CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
J210 said:
Scores of Glastonbury revellers test positive for COVID as experts warn of fifth wave !!!
https://news.sky.com/story/scores-of-glastonbury-r...
I assume we should all be panicking as Zoe app says it’s really bad again and we all need more masks and more jabs !
He must be after more funding
Isn't prevalence about 1 in 20 at the moment? That's 10,000 cases right there (200,000 tickets). "Scores" (used in the article) just won't cut it, although I see they've scoured twitter and found 5 people https://news.sky.com/story/scores-of-glastonbury-r...
I assume we should all be panicking as Zoe app says it’s really bad again and we all need more masks and more jabs !
He must be after more funding
johnboy1975 said:
J210 said:
Scores of Glastonbury revellers test positive for COVID as experts warn of fifth wave !!!
https://news.sky.com/story/scores-of-glastonbury-r...
I assume we should all be panicking as Zoe app says it’s really bad again and we all need more masks and more jabs !
He must be after more funding
Isn't prevalence about 1 in 20 at the moment? That's 10,000 cases right there (200,000 tickets). "Scores" (used in the article) just won't cut it, although I see they've scoured twitter and found 5 people https://news.sky.com/story/scores-of-glastonbury-r...
I assume we should all be panicking as Zoe app says it’s really bad again and we all need more masks and more jabs !
He must be after more funding
A large group of people went completely mad when COVID struck. I would say up to 1/4 of the population.
They were the instigators of lockdown. Cruel and unthinking, but convinced of their own virtue. They caused irreparable damage.
Most of the remaining 2/3rds got through life by following the crowd. They continued to do that through the pandemic, but the 'crowd' at that point was the mad people.
A few resisted and asked if we were really sure about what we were doing, but were soon shouted down and ostracised by the group. That created a feedback loop reinforcing the desire for the masses to follow the crowd.
Then as COVID faded from our lives, the crowd began to dwindle. Some joined the mad zealots, others joined the sceptics, whilst the remainder continued to float.
I think we are about 25% loonies, 25% sceptics and 50% floaters at this point.
The floaters basically tried to forget about COVID. They didn't want to confront what they had done, they simply memory holed it.
Now that COVID is in the news again, they are experiencing it alongside a flutter of panic. I hope that when they see that all of these new cases are basically colds they will gather themselves up and continue on the path back to the old normal.
In the meantime, the media profits from the panic, so they push the narrative that COVID is back and we should all be very afraid.
They were the instigators of lockdown. Cruel and unthinking, but convinced of their own virtue. They caused irreparable damage.
Most of the remaining 2/3rds got through life by following the crowd. They continued to do that through the pandemic, but the 'crowd' at that point was the mad people.
A few resisted and asked if we were really sure about what we were doing, but were soon shouted down and ostracised by the group. That created a feedback loop reinforcing the desire for the masses to follow the crowd.
Then as COVID faded from our lives, the crowd began to dwindle. Some joined the mad zealots, others joined the sceptics, whilst the remainder continued to float.
I think we are about 25% loonies, 25% sceptics and 50% floaters at this point.
The floaters basically tried to forget about COVID. They didn't want to confront what they had done, they simply memory holed it.
Now that COVID is in the news again, they are experiencing it alongside a flutter of panic. I hope that when they see that all of these new cases are basically colds they will gather themselves up and continue on the path back to the old normal.
In the meantime, the media profits from the panic, so they push the narrative that COVID is back and we should all be very afraid.
Fair assessment Elysium
Bit harsh to call the 25% “loonies” - perhaps “true believers” may be better!
The true believers would not call those at the other end “sceptics” either, I think the terms they may use are “anti vaxx” or “covid deniers”.
The 50% floaters are the ones where I would say it has been easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.
I would say that the split May be more 20 60 20 and possibly less on the sceptical end, sadly.
Bit harsh to call the 25% “loonies” - perhaps “true believers” may be better!
The true believers would not call those at the other end “sceptics” either, I think the terms they may use are “anti vaxx” or “covid deniers”.
The 50% floaters are the ones where I would say it has been easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.
I would say that the split May be more 20 60 20 and possibly less on the sceptical end, sadly.
Boringvolvodriver said:
Fair assessment Elysium
Bit harsh to call the 25% “loonies” - perhaps “true believers” may be better!
The true believers would not call those at the other end “sceptics” either, I think the terms they may use are “anti vaxx” or “covid deniers”.
The 50% floaters are the ones where I would say it has been easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.
I would say that the split May be more 20 60 20 and possibly less on the sceptical end, sadly.
The 'true believers' are the ones who would have been at the very front of the crowd shouting 'burn the witch'. The ones who would have not hesitated to administer a fatal electric shock in Milgrams experiment. The ones who would shout 'so you want people to die' at the slightest hint that you might not be one of them. Bit harsh to call the 25% “loonies” - perhaps “true believers” may be better!
The true believers would not call those at the other end “sceptics” either, I think the terms they may use are “anti vaxx” or “covid deniers”.
The 50% floaters are the ones where I would say it has been easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.
I would say that the split May be more 20 60 20 and possibly less on the sceptical end, sadly.
Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.
Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.
Elysium said:
The 'true believers' are the ones who would have been at the very front of the crowd shouting 'burn the witch'. The ones who would have not hesitated to administer a fatal electric shock in Milgrams experiment. The ones who would shout 'so you want people to die' at the slightest hint that you might not be one of them.
Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.
Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.
Don’t disagree in the level of madness seen in the true believers- covid has taken over as the new religion Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.
Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.
Elysium said:
The 'true believers' are the ones who would have been at the very front of the crowd shouting 'burn the witch'. The ones who would have not hesitated to administer a fatal electric shock in Milgrams experiment. The ones who would shout 'so you want people to die' at the slightest hint that you might not be one of them.
Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.
Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.
Still quite a few around. Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.
Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.
Screaming WHO death figures on Covid threads on left leaning sites and still extremely vocal on threads like "How do you feel about unvaccinated people".
Sort of people the Stasi loved.
On the topic of the fervent believers, the casting out of the unvaccinated and the venom directed towards them, I thought this was an interesting article and associated paper:
Us Versus Them: Harming the ‘Outgroup’ Is Linked to Elevated Activity in the Brain’s Reward Circuitry
Us Versus Them: Harming the ‘Outgroup’ Is Linked to Elevated Activity in the Brain’s Reward Circuitry
I agree that there are a number of people who one could describe as 'true believers' and, yes, they are bonkers.
But there's also those folk who are victims of the government's campaign of behavioural psychology.
The Behavioural Insights Team and SPI-B convinced the government that Project Fear could, and would, work against the population. Adverts, radio messages, stickers, posters and serious men wearing serious suits giving serious Downing Street briefings. Punchy three word slogans like "Hands, Face Space." And even alarmist warnings that someone who jogs past you might well infect you.
And, of course, the legislation. Who would have thought that our own government would have ordered us to remain in our homes, permitted to leave by a handful of 'reasonable excuses'? As Neil "Shagger" Ferguson himself said: "It’s a communist one party state, we said [...China]. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could."
But there's also those folk who are victims of the government's campaign of behavioural psychology.
The Behavioural Insights Team and SPI-B convinced the government that Project Fear could, and would, work against the population. Adverts, radio messages, stickers, posters and serious men wearing serious suits giving serious Downing Street briefings. Punchy three word slogans like "Hands, Face Space." And even alarmist warnings that someone who jogs past you might well infect you.
And, of course, the legislation. Who would have thought that our own government would have ordered us to remain in our homes, permitted to leave by a handful of 'reasonable excuses'? As Neil "Shagger" Ferguson himself said: "It’s a communist one party state, we said [...China]. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could."
Brave Fart said:
I agree that there are a number of people who one could describe as 'true believers' and, yes, they are bonkers.
But there's also those folk who are victims of the government's campaign of behavioural psychology.
The Behavioural Insights Team and SPI-B convinced the government that Project Fear could, and would, work against the population. Adverts, radio messages, stickers, posters and serious men wearing serious suits giving serious Downing Street briefings. Punchy three word slogans like "Hands, Face Space." And even alarmist warnings that someone who jogs past you might well infect you.
And, of course, the legislation. Who would have thought that our own government would have ordered us to remain in our homes, permitted to leave by a handful of 'reasonable excuses'? As Neil "Shagger" Ferguson himself said: "It’s a communist one party state, we said [...China]. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could."
Agree BF - difficult for those in the middle ground to ignore all that pressure from the government aided and abetted by a compliant media.But there's also those folk who are victims of the government's campaign of behavioural psychology.
The Behavioural Insights Team and SPI-B convinced the government that Project Fear could, and would, work against the population. Adverts, radio messages, stickers, posters and serious men wearing serious suits giving serious Downing Street briefings. Punchy three word slogans like "Hands, Face Space." And even alarmist warnings that someone who jogs past you might well infect you.
And, of course, the legislation. Who would have thought that our own government would have ordered us to remain in our homes, permitted to leave by a handful of 'reasonable excuses'? As Neil "Shagger" Ferguson himself said: "It’s a communist one party state, we said [...China]. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could."
I will never forgive them for what they did
Boringvolvodriver said:
Agree BF - difficult for those in the middle ground to ignore all that pressure from the government aided and abetted by a compliant media.
I will never forgive them for what they did
Nor me, BVD. I'm probably a Conservative voter these days, but I cannot vote for this government. Not least because of the hysterical and damaging response to COVID, delivering a legacy of NHS waiting lists, massive public debt, inflation and harm to education.I will never forgive them for what they did
Problem is, though, Labour supported the Tories and would likely have gone further - they'd have been even worse! See also Wales and Scotland.
Rufus Stone said:
Jees, people still whinging about lockdowns. It's not as if the UK was an outlier or anything.
People are still “whinging” about lockdowns because of their massive (and I mean massive) long term consequences, which were entirely foreseeable. As per the recent Johns Hopkins study, lockdowns saved very few lives.The fact that a group think and mass psychosis quickly developed in governments and societies around the world, which flatly contradicted previously planned pandemic responses, didn’t mean we should have followed the lemmings over the cliff.
People should be constantly reminded of the damage lockdowns do, if we are going to avoid them in the future, not that we can afford to make the same mistake again.
Edited by tim0409 on Thursday 30th June 15:54
tim0409 said:
People are still “whinging” about lockdowns because of their massive (and I mean massive) long term consequences, which were entirely foreseeable. As per the recent John Hopkins study, lockdowns saved very few lives.
The fact that a group think and mass psychosis quickly developed in governments and societies around the world, which flatly contradicted previously planned pandemic responses, didn’t mean we should have followed the lemmings over the cliff.
People should be constantly reminded of the damage lockdowns do, if we are going to avoid them in the future, not that we can afford to make the same mistake again.
It's been done, it can't be undone, every major economy did it. Whinging on a car forum that it shouldn't have been done is wasting your time.The fact that a group think and mass psychosis quickly developed in governments and societies around the world, which flatly contradicted previously planned pandemic responses, didn’t mean we should have followed the lemmings over the cliff.
People should be constantly reminded of the damage lockdowns do, if we are going to avoid them in the future, not that we can afford to make the same mistake again.
jagnet said:
On the topic of the fervent believers, the casting out of the unvaccinated and the venom directed towards them, I thought this was an interesting article and associated paper:
Us Versus Them: Harming the ‘Outgroup’ Is Linked to Elevated Activity in the Brain’s Reward Circuitry
Orwells "two minutes of hate"Us Versus Them: Harming the ‘Outgroup’ Is Linked to Elevated Activity in the Brain’s Reward Circuitry
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