CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[Boringvolvodriver]

Brave Fart said:

vixen1700 said:

Brave Fart said:

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While I agree that mask mandates, business closures and the like are futile and should not be repeated, I suspect that all the ingredients are there for society to repeat the same mistakes all over again in future. I hope I'm wrong and we've learned; time, as ever, will tell.

[tinfoil]We may find out this coming Winter if we do it all again, if Australia just entering their Winter is anything to go by[/tinfoil]

Agreed, it's a possibility. I was envisaging more like five or ten years from now, but you're right that a return of the nonsense may be closer than that [shudder].

I agree with what has been said by you both and others.

I am not holding my breath for a winter without some level of silliness- there are too many people out there who will not question the narrative and believe all that the government aided and abetted by the media come up with.

“It’s no bigee” is the one that pees me off no end and those who say that the restrictions were no hardship. The mind boggles

[tannhauser]

Rufus Stone said:

grumbledoak said:

While the Pfizer data gets dripped out and analysed, so does the excess deaths data.

US excess mortality (actuarial) -

https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...


Canada -

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...

There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.

And you are blaming the vaccine for that?

Is there any proposed explanation for the difference between US and Canada?

Well what else is it likely to be?

[johnboy1975]

tangerine_sedge said:

Why do you think they died? After all, it's 'only a cold'. As is often claimed on here - it only affects old people, yet the data shows differently.

[url=https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/]According to this data{/url] ~55% of all US citizens had received a single jab by Sept '21, so plenty of people totally unjabbed, and likely significant numbers of younger people as echoed in the 'scary' death percentages.

Overwhelmingly not of covid

This is just 1 week in the UK, prior to vaccines (in that age group), and splits out covid and non covid




Source: ONS, Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional: week ending 3 April 2020 / ONS, Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional: 2015-2019

To suggest that an excess death rate of 217% in the US of 29-44 year olds in Q3 2021 is due to covid is (respectfully) for the birds.

And for the vast majority of that cohort it is indeed just a cold. Although Americans are on the large side, that might come into play and render UK stats meaningless

As said, my money's on withdrawal of healthcare / lack of cancer (very much "not just a cold" - at any age) screening. Rather than vaccine damage

I'm sure I've seen a complete UK breakdown by age for the 150k or so who died of or with covid, but sadly my Google skills are letting me down. Wasn't it a hundred or so healthy u40 yo died from covid?

Edited by johnboy1975 on Tuesday 17th May 14:55

[Rufus Stone]

tannhauser said:

Well what else is it likely to be?

A couple of natural disasters, a few mass shootings, who knows!

If it's the vaccine why hasn't it affected all ages that have received them and why not all other countries that have administered the same vaccines?

[Roderick Spode]

Rufus Stone said:

A couple of natural disasters, a few mass shootings...

Have there been widely reported instances of these to account for the additional deaths in those age groups?

[cliffe_mafia]

tannhauser said:

Rufus Stone said:

grumbledoak said:

While the Pfizer data gets dripped out and analysed, so does the excess deaths data.

US excess mortality (actuarial) -

https://www.soa.org/48ff80/globalassets/assets/fil...


Canada -

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1526005...

There might be some explaining to do. Or maybe a bigger rug will be supplied. I suspect research grants into this will be thin on the ground.

And you are blaming the vaccine for that?

Is there any proposed explanation for the difference between US and Canada?

Well what else is it likely to be?

Maybe something to do with this?

https://twitter.com/JesslovesMJK/status/1526260643...

[tangerine_sedge]

johnboy1975 said:

As said, my money's on withdrawal of healthcare / lack of cancer (very much "not just a cold" - at any age) screening. Rather than vaccine damage

So basically anything but Covid. A kind of inverse Occams razor?

How do you explain the difference in excess deaths between Canada and the US, as they both had restricted access to healthcare (same as the UK)?

[johnboy1975]

Rufus, you'll like this one



Stated explanation is vaccinated kids more likely to have severe comorbidities, and higher vaccine take up in vunerable kids. Which doesn't exactly rule out the vaccine aggrevating their comorbidities (to me).

But I can well believe that vunerable kids have a higher chance of death than healthy ones.

No one else seems to be stting bricks about it, and ONS have issued a statement / update saying overall deaths and cardiac incidents are no higher in the vaccinated group than the unvaccinated in 12-29's. (Which I sadly can't find now )

Maybe they've split out the effects shown above in some way, because as per the graph, there should clearly be some discrepancy between the two groups

[johnboy1975]

tangerine_sedge said:

johnboy1975 said:

As said, my money's on withdrawal of healthcare / lack of cancer (very much "not just a cold" - at any age) screening. Rather than vaccine damage

So basically anything but Covid. A kind of inverse Occams razor?

How do you explain the difference in excess deaths between Canada and the US, as they both had restricted access to healthcare (same as the UK)?

I owe you an apology, looks like it took (eyeballing) roughly 14k in that cohort in 2021.

From grumbleoaks link:



Which sounds like a hell of a lot to me (compared to the UK, and taking into account the population is roughly 5* bigger) but there you go. Depending on where there peak was, shall we say 3k covid deaths for q3? As that group is unlikely to die full stop, I can easily imagine covid causing 217% excess deaths in q3

Edit, although it doesn't really explain the sudden jump in excess deaths, assuming Q3 is summer going into autumn. Nor the difference between US and Canada

Edit2. I'm 46. Maybe I need to say the line.....

"I recovered from a covid infection in August 2021. Thanks to the vaccine I only had mild symptoms"

Edited by johnboy1975 on Tuesday 17th May 16:08

[Harrison Bergeron]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Does make me wonder, especially with the high numbers of heart attacks and strokes they’re seeing too.

Global warming innit

[vixen1700]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Does make me wonder, especially with the high numbers of heart attacks and strokes they’re seeing too.

Is this still a thing?

Mentioned heart attacks and strokes to my jab evangelist paramedic mate back in November and he hung up on me then sent me a text saying "I was spreading misinformation that could cost lives" Oh and the fact he was triple Pfizer jabbed.

Very odd call and haven't spoken to him since.

[tannhauser]

vixen1700 said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Does make me wonder, especially with the high numbers of heart attacks and strokes they’re seeing too.

Is this still a thing?

Mentioned heart attacks and strokes to my jab evangelist paramedic mate back in November and he hung up on me then sent me a text saying "I was spreading misinformation that could cost lives" Oh and the fact he was triple Pfizer jabbed.

Very odd call and haven't spoken to him since.

He’s possibly dead.

[nick30]

Harrison Bergeron said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Does make me wonder, especially with the high numbers of heart attacks and strokes they’re seeing too.

Global warming innit

My mum always taught me it’s all about the atmosphere it’s the answer to everything. (Atmosphere has morphed into climate!) My dad argued however it’s 42.


Time for a Bob methinks.. who do we love?

[CarCrazyDad]

Ahhh. I'm now able to post again thanks to PHs new 1 years rule to post in News Forum.

I see the usual arguments are still going on.

For me it's been virtually completely normal. Heading to Germany next week with my Son for our late 60th / 30th.

Can't wait.

[jameswills]

Welcome back.

This WHO treaty is a bit worrying, surely we as a Nation won’t go anywhere near something as bonkers as that?

[Boringvolvodriver]

jameswills said:

Welcome back.

This WHO treaty is a bit worrying, surely we as a Nation won’t go anywhere near something as bonkers as that?

I wouldn’t be so sure - I mean who would have thought that we would have had the rules in place restricting who we could have in our own home in 2019?

IIRC a fair few countries have said they will sign up to it and once a few start, the rest will follow?

[carinaman]

I can't be the only person wondering if this was just a dry run, a rehearsal just like Allegra Stratton's No. 10 Parties Press Conference rehearsal in the then new Press Conference room at No. 10, that also acts as a justification for the World Health Organisation locking down the world and everyone in it because some 'novel' infection may meet their watered down definition of what now constitutes a pandemic?

It would've also served as a 'Dog at ate my homework' excuse for an economy that was already shaky before the pandemic.

So we've done Brexit to take control back from the EU but are about to sign a Treaty with the World Health Organisation that ties us into some sort of game of Simon, or Bill Gates, Says?

[Boringvolvodriver]

carinaman said:

I can't be the only person wondering if this was just a dry run, a rehearsal just like Allegra Stratton's No. 10 Parties Press Conference rehearsal in the then new Press Conference room at No. 10, that also acts as a justification for the World Health Organisation locking down the world and everyone in it because some 'novel' infection may meet their watered down definition of what now constitutes a pandemic?

It would've also served as a 'Dog at ate my homework' excuse for an economy that was already shaky before the pandemic.

So we've done Brexit to take control back from the EU but are about to sign a Treaty with the World Health Organisation that ties us into some sort of game of Simon, or Bill Gates, Says?

Careful there - you will trigger both the Brexit believers and the conspiracy theory believers with comments like that!! -

FWIW my view is that the WHO treaty is a potential concern especially since we would giving part of our control away to an unelected body

[grumbledoak]

carinaman said:

I can't be the only person wondering if this was just a dry run, a rehearsal just like Allegra Stratton's No. 10 Parties Press Conference rehearsal in the then new Press Conference room at No. 10, that also acts as a justification for the World Health Organisation locking down the world and everyone in it because some 'novel' infection may meet their watered down definition of what now constitutes a pandemic?

I think of it more like another battle in a long war. The UN wants to be the world government. "Public Health" is one of the sticks we will be hit with to make that happen. Swine Flu, SPARS, Cygnus, Event 201, and COVID-19 the little battles along the way. Big Pharma is along for the ride and the money.

[Rufus Stone]

CarCrazyDad said:

Ahhh. I'm now able to post again thanks to PHs new 1 years rule to post in News Forum.

I see the usual arguments are still going on.

For me it's been virtually completely normal. Heading to Germany next week with my Son for our late 60th / 30th.

Can't wait.

I was hoping for something a little more profound.

Welcome back though.