CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[Donbot]

grumbledoak said:

While the Pfizer data gets dripped out and analysed, so does the excess deaths data.

US excess mortality (actuarial) -

https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...


Canada -

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...

There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.

It was trending down the age bands after the first wave hit didn't it? Which is why there was only supposed to be a short lockdown to flatten the curve

[Roderick Spode]

grumbledoak said:

While the Pfizer data gets dripped out and analysed, so does the excess deaths data.

US excess mortality (actuarial) -

https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...


Canada -

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...

There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.

Interesting figures. I'm sure the No Biggie brigade will be along shortly to refute these figures as conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theory + 6 months = Reality.

[Rufus Stone]

grumbledoak said:

While the Pfizer data gets dripped out and analysed, so does the excess deaths data.

US excess mortality (actuarial) -

https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...


Canada -

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...

There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.

And you are blaming the vaccine for that?

Is there any proposed explanation for the difference between US and Canada?

[tangerine_sedge]

Rufus Stone said:

And you are blaming the vaccine for that?

Is there any proposed explanation for the difference between US and Canada?

But, it's only a cold that impacts the very old.... /sarcasm

[johnboy1975]

tangerine_sedge said:

Rufus Stone said:

And you are blaming the vaccine for that?

Is there any proposed explanation for the difference between US and Canada?

But, it's only a cold that impacts the very old.... /sarcasm

Are you saying the 217% increase in the US ages 35-44, is due to (largely) vaccinated 35-44 year olds catching covid and dying in huge numbers? Does that make you an anti vaxxer? Not sure how many US deaths in that cohort were attributed to covid

And to be fair, I doubt it's come from vaccine adverse affects (to that extent).

Did they withdraw healthcare like we did? As said above, it was only meant to be s short intervention. Wheras the NHS is still going strong some 2 years plus later (testing, masks, reduced capacity)

Although saying that, few 35-44 die (generally) - so can we put some numbers on those scary percentages? It could be 100 normally, and in 2021 q3 the normal 100, plus 100 extra due to cancer - plus 5 antivaxxers

[grumbledoak]

johnboy1975 said:

Although saying that, few 35-44 die (generally) - so can we put some numbers on those scary percentages? It could be 100 normally, and in 2021 q3 the normal 100, plus 100 extra due to cancer - plus 5 antivaxxers

No absolute numbers in that source. They're all like that, percentages or "age standardized", it is very frustrating.

For scale (no breakdown) the US had about half a million excess deaths total in 2021 -
https://usafacts.org/articles/covid-excess-deaths-...

[johnboy1975]

The number of officials working in the Department of Health and NHS England has more than doubled in two years, with even sharper rises seen at the most senior levels. Meanwhile the number of nurses rose by just seven per cent.

https://t.co/haCLwSkm5i

Maybe they can work on reducing these numbers before asking for extra cash?

[Harrison Bergeron]

jameswills said:

I think you’ve been living in an alternate Universe.

Rod Serling said:

Imagine , if you will a virus that shuts down the entire world, that requires masking and forced vaccination. A virus so dangerous that only the lucky 99.998% survive.

You are now entering the covid zone

[Rufus Stone]

Harrison Bergeron said:

jameswills said:

I think you’ve been living in an alternate Universe.

Rod Serling said:

Imagine , if you will a virus that shuts down the entire world, that requires masking and forced vaccination. A virus so dangerous that only the lucky 99.998% survive.

You are now entering the covid zone

Who is Rod Serling?

Which countries have forced vaccination on people?

The 0.002 IFR is bks.

[Boringvolvodriver]

Rufus Stone said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

jameswills said:

I think you’ve been living in an alternate Universe.

Rod Serling said:

Imagine , if you will a virus that shuts down the entire world, that requires masking and forced vaccination. A virus so dangerous that only the lucky 99.998% survive.

You are now entering the covid zone

Who is Rod Serling?

Which countries have forced vaccination on people?

The 0.002 IFR is bks.

Where did he say that they IFR was 0.002%? I agree that the IFR is higher because not everybody has caught this highly infectious and deadly virus yet.

The point is that the virus is nowhere near as deadly as we were perhaps led to believe at the outset from the scary Chinese videos. What was it it Whitty said right at the start.

Again, whilst no country has forced vaccination on people, the coercion has been pretty strong wouldn’t you agree with some countries making rules(before then retracting them) that would have made it pretty difficult to live a normal life without vaccination or financial disincentives.

Austria Italy and Canada spring to mind

[superlightr]

Boringvolvodriver said:

Where did he say that they IFR was 0.002%? I agree that the IFR is higher because not everybody has caught this highly infectious and deadly virus yet.

The point is that the virus is nowhere near as deadly as we were perhaps led to believe at the outset from the scary Chinese videos. What was it it Whitty said right at the start.

Again, whilst no country has forced vaccination on people, the coercion has been pretty strong wouldn’t you agree with some countries making rules(before then retracting them) that would have made it pretty difficult to live a normal life without vaccination or financial disincentives.

Austria Italy and Canada spring to mind

Dont forget the UK - mandatory covid jab policy for health care workers and restrictions on liberty. We were pretty close to being as bad as the worst and would have been with the faster, longer harder or zero covid nuts.

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

USA and Australia continue to force the injections on medical staff too. No surprise that the Australian health system is in a crisis of their own making

[GSE]

superlightr said:

Dont forget the UK - mandatory covid jab policy for health care workers and restrictions on liberty. We were pretty close to being as bad as the worst and would have been with the faster, longer harder or zero covid nuts.

This 100%. We were pretty close, helped along by the "it's no biggie / just pop a mask on / just have the injection" lot that can't see past the end of their nose. It must never happen again.

Edited by GSE on Tuesday 17th May 11:23

[vixen1700]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

USA and Australia continue to force the injections on medical staff too. No surprise that the Australian health system is in a crisis of their own making

Highest vaccination rates, harshest restrictions and now highest infection rates.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GalGlassy/status/152613...

[Brave Fart]

GSE said:

superlightr said:

Dont forget the UK - mandatory covid jab policy for health care workers and restrictions on liberty. We were pretty close to being as bad as the worst and would have been with the faster, longer harder or zero covid nuts.

This 100%. We were pretty close, helped along by the "it's no biggie / just pop a mask on / just have the injection" lot that can't see past the end of their nose. It must never happen again.

Amen to that, brother. However, I fear that our society still harbours some toxic ingredients. Including, but not limited to: politicians who cheerfully ignore civil liberties, complicit media (especially the BBC), over zealous local authorities/NHS and police who overstep guidelines and pretend they are laws.

But worse, much worse than all of these are swathes of ordinary citizens who accept all the nonsense without question. "Come on, it's no hardship to wear a mask" they say. "If the government follow The Science then that's good enough for me; I'll do as I'm told", and of course the classic "The more we all follow The Rules, the sooner this will be over."

While I agree that mask mandates, business closures and the like are futile and should not be repeated, I suspect that all the ingredients are there for society to repeat the same mistakes all over again in future. I hope I'm wrong and we've learned; time, as ever, will tell.

[vixen1700]

Brave Fart said:

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While I agree that mask mandates, business closures and the like are futile and should not be repeated, I suspect that all the ingredients are there for society to repeat the same mistakes all over again in future. I hope I'm wrong and we've learned; time, as ever, will tell.

[tinfoil]We may find out this coming Winter if we do it all again, if Australia just entering their Winter is anything to go by[/tinfoil]

[Brave Fart]

vixen1700 said:

Brave Fart said:

<snip>..

While I agree that mask mandates, business closures and the like are futile and should not be repeated, I suspect that all the ingredients are there for society to repeat the same mistakes all over again in future. I hope I'm wrong and we've learned; time, as ever, will tell.

[tinfoil]We may find out this coming Winter if we do it all again, if Australia just entering their Winter is anything to go by[/tinfoil]

Agreed, it's a possibility. I was envisaging more like five or ten years from now, but you're right that a return of the nonsense may be closer than that [shudder].

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

vixen1700 said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

USA and Australia continue to force the injections on medical staff too. No surprise that the Australian health system is in a crisis of their own making

Highest vaccination rates, harshest restrictions and now highest infection rates.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GalGlassy/status/152613...

Does make me wonder, especially with the high numbers of heart attacks and strokes they’re seeing too.

[Roderick Spode]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

vixen1700 said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

USA and Australia continue to force the injections on medical staff too. No surprise that the Australian health system is in a crisis of their own making

Highest vaccination rates, harshest restrictions and now highest infection rates.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GalGlassy/status/152613...

Does make me wonder, especially with the high numbers of heart attacks and strokes they’re seeing too.

Because Covid. No biggie. Take the jabs.

I do wonder what it will take for the wider populace to begin to question the received narrative as promoted by the media - vaccines entirely safe, they merely report the next round of boosters like a government bulletin board. Little to no mention of adverse effects, certainly no scrutiny of studies undertaken that return uncomfortable results, just continued reminders to have your shots like a responsible little citizen. The main social media channels have stifled any discussions regarding reported side effects, hence why people have to set themselves up on platforms like Gettr, Substack, etc. Then the hard of thinking label them as 'grifters' for daring to question the received orthodoxy. Perhaps at some point the house of cards will come tumbling down, but I won't be holding my breath.

[tangerine_sedge]

johnboy1975 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Rufus Stone said:

And you are blaming the vaccine for that?

Is there any proposed explanation for the difference between US and Canada?

But, it's only a cold that impacts the very old.... /sarcasm

Are you saying the 217% increase in the US ages 35-44, is due to (largely) vaccinated 35-44 year olds catching covid and dying in huge numbers? Does that make you an anti vaxxer? Not sure how many US deaths in that cohort were attributed to covid

And to be fair, I doubt it's come from vaccine adverse affects (to that extent).

Did they withdraw healthcare like we did? As said above, it was only meant to be s short intervention. Wheras the NHS is still going strong some 2 years plus later (testing, masks, reduced capacity)

Although saying that, few 35-44 die (generally) - so can we put some numbers on those scary percentages? It could be 100 normally, and in 2021 q3 the normal 100, plus 100 extra due to cancer - plus 5 antivaxxers

Why do you think they died? After all, it's 'only a cold'. As is often claimed on here - it only affects old people, yet the data shows differently.

[url=https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/]According to this data{/url] ~55% of all US citizens had received a single jab by Sept '21, so plenty of people totally unjabbed, and likely significant numbers of younger people as echoed in the 'scary' death percentages.