CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[isaldiri]

jameswills said:

After they shipped a load of old people to their deaths in care homes packed with end of life drugs and mechanical ventilation, the next wave of excess deaths came straight after the vaccine rollout, and has continued to be high since.

That's my take on the The Data that I have been looking at anyway. Virus? The one you have to test for to know you even have it. Yeah OK, believe that was responsible if you wish, to me it was our response to it that was fully to blame.

Apart from the small matter that there were lots of excess deaths in the spring period of 2020 in homes and hospitals as well as care homes (which aren't in a position to provide mechanical ventilation) so it certainly wasn't just a care home issue as you are saying per above although the actions of the authorities also contributed a decent chunk to all those excess deaths over and above the release of people back into care homes.

And the next wave of excess deaths started by September as covid infections started to pick up again then. But you're only going to be convinced by your take on things or someone who agrees with it so....all a bit pointless and it hardly matters now anyway.

[Rollin]

Ah well, the crackpots have well and truly taken over the thread now...

[jameswills]

isaldiri said:

Apart from the small matter that there were lots of excess deaths in the spring period of 2020 in homes and hospitals as well as care homes (which aren't in a position to provide mechanical ventilation) so it certainly wasn't just a care home issue as you are saying per above although the actions of the authorities also contributed a decent chunk to all those excess deaths over and above the release of people back into care homes.

And the next wave of excess deaths started by September as covid infections started to pick up again then. But you're only going to be convinced by your take on things or someone who agrees with it so....all a bit pointless and it hardly matters now anyway.

Due to bed blocking, hysteria and the frightening of the old and frail. Study in Canada showed that many people died of that age group purely from being scared and isolated. Again the response, not the virus.

Not true, I have the UK data for excess deaths, and yes they started to go up in mid November like they do every winter in the UK, but the sharp rise was late December and January straight after the vaccine rollout. And continued longer than the April 4 week peak of 2020. The excess deaths in 2021 from September to December was higher than 2020 month on month, that's with a vaccinated population. 2022 is higher than 2020 too. This should be done now, we should see an excess death deficit now by a long way if this had anything to do with a virus.

Edit: agree, all pointless. People will still need to cling on to the fact that there was something there that needed to be fought, else their mind would explode at the thought it was all a waste of time and actually did more damage.

(back to the thread title)

Edited by jameswills on Friday 1st September 16:46

[isaldiri]

jameswills said:

isaldiri said:

Apart from the small matter that there were lots of excess deaths in the spring period of 2020 in homes and hospitals as well as care homes (which aren't in a position to provide mechanical ventilation) so it certainly wasn't just a care home issue as you are saying per above although the actions of the authorities also contributed a decent chunk to all those excess deaths over and above the release of people back into care homes.

And the next wave of excess deaths started by September as covid infections started to pick up again then. But you're only going to be convinced by your take on things or someone who agrees with it so....all a bit pointless and it hardly matters now anyway.

Due to bed blocking, hysteria and the frightening of the old and frail. Study in Canada showed that many people died of that age group purely from being scared and isolated. Again the response, not the virus.

Not true, I have the UK data for excess deaths, and yes they started to go up in mid November like they do every winter in the UK, but the sharp rise was late December and January straight after the vaccine rollout. And continued longer than the April 4 week peak of 2020. The excess deaths in 2021 from September to December was higher than 2020 month on month, that's with a vaccinated population. 2022 is higher than 2020 too. This should be done now, we should see an excess death deficit now by a long way if this had anything to do with a virus.

Edit: agree, all pointless. People will still need to cling on to the fact that there was something there that needed to be fought, else their mind would explode at the thought it was all a waste of time and actually did more damage.

Guess what - so do I. Excess deaths were running at high levels from mid-October 2020. The winter 2020/21 peak was around 5-6k per week excess deaths in early Jan 2021. The spring 2020 peak in mid April 2020 was over 11k per week so.... incorrect above again.

And if you're going to point to the vaccines being the primary cause of excess deaths rather than shambles of the health service lurching from crisis to crisis, you might want to point to a reason as to how early 2022 just after the (very large) rollout of extra boosters from Omicron failed to result in a huge increase in excess deaths then.

But..... believe what you will.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

jameswills said:

Very well said. On a similar line I follow Russell Brand, and have done for a while now. I still like his content, delivery and interviews but I cynically still look at him and think he’s just simply found a way of monetising the whole event in a different way. Although there is a bit of hope that just by talking about the “untalkables” he does at a least get “truths” out there.

As for totalitarianism, we are well on course now.

Yeah, it's very difficult. I can see how some people end up thinking everyone is "controlled opposition" of some sort. Ultimately I think that's counter productive (how can you ever know?) and the only way is to judge things on the merits of what is actually said.

There's nothing especially wrong with what Campbell says, it's just superfluous IMO. Anyone paying any attention can see it was rubbish from day 1.

[jameswills]

isaldiri said:

Guess what - so do I. Excess deaths were running at high levels from mid-October 2020. The winter 2020/21 peak was around 5-6k per week excess deaths in early Jan 2021. The spring 2020 peak in mid April 2020 was over 11k per week so.... incorrect above again.

And if you're going to point to the vaccines being the primary cause of excess deaths rather than shambles of the health service lurching from crisis to crisis, you might want to point to a reason as to how early 2022 just after the (very large) rollout of extra boosters from Omicron failed to result in a huge increase in excess deaths then.

But..... believe what you will.

You said September, they were running high, but nothing abnormal going into winter. November saw a spike, but again similar spikes in 2021 as well. The 2020 peak was a spike of 2 weeks, the excess deaths for 2021 was far more drawn out, and also across all ages. 2020 was mainly the old. 15-44 cohort excess deaths has been running high since 2021

I didn’t say vaccines, I said the response. The vaccines I believe was a massive drive to excess deaths in January which is hidden very easily in the way they categorised vaccine status, but no not overall, it was a combination of all the responses, but importantly NOT the virus itself. If we did nothing, we’d never even notice it.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

jameswills said:

If we did nothing, we’d never even notice it.

That's the crux of the matter for me. There was no need for any of it.

That was very obvious by July 2020 when science went out of the window and "covid" became a religion.

[jameswills]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Yeah, it's very difficult. I can see how some people end up thinking everyone is "controlled opposition" of some sort. Ultimately I think that's counter productive (how can you ever know?) and the only way is to judge things on the merits of what is actually said.

There's nothing especially wrong with what Campbell says, it's just superfluous IMO. Anyone paying any attention can see it was rubbish from day 1.

Agreed. It’s just good to see hear a different narrative, it’s comforting there are others that can see through the nonsense. It’s like when I switched from listening to FiveLive daily, and someone told me about TalkRadio, never heard of it.... and I was like, thank God! Someone out there is actually talking reality, they reporting on things I am actually seeing and experiencing. The BBC was making me go mad, nothing they said I was seeing, hearing or experiencing in real life.

[jameswills]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

That's the crux of the matter for me. There was no need for any of it.

That was very obvious by July 2020 when science went out of the window and "covid" became a religion.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Rollin said:

Ah well, the crackpots have well and truly taken over the thread now...

Getting defensive now Campbell's in the soup, eh?

[alangla]

Anyway… back to the upcoming winter.
Anyone want to make some predictions?

I’m going to guess at a higher death rate than last year, but flu being the main contributor rather than Covid. Inevitably some people who made it through the last 3 winters will now be at a stage where pretty much any decent bug will sadly knock them off their perch, some will succumb to Covid inevitably, but I’m going to guess at more being taken by flu. Also going to guess at no compulsory NPIs over & above the usual ad campaign for catch it, bin it, kill it and some ministers advising people to stay at home if they’re under the weather with any winter bug.

[isaldiri]

alangla said:

Anyway… back to the upcoming winter.
Anyone want to make some predictions?

I’m going to guess at a higher death rate than last year, but flu being the main contributor rather than Covid. Inevitably some people who made it through the last 3 winters will now be at a stage where pretty much any decent bug will sadly knock them off their perch, some will succumb to Covid inevitably, but I’m going to guess at more being taken by flu. Also going to guess at no compulsory NPIs over & above the usual ad campaign for catch it, bin it, kill it and some ministers advising people to stay at home if they’re under the weather with any winter bug.

Think it's nearly impossible to make any reasonable guesses about the winter with the current utterly dire state of healthcare. A couple more combined consultant/JD strikes deep into winter would be pretty bloody grim (in immediate impact nevermind knock on effect on waiting lists) but keeling over to meet a 35% pay increase demand for the govt would be economically crippling on the NHS that's already a struggle to fund adequately and would likely trigger immediate pay increase demands elsewhere. And that's assuming we don't get a 'bad' flu winter like 2015/16 or 2017/18.

We'll just have to sit tight and pray it isn't an atrociously cold and generally bad one really...just as we did last year and got away with a relatively mild winter when energy prices didn't end up being too unpleasant...... Hope isn't a strategy but equally it's pretty much all we have.

[nigelpugh7]

So this afternoon I called into my local sainsburys, which is one of the biggest in the midlands.

I guess I was there about 3pm today, it’s normally quiet at that time on a Friday.

But today it was rammed, and I mean queuing to get in and also for a parking slot.

I thought ok, it’s busy because next week is back to school.


But that was not the reason , it was full of pensioners, and I reckon 90 percentage of them had full masks on.

They all had really awkward body language if you walked by them, it just felt strange.

I bought about 10 items to cook a pasta course for tonight’s supper.

I only had a basket so went to the express checkout.

Several couples with full face masks on said you can’t use the express checkout, I said why? Because you don’t have a mask on they said .

I was blown away and said sorry I’m using this express checkout anyway, the look of horror and disgust on their face was amazing.

The next part of my journey you won’t believe !

[r3g]

nigelpugh7 said:

So this afternoon I called into my local sainsburys, which is one of the biggest in the midlands.

I guess I was there about 3pm today, it’s normally quiet at that time on a Friday.

But today it was rammed, and I mean queuing to get in and also for a parking slot.

I thought ok, it’s busy because next week is back to school.


But that was not the reason , it was full of pensioners, and I reckon 90 percentage of them had full masks on.

They all had really awkward body language if you walked by them, it just felt strange.

I bought about 10 items to cook a pasta course for tonight’s supper.

I only had a basket so went to the express checkout.

Several couples with full face masks on said you can’t use the express checkout, I said why? Because you don’t have a mask on they said .

I was blown away and said sorry I’m using this express checkout anyway, the look of horror and disgust on their face was amazing.

The next part of my journey you won’t believe !

Is this a copy and paste post from one of the earlier threads in 2020 ?

[grumbledoak]

alangla said:

Anyway… back to the upcoming winter.
Anyone want to make some predictions?

I won't be surprised to see a push for masking, even if in restricted situations like hospitals and travel. The pharmaceutical companies are not going to give up their new universal vaccine platform, or the apparent acceptance of quick development, minimal testing, and high excess deaths. COVID, Flu, Monkeyfarts, it matters not. They don't care. Fear sells vaccines. And masks create fear.

[nigelpugh7]

r3g said:

Is this a copy and paste post from one of the earlier threads in 2020 ?

My point exactly, it felt just like that from back in 2020, I have to admit I was really uncomfortable, I felt like I was an outsider because I was not wearing a mask too.

The nudge unit fear is already in control, and personally I’m very concerned about where this is going to lead us.

[Randy Winkman]

r3g said:

nigelpugh7 said:

So this afternoon I called into my local sainsburys, which is one of the biggest in the midlands.

I guess I was there about 3pm today, it’s normally quiet at that time on a Friday.

But today it was rammed, and I mean queuing to get in and also for a parking slot.

I thought ok, it’s busy because next week is back to school.


But that was not the reason , it was full of pensioners, and I reckon 90 percentage of them had full masks on.

They all had really awkward body language if you walked by them, it just felt strange.

I bought about 10 items to cook a pasta course for tonight’s supper.

I only had a basket so went to the express checkout.

Several couples with full face masks on said you can’t use the express checkout, I said why? Because you don’t have a mask on they said .

I was blown away and said sorry I’m using this express checkout anyway, the look of horror and disgust on their face was amazing.

The next part of my journey you won’t believe !

Is this a copy and paste post from one of the earlier threads in 2020 ?

I've not seen anyone with a mask on in a supermarket near my home in SE London for a year or so. Or where I work in central London. Perhaps that's just London though.

[nigelpugh7]

Randy Winkman said:

I've not seen anyone with a mask on in a supermarket near my home in SE London for a year or so. Or where I work in central London. Perhaps that's just London though.

I was a bit surprised by the amount of people wearing full masks too as well.

I’ve seen people around our local area, including older couples out on the street wearing masks when they are just outside taking a walk, but they feel the need to wear a full mask, despite being together and clearly living in the same house together too.

Now I don’t know how they live and interact at home, but I am afraid to say I suspect they are masked up when they are at home together on their own as well.

[r3g]

grumbledoak said:

I won't be surprised to see a push for masking, even if in restricted situations like hospitals and travel. The pharmaceutical companies are not going to give up their new universal vaccine platform, or the apparent acceptance of quick development, minimal testing, and high excess deaths. COVID, Flu, Monkeyfarts, it matters not. They don't care. Fear sells vaccines. And masks create fear.

Apparently in response to Alex Jones' claims of having a mate at the TSA who 'knows someone' at the CDC who told him masks were coming back in October... the CDC have issued a formal statement that they have no plans to bring back mask mandates and "it hasn't even been discussed". There was an article on ZH the other day.

Will be interesting to see how long this lasts until they change their mind.

My prediction is as the northern hemisphere heads into winter, all the immunocompromised magic juice recipients will be floored the moment they come within a mile of a bit of bacteria which will lead to the hospitals immediately filling up. Pointless PCR "tests" will be wheeled out and of course everyone with viral matter lodged in their snout will test positive for the Covaids after ratcheting up the amplification dial to a suitable level. That will be the justification they need to plaster the TV with 24/7 coverage of a new highly infectious deadly strain and scary 'case' number graphs, return of the mask mandates and orders to go get injected with the latest flavour of magic juice. Will they go as far as the social distancing BS and lockdowns again ? ? ? Not sure, but I think the mask mandates returning are likely.

Edited by r3g on Friday 1st September 20:29

[nigelpugh7]

So part two to my sainsburys shopping experience this afternoon.

I was pretty shocked to see so many people in the store with full masks on, most were elderly couples, perhaps 65 and over, but a lot of them were younger and on their own too, can’t judge their age, but probably about my age, so 55-60.

At the express checkout I stopped and asked a couple why they both had a full mask on, they were quite amazed I didn’t have a mask on.

So I had to ask them why they both had a mask on, they both said haven’t you seen the news about how serious the new covid strain is, We’ve all seen it in rhe news, and we have been told to get a new booster but also not go outdoors from next week.

I said really why? It’s the new strain they said, we should all stay as home until the brand new vaccine is available.

We also discussed what they had bought, it was lots of canned food with a long shelf life, and get this huge catering packs of toilet paper too.


Sound familiar to 2020?