounts of child suicide attempts at their school.
I thought the freaks, like the bloke with a clothes shop in Norwich where all the local hospital consultants used to come in and confide that the vaccinated were dropping like flies had disappeared, but it seems there’s always someone prepared to stoop even lower in finding weird ways to get their kicks.
- https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/...I thought the freaks, like the bloke with a clothes shop in Norwich where all the local hospital consultants used to come in and confide that the vaccinated were dropping like flies had disappeared, but it seems there’s always someone prepared to stoop even lower in finding weird ways to get their kicks.
In this systematic review and meta-analysis of rates of child and adolescent visits to emergency departments, the evidence regarding attempted suicide and suicidal ideation indicates some of the adverse effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. Moderator analyses suggested that increases in suicidal ideation or attempt were more conclusive for girls than for boys, and that a conclusive increase in self-harm occurred only for older adolescents (aged around 16–17 years).
In comparison with the reduction in total emergency department visits for any health reason, the findings reported in this study provide strong evidence for relative increases in attempted suicide, self-harm, and suicidal ideation during the COVID-19 pandemic. Commensurate with an accumulation of pandemic stressors,1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9 there were decreases in access to various sources of support shown to prevent mental distress or mitigate its progression to severe outcomes. Together, these factors could have pushed children and adolescents, particularly girls and older adolescents, beyond their vulnerability thresholds.
But yes, he must be lying because that's what you want to believe.
Kids took the brunt of the pandemic response, that is plain to see for everyone. Except, perhaps, the sort of parents who were happy to sacrifice their children for their own perceived safety.
GBS was pretty much one of the first adverse events to be recognised, so it certainly is happening.
Edited by Slagathore on Sunday 2nd April 10:38
My neice who was previously fit as a fiddle pre jabs, has just had her driving license revoked after randomly passing out several times (not while driving thankfully). So that's her screwed as she can’t get to work easily now.
As for the pins and needles thing. I personally know two people who now have that. And another who shakes quite badly every so often as though they're freezing cold. Again, they're perfectly healthy people and have never had issues like this before. My wife also has a close co-worker who has started passing out recently.
All anecdotal of course. Nothing to see here. Nothing to do with the jabs which are safe and effective etc etc.
As for the pins and needles thing. I personally know two people who now have that. And another who shakes quite badly every so often as though they're freezing cold. Again, they're perfectly healthy people and have never had issues like this before. My wife also has a close co-worker who has started passing out recently.
All anecdotal of course. Nothing to see here. Nothing to do with the jabs which are safe and effective etc etc.
O/T, I'm sure, but it appears mRNA injections are to be given to a different herd of animals, with no notification of its use required.
https://twitter.com/RenzTom/status/164222996955525...
https://twitter.com/RenzTom/status/164222996955525...
rodericb said:
It doesn't happen? It does happen: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-pr... and that article was written in June 2021 when 6.5 million doses of Covid-19 "jabs" had been given out with preference to older people, of which the subject of the new article is not. The person didn't know they were going to get GBS, the TGA already had eight cases of GBS which had occurred after people had been administered Astra-Zeneca Covid-19 "jabs".
Vaccines (generally speaking) can cause GBS, which is why GBS was listed as an adverse event of special interest in all of the reactions databases. Something which doesn't happen a lot is not "it doesn't happen". And that's for people who hadn't shown signs of GBS previously - there's also the people with history of GBS who were pressured into having Covid-19 "jabs" or had to suffer the consequences of not having them such as the drummer from the band Green Day.
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/a...
Dont you mean the drummer from Offspring? Vaccines (generally speaking) can cause GBS, which is why GBS was listed as an adverse event of special interest in all of the reactions databases. Something which doesn't happen a lot is not "it doesn't happen". And that's for people who hadn't shown signs of GBS previously - there's also the people with history of GBS who were pressured into having Covid-19 "jabs" or had to suffer the consequences of not having them such as the drummer from the band Green Day.
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/a...
rodericb said:
It doesn't happen? It does happen: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-pr... and that article was written in June 2021 when 6.5 million doses of Covid-19 "jabs" had been given out with preference to older people, of which the subject of the new article is not. The person didn't know they were going to get GBS, the TGA already had eight cases of GBS which had occurred after people had been administered Astra-Zeneca Covid-19 "jabs".
Vaccines (generally speaking) can cause GBS, which is why GBS was listed as an adverse event of special interest in all of the reactions databases. Something which doesn't happen a lot is not "it doesn't happen". And that's for people who hadn't shown signs of GBS previously - there's also the people with history of GBS who were pressured into having Covid-19 "jabs" or had to suffer the consequences of not having them such as the drummer from the band Green Day.
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/a...
Unless i am misunderstanding....Vaccines (generally speaking) can cause GBS, which is why GBS was listed as an adverse event of special interest in all of the reactions databases. Something which doesn't happen a lot is not "it doesn't happen". And that's for people who hadn't shown signs of GBS previously - there's also the people with history of GBS who were pressured into having Covid-19 "jabs" or had to suffer the consequences of not having them such as the drummer from the band Green Day.
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/a...
"we did not find increased risks for GBS after receipt of either mRNA COVID-19 vaccine".
Elysium said:
I understand why those who were sceptical about our response to COVID post here. It is by some distance the most significant world event in our lifetimes and the restrictions we put in place have been the most intrusive in our democratic history. There is still a lot to process, unpack, understand and discuss. Not to mention the gradual shift of public discourse away from an extreme pro-lockdown position towards a more rational balanced one.
What is much less clear is the motivation for the posters who come here only to disrupt and to shout about conspiracy theories. I think the conspiracy theory allegation itself is simple enough. It is an obvious way to insult people without openly breaking forum rules. But the determination of this small group of people goes beyond ‘ordinary’ attempts to wind people up for amusement.
They are clearly angry. They don’t like the fact that alternative viewpoints exist and they want to shut them down. They were probably very happy with the censorship that we saw during the COVID crisis and the deplatforming of experts who dared to have a different opinion. People like Carl Heneghan and the GBD authors for example.
But these experts have come out of this rather well, they are able to talk openly about their ideas which many now realise were actually quite reasonable. Despite that this thread is still afflicted by those who want the debate shut down and for us all to ‘move on’.
My conclusion is that they were so invested in their pro-lockdown worldview and the ‘othering’ of the bad people who did not do as they were told that every time some of the sceptics concerns are proven valid it feels like a direct attack on them. So they fight back. They will do anything to shut down debate rather than face up to what they have done.
Masks was the biggest trigger for a while, now it’s vaccines. But in the last week the WHO have confirmed exactly what many thought from the outset, that COVID vaccines are not actually necessary for the healthy young. It’s been obvious for over a year that boosters have only short term effects and they are no longer going to be offered to working age people in the UK. It’s also obvious that there are vaccine injuries and the proportion and severity of this needs to be investigated properly. The idea that even talking about these things is dangerous no longer flies.
The mass vaccination programme is done. It’s over. There is no risk in talking about the benefit or harms that it may have caused.
But we still get people leaping to the conclusion that a discussion about a relatively common and well understood condition, that is a known side effect of vaccination and has increased during the COVID crisis, is madness and conspiracy theory,
Agree with this 100%. We used to get them in the face covering thread, really properly angry that anyone would dare to say 'hang on a minute, where's a shred of evidence that these things are in any way beneficial?'What is much less clear is the motivation for the posters who come here only to disrupt and to shout about conspiracy theories. I think the conspiracy theory allegation itself is simple enough. It is an obvious way to insult people without openly breaking forum rules. But the determination of this small group of people goes beyond ‘ordinary’ attempts to wind people up for amusement.
They are clearly angry. They don’t like the fact that alternative viewpoints exist and they want to shut them down. They were probably very happy with the censorship that we saw during the COVID crisis and the deplatforming of experts who dared to have a different opinion. People like Carl Heneghan and the GBD authors for example.
But these experts have come out of this rather well, they are able to talk openly about their ideas which many now realise were actually quite reasonable. Despite that this thread is still afflicted by those who want the debate shut down and for us all to ‘move on’.
My conclusion is that they were so invested in their pro-lockdown worldview and the ‘othering’ of the bad people who did not do as they were told that every time some of the sceptics concerns are proven valid it feels like a direct attack on them. So they fight back. They will do anything to shut down debate rather than face up to what they have done.
Masks was the biggest trigger for a while, now it’s vaccines. But in the last week the WHO have confirmed exactly what many thought from the outset, that COVID vaccines are not actually necessary for the healthy young. It’s been obvious for over a year that boosters have only short term effects and they are no longer going to be offered to working age people in the UK. It’s also obvious that there are vaccine injuries and the proportion and severity of this needs to be investigated properly. The idea that even talking about these things is dangerous no longer flies.
The mass vaccination programme is done. It’s over. There is no risk in talking about the benefit or harms that it may have caused.
But we still get people leaping to the conclusion that a discussion about a relatively common and well understood condition, that is a known side effect of vaccination and has increased during the COVID crisis, is madness and conspiracy theory,
Of course now that the face coverings have been thoroughly discredited and it's become abundantly clear that it was never anything but theatre, they're all admitting they were wrong and apologising for all the insults.
No, wait, they all just slunk quietly away...
Ari said:
Agree with this 100%. We used to get them in the face covering thread, really properly angry that anyone would dare to say 'hang on a minute, where's a shred of evidence that these things are in any way beneficial?'
Of course now that the face coverings have been thoroughly discredited and it's become abundantly clear that it was never anything but theatre, they're all admitting they were wrong and apologising for all the insults.
No, wait, they all just slunk quietly away...
The only ones angry are the ones that keep bringing it up and post about how offended they are.Of course now that the face coverings have been thoroughly discredited and it's become abundantly clear that it was never anything but theatre, they're all admitting they were wrong and apologising for all the insults.
No, wait, they all just slunk quietly away...
Grumps. said:
rodericb said:
It doesn't happen? It does happen: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-pr... and that article was written in June 2021 when 6.5 million doses of Covid-19 "jabs" had been given out with preference to older people, of which the subject of the new article is not. The person didn't know they were going to get GBS, the TGA already had eight cases of GBS which had occurred after people had been administered Astra-Zeneca Covid-19 "jabs".
Vaccines (generally speaking) can cause GBS, which is why GBS was listed as an adverse event of special interest in all of the reactions databases. Something which doesn't happen a lot is not "it doesn't happen". And that's for people who hadn't shown signs of GBS previously - there's also the people with history of GBS who were pressured into having Covid-19 "jabs" or had to suffer the consequences of not having them such as the drummer from the band Green Day.
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/a...
Unless i am misunderstanding....Vaccines (generally speaking) can cause GBS, which is why GBS was listed as an adverse event of special interest in all of the reactions databases. Something which doesn't happen a lot is not "it doesn't happen". And that's for people who hadn't shown signs of GBS previously - there's also the people with history of GBS who were pressured into having Covid-19 "jabs" or had to suffer the consequences of not having them such as the drummer from the band Green Day.
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/a...
"we did not find increased risks for GBS after receipt of either mRNA COVID-19 vaccine".
I presume another reason why az was quietly dropped, thing is I can’t believe anything I read anymore, the report could have been sponsored by pfizer, who the f
k knows!Bottom line is some people have had severe reactions to the jabs, and I’d wager many of them were not at significant risk from covid. That’s wrong and needs dealing with, in public, so the hard of understanding get why it’s not ok to just ‘move on’.
Timothy Bucktu said:
My neice who was previously fit as a fiddle pre jabs, has just had her driving license revoked after randomly passing out several times (not while driving thankfully). So that's her screwed as she can’t get to work easily now.
As for the pins and needles thing. I personally know two people who now have that. And another who shakes quite badly every so often as though they're freezing cold. Again, they're perfectly healthy people and have never had issues like this before. My wife also has a close co-worker who has started passing out recently.
All anecdotal of course. Nothing to see here. Nothing to do with the jabs which are safe and effective etc etc.
So has she had tests to understand what the issue is? As for the pins and needles thing. I personally know two people who now have that. And another who shakes quite badly every so often as though they're freezing cold. Again, they're perfectly healthy people and have never had issues like this before. My wife also has a close co-worker who has started passing out recently.
All anecdotal of course. Nothing to see here. Nothing to do with the jabs which are safe and effective etc etc.
M1AGM said:
Bottom line is some people have had severe reactions to the jabs, and I’d wager many of them were not at significant risk from covid. That’s wrong and needs dealing with, in public, so the hard of understanding get why it’s not ok to just ‘move on’.
It's not quite obvious either though. Not at significant risk is certainly true but equally, for most people over 40, it's pretty hard to argue that first exposure via the vaccines was the safer option overall even if the absolute risk at the lower end of that age range was still very minimal. There still isn't any reasonably substantial evidence that isn't the case. For the younger ages, certainly below 30 it's pretty clear it isn't a definite benefit so it's not that if there is an obvious issue, that doesn't become evidenced fairly easily.
Now whether the gain of risk reduction on a population level from inevitable infection later is worth the population level exposure of rare side effects is debatable but it's far from clear that because people were not at significant risk where some did have severe reactions, it's necessarily 'wrong'.
Edited by isaldiri on Sunday 2nd April 20:54
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