CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
V88Dicky said:
Also aligns to what we’ve seen at my place of work.
23 out of 24 cases of the dreaded Omicron were in the double / triple jabbed, and several of these were absolutely wiped out for a week or more. This was between Christmas 2021 and sometime in March, after which it appears the bosses got bored and stopped giving a f
k 
Out of interest, were those suffering the most pretty fat? 23 out of 24 cases of the dreaded Omicron were in the double / triple jabbed, and several of these were absolutely wiped out for a week or more. This was between Christmas 2021 and sometime in March, after which it appears the bosses got bored and stopped giving a f
k BlackWidow13 said:
Dear addicts addicted to this thread,
North Korea is having some problems. Problems of the March 2020 vintage. You guys have your alternate reality fully constructed and must be itching to try it out.
How about you all jump on a plane to NK and present your ideas to the Great Tubby Leader. You could take this thread as “evidence” that they will work.
Yes, that’s right, you’re just a plane flight away from total and utter vindication!
Oh, wait. A plane flight? Oh, that’s going to me a bit of an issue…
What sort of mental gymnastics do you do when you see the superb efficacy of the Chinese lockdowns?North Korea is having some problems. Problems of the March 2020 vintage. You guys have your alternate reality fully constructed and must be itching to try it out.
How about you all jump on a plane to NK and present your ideas to the Great Tubby Leader. You could take this thread as “evidence” that they will work.
Yes, that’s right, you’re just a plane flight away from total and utter vindication!
Oh, wait. A plane flight? Oh, that’s going to me a bit of an issue…
And for the other lockdown w
kers this is an example of the cheap n fast “hospitals” they built.Harrison Bergeron said:
BlackWidow13 said:
Dear addicts addicted to this thread,
North Korea is having some problems. Problems of the March 2020 vintage. You guys have your alternate reality fully constructed and must be itching to try it out.
How about you all jump on a plane to NK and present your ideas to the Great Tubby Leader. You could take this thread as “evidence” that they will work.
Yes, that’s right, you’re just a plane flight away from total and utter vindication!
Oh, wait. A plane flight? Oh, that’s going to me a bit of an issue…
What sort of mental gymnastics do you do when you see the superb efficacy of the Chinese lockdowns?North Korea is having some problems. Problems of the March 2020 vintage. You guys have your alternate reality fully constructed and must be itching to try it out.
How about you all jump on a plane to NK and present your ideas to the Great Tubby Leader. You could take this thread as “evidence” that they will work.
Yes, that’s right, you’re just a plane flight away from total and utter vindication!
Oh, wait. A plane flight? Oh, that’s going to me a bit of an issue…
And for the other lockdown w
kers this is an example of the cheap n fast “hospitals” they built.Harrison Bergeron said:
What sort of mental gymnastics do you do when you see the superb efficacy of the Chinese lockdowns?
And for the other lockdown wkers this is an example of the cheap n fast “hospitals” they built.
cheap and fast locations of internment, they were to get them out of the population.... they were never proper hospitals but designed for one task only...And for the other lockdown w
kers this is an example of the cheap n fast “hospitals” they built.but hey we can all go comma hospital comma like this great over empasis of it was nothing to worry about, that it was just the flu...
yup... but the flu doesnt infect as many in such a short time and over whelm the hospitals.
was talking to an associate last week who was part of a bank's business continuity business plan and what he was recounting on was the imminent run up from the initial infections and they were indeed genuinely terrified.
a lot of business research and advice from different avenues of the decison making process had them in knots.
It was grim. And they were thinking on the worst. they fact that we saw them build concentration camps reinfored that, as that is all these places were, to get the diseased out of society and into a location where they could be 'made comfortable' not pleasant at all but its the only way they saw of managing it.
Imagine for a bit if there had been no vaccination, if we had not been able to contain it. what it would have been like.
Rufus Stone said:
johnboy1975 said:
Stats say she'd have been good either way (41, F, average / below average weight).
Yes, she did reduce her hospitalisation odds from very low to very very low. Which Is something worth celebrating I suppose
The vaccination reduces the severity of symptoms for the vast majority that have received it. I didn't think that was in doubt.Yes, she did reduce her hospitalisation odds from very low to very very low. Which Is something worth celebrating I suppose
That the vaccine makes a mild infection super mild?
It appears to lower your risk of hospitalisation and death.
As vaccination doesn't seem to reduce spread (*after a certain period, 6 months being very charitable), it follows it isn't really reducing symptoms.
All the evidence seems to be that the vaccine is mainly of use to the old, vunerable and obese.
Latest ONS figures broken down by John Campbell. Less likely to be infected if you have contact with hospitals, kids or come from a deprived background. Which backs up "natural protection immunity" as these groups are the most likely to have a previous infection.
ruggedscotty said:
cheap and fast locations of internment, they were to get them out of the population.... they were never proper hospitals but designed for one task only...
but hey we can all go comma hospital comma like this great over empasis of it was nothing to worry about, that it was just the flu...
yup... but the flu doesnt infect as many in such a short time and over whelm the hospitals.
was talking to an associate last week who was part of a bank's business continuity business plan and what he was recounting on was the imminent run up from the initial infections and they were indeed genuinely terrified.
a lot of business research and advice from different avenues of the decison making process had them in knots.
It was grim. And they were thinking on the worst. they fact that we saw them build concentration camps reinfored that, as that is all these places were, to get the diseased out of society and into a location where they could be 'made comfortable' not pleasant at all but its the only way they saw of managing it.
Imagine for a bit if there had been no vaccination, if we had not been able to contain it. what it would have been like.
I think you’ve been living in an alternate Universe. but hey we can all go comma hospital comma like this great over empasis of it was nothing to worry about, that it was just the flu...
yup... but the flu doesnt infect as many in such a short time and over whelm the hospitals.
was talking to an associate last week who was part of a bank's business continuity business plan and what he was recounting on was the imminent run up from the initial infections and they were indeed genuinely terrified.
a lot of business research and advice from different avenues of the decison making process had them in knots.
It was grim. And they were thinking on the worst. they fact that we saw them build concentration camps reinfored that, as that is all these places were, to get the diseased out of society and into a location where they could be 'made comfortable' not pleasant at all but its the only way they saw of managing it.
Imagine for a bit if there had been no vaccination, if we had not been able to contain it. what it would have been like.
V88Dicky said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
V88Dicky said:
Also aligns to what we’ve seen at my place of work.
23 out of 24 cases of the dreaded Omicron were in the double / triple jabbed, and several of these were absolutely wiped out for a week or more. This was between Christmas 2021 and sometime in March, after which it appears the bosses got bored and stopped giving a fk
Out of interest, were those suffering the most pretty fat? 23 out of 24 cases of the dreaded Omicron were in the double / triple jabbed, and several of these were absolutely wiped out for a week or more. This was between Christmas 2021 and sometime in March, after which it appears the bosses got bored and stopped giving a f
k So glad I didn’t have the jab, it sounds like my experience of covid could have been much worse
johnboy1975 said:
Rufus Stone said:
johnboy1975 said:
Stats say she'd have been good either way (41, F, average / below average weight).
Yes, she did reduce her hospitalisation odds from very low to very very low. Which Is something worth celebrating I suppose
The vaccination reduces the severity of symptoms for the vast majority that have received it. I didn't think that was in doubt.Yes, she did reduce her hospitalisation odds from very low to very very low. Which Is something worth celebrating I suppose
That the vaccine makes a mild infection super mild?
It appears to lower your risk of hospitalisation and death.
As vaccination doesn't seem to reduce spread (*after a certain period, 6 months being very charitable), it follows it isn't really reducing symptoms.
All the evidence seems to be that the vaccine is mainly of use to the old, vunerable and obese.
Latest ONS figures broken down by John Campbell. Less likely to be infected if you have contact with hospitals, kids or come from a deprived background. Which backs up "natural protection immunity" as these groups are the most likely to have a previous infection.
johnboy1975 said:
Just to go back to this, is there any such evidence?
That the vaccine makes a mild infection super mild?
It appears to lower your risk of hospitalisation and death.
As vaccination doesn't seem to reduce spread (*after a certain period, 6 months being very charitable), it follows it isn't really reducing symptoms.
All the evidence seems to be that the vaccine is mainly of use to the old, vunerable and obese.
Latest ONS figures broken down by John Campbell. Less likely to be infected if you have contact with hospitals, kids or come from a deprived background. Which backs up "natural protection immunity" as these groups are the most likely to have a previous infection.
Ah, the great doctor not doctor.That the vaccine makes a mild infection super mild?
It appears to lower your risk of hospitalisation and death.
As vaccination doesn't seem to reduce spread (*after a certain period, 6 months being very charitable), it follows it isn't really reducing symptoms.
All the evidence seems to be that the vaccine is mainly of use to the old, vunerable and obese.
Latest ONS figures broken down by John Campbell. Less likely to be infected if you have contact with hospitals, kids or come from a deprived background. Which backs up "natural protection immunity" as these groups are the most likely to have a previous infection.
Not sure where the natural protection argument comes into the picture when the discussion related to Jacinda Ardern who, as far as I am aware, has not previously contracted covid.
Land Registry still milking Covid for all it's worth. Email response below:
"Dear Customer
Thank you for your enquiry and apologies on behalf of HM Land Registry for any error we may have made. Due to the current COVID-19 situation it will take longer than usual to make an amendment to the register or title plan. Please be assured that we have entered your request on the day list and, if necessary, any changes will be made as soon as we are able. We will reply further when we are able to and supply you with an updated copy of the register/title plan, if they are amended. For further information please see COVID-19 Impact on our services."
Shameful.
"Dear Customer
Thank you for your enquiry and apologies on behalf of HM Land Registry for any error we may have made. Due to the current COVID-19 situation it will take longer than usual to make an amendment to the register or title plan. Please be assured that we have entered your request on the day list and, if necessary, any changes will be made as soon as we are able. We will reply further when we are able to and supply you with an updated copy of the register/title plan, if they are amended. For further information please see COVID-19 Impact on our services."
Shameful.
Ah yes, the dreaded Land Registry. I work on construction & deal with architects, conveyancers, estate agents & so on. It is taking months for Land Registry to register anything, which I understand can cause issues with mortgages. Then there's the planning department: utterly unfit for purpose. They're taking over 2 months just to register an application 'cos covid'. What is it with the public sector? It's almost as if they don't really want to be there.....
Biker 1 said:
Ah yes, the dreaded Land Registry. I work on construction & deal with architects, conveyancers, estate agents & so on. It is taking months for Land Registry to register anything, which I understand can cause issues with mortgages. Then there's the planning department: utterly unfit for purpose. They're taking over 2 months just to register an application 'cos covid'. What is it with the public sector? It's almost as if they don't really want to be there.....
I suspect they are on full pay regardless of how much work they do, which is clearly not much these days.I have land registry title updates outstanding over 12 months!
BlackWidow13 said:
Dear addicts addicted to this thread,
North Korea is having some problems. Problems of the March 2020 vintage. You guys have your alternate reality fully constructed and must be itching to try it out.
How about you all jump on a plane to NK and present your ideas to the Great Tubby Leader. You could take this thread as “evidence” that they will work.
Yes, that’s right, you’re just a plane flight away from total and utter vindication!
Oh, wait. A plane flight? Oh, that’s going to me a bit of an issue…
Yes yes...very good.North Korea is having some problems. Problems of the March 2020 vintage. You guys have your alternate reality fully constructed and must be itching to try it out.
How about you all jump on a plane to NK and present your ideas to the Great Tubby Leader. You could take this thread as “evidence” that they will work.
Yes, that’s right, you’re just a plane flight away from total and utter vindication!
Oh, wait. A plane flight? Oh, that’s going to me a bit of an issue…
What you have to remember is that NK is not like the rest of the world. It's like going back 100 years. Malnutrition, poor sanitation, 'hospitals' without running water etc etc.
Yes, they're screwed. Jabbing may help their elderly and vulnerable (not many dispute that)...but they're screwed as we all knew they would be once it got in. Saying that, hopefully it's the Omicron variant which we all know is a lot milder than Delta.
The dear leaders are wearing masks now though. So they at least are protected.
Rufus Stone said:
Ah, the great doctor not doctor.
Not sure where the natural protection argument comes into the picture when the discussion related to Jacinda Ardern who, as far as I am aware, has not previously contracted covid.
Sorry, I wasn't implying that Jacinda had caught covid previously. If anything, I was implying that she wouldn't have caught covid this time if she had. Or at least, her risk would be reduced.Not sure where the natural protection argument comes into the picture when the discussion related to Jacinda Ardern who, as far as I am aware, has not previously contracted covid.
It's ONS data btw, not something "the great doctor not doctor" has cobbled together.
Although he does gloss over some of the points, namely that the vaccinated seem to be at lower risk too, which if we are talking historic (ie 2021) vaccinations could do with a bit of explaining. Everyone I know who has been vaccinated has caught it once or twice (apart from my parents, although my Dad had a very questionable cough last August but kept testing negative), which further leads to confusion between which aspect is doing the heavy lifting.
I wonder if they are only looking at the recently boosted, who, along with having some effacy left in their vaccination, are more likely to be sheilding and limiting contact?
Full post from the ONS here
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
Found this doozy in there too
said:
people who reported regularly using lateral flow tests continued to be more likely to test positive compared with those who did not; this is likely related to those at a higher risk of infection being encouraged to take regular lateral flow tests
Er, no st Sherlock??Rufus Stone said:
Land Registry still milking Covid for all it's worth. Email response below:
"Dear Customer
Thank you for your enquiry and apologies on behalf of HM Land Registry for any error we may have made. Due to the current COVID-19 situation it will take longer than usual to make an amendment to the register or title plan. Please be assured that we have entered your request on the day list and, if necessary, any changes will be made as soon as we are able. We will reply further when we are able to and supply you with an updated copy of the register/title plan, if they are amended. For further information please see COVID-19 Impact on our services."
Shameful.
Just hope you don’t have to deal with the DVLA. My friend is currently unemployed because there was something to do with his HGV licence that the DVLA failed to sort in 4 months (and counting) "Dear Customer
Thank you for your enquiry and apologies on behalf of HM Land Registry for any error we may have made. Due to the current COVID-19 situation it will take longer than usual to make an amendment to the register or title plan. Please be assured that we have entered your request on the day list and, if necessary, any changes will be made as soon as we are able. We will reply further when we are able to and supply you with an updated copy of the register/title plan, if they are amended. For further information please see COVID-19 Impact on our services."
Shameful.
he tries calling daily and is waiting anything from an hour to three hours to get through, to only then be put on hold while he is transferred 
While the Pfizer data gets dripped out and analysed, so does the excess deaths data.
US excess mortality (actuarial) -
https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...
Canada -
https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...
There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.
US excess mortality (actuarial) -
https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...
Canada -
https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...
There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.
grumbledoak said:
While the Pfizer data gets dripped out and analysed, so does the excess deaths data.
US excess mortality (actuarial) -
https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...
Canada -
https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...
There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.
Must be climate change and shaking the bedsheets. US excess mortality (actuarial) -
https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...
Canada -
https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...
There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.
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