CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

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johnboy1975

8,410 posts

109 months

Wednesday 29th June 2022
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J210 said:
Scores of Glastonbury revellers test positive for COVID as experts warn of fifth wave !!!

https://news.sky.com/story/scores-of-glastonbury-r...


I assume we should all be panicking as Zoe app says it’s really bad again and we all need more masks and more jabs !

He must be after more funding
Isn't prevalence about 1 in 20 at the moment? That's 10,000 cases right there (200,000 tickets). "Scores" (used in the article) just won't cut it, although I see they've scoured twitter and found 5 people rolleyes

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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johnboy1975 said:
J210 said:
Scores of Glastonbury revellers test positive for COVID as experts warn of fifth wave !!!

https://news.sky.com/story/scores-of-glastonbury-r...


I assume we should all be panicking as Zoe app says it’s really bad again and we all need more masks and more jabs !

He must be after more funding
Isn't prevalence about 1 in 20 at the moment? That's 10,000 cases right there (200,000 tickets). "Scores" (used in the article) just won't cut it, although I see they've scoured twitter and found 5 people rolleyes
Can you imagine if the reporting was similar a few years back - “scores get colds and runny noses from Glastonbury”.

Elysium

13,851 posts

188 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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A large group of people went completely mad when COVID struck. I would say up to 1/4 of the population.

They were the instigators of lockdown. Cruel and unthinking, but convinced of their own virtue. They caused irreparable damage.

Most of the remaining 2/3rds got through life by following the crowd. They continued to do that through the pandemic, but the 'crowd' at that point was the mad people.

A few resisted and asked if we were really sure about what we were doing, but were soon shouted down and ostracised by the group. That created a feedback loop reinforcing the desire for the masses to follow the crowd.

Then as COVID faded from our lives, the crowd began to dwindle. Some joined the mad zealots, others joined the sceptics, whilst the remainder continued to float.

I think we are about 25% loonies, 25% sceptics and 50% floaters at this point.

The floaters basically tried to forget about COVID. They didn't want to confront what they had done, they simply memory holed it.

Now that COVID is in the news again, they are experiencing it alongside a flutter of panic. I hope that when they see that all of these new cases are basically colds they will gather themselves up and continue on the path back to the old normal.

In the meantime, the media profits from the panic, so they push the narrative that COVID is back and we should all be very afraid.




Boringvolvodriver

8,994 posts

44 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Fair assessment Elysium

Bit harsh to call the 25% “loonies” - perhaps “true believers” may be better!

The true believers would not call those at the other end “sceptics” either, I think the terms they may use are “anti vaxx” or “covid deniers”.

The 50% floaters are the ones where I would say it has been easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.

I would say that the split May be more 20 60 20 and possibly less on the sceptical end, sadly.

Elysium

13,851 posts

188 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Boringvolvodriver said:
Fair assessment Elysium

Bit harsh to call the 25% “loonies” - perhaps “true believers” may be better!

The true believers would not call those at the other end “sceptics” either, I think the terms they may use are “anti vaxx” or “covid deniers”.

The 50% floaters are the ones where I would say it has been easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.

I would say that the split May be more 20 60 20 and possibly less on the sceptical end, sadly.
The 'true believers' are the ones who would have been at the very front of the crowd shouting 'burn the witch'. The ones who would have not hesitated to administer a fatal electric shock in Milgrams experiment. The ones who would shout 'so you want people to die' at the slightest hint that you might not be one of them.

Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.

Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.

Boringvolvodriver

8,994 posts

44 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Elysium said:
The 'true believers' are the ones who would have been at the very front of the crowd shouting 'burn the witch'. The ones who would have not hesitated to administer a fatal electric shock in Milgrams experiment. The ones who would shout 'so you want people to die' at the slightest hint that you might not be one of them.

Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.

Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.
Don’t disagree in the level of madness seen in the true believers- covid has taken over as the new religion

vixen1700

23,010 posts

271 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Elysium said:
The 'true believers' are the ones who would have been at the very front of the crowd shouting 'burn the witch'. The ones who would have not hesitated to administer a fatal electric shock in Milgrams experiment. The ones who would shout 'so you want people to die' at the slightest hint that you might not be one of them.

Their zealotry is only strengthened by a staunch belief in the virtue of their actions. If Mattius Desmet is correct, they want their sacrifices to lack any obvious benefit benefit, because that helps them feel that they are truly sacrifices.

Loonies is probably harsh, but they are, in my opinion at least, quite mad.
Still quite a few around. frown

Screaming WHO death figures on Covid threads on left leaning sites and still extremely vocal on threads like "How do you feel about unvaccinated people".

Sort of people the Stasi loved.

jagnet

4,115 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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On the topic of the fervent believers, the casting out of the unvaccinated and the venom directed towards them, I thought this was an interesting article and associated paper:

Us Versus Them: Harming the ‘Outgroup’ Is Linked to Elevated Activity in the Brain’s Reward Circuitry

Brave Fart

5,747 posts

112 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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I agree that there are a number of people who one could describe as 'true believers' and, yes, they are bonkers.
But there's also those folk who are victims of the government's campaign of behavioural psychology.

The Behavioural Insights Team and SPI-B convinced the government that Project Fear could, and would, work against the population. Adverts, radio messages, stickers, posters and serious men wearing serious suits giving serious Downing Street briefings. Punchy three word slogans like "Hands, Face Space." And even alarmist warnings that someone who jogs past you might well infect you.

And, of course, the legislation. Who would have thought that our own government would have ordered us to remain in our homes, permitted to leave by a handful of 'reasonable excuses'? As Neil "Shagger" Ferguson himself said: "It’s a communist one party state, we said [...China]. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could."


Boringvolvodriver

8,994 posts

44 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Brave Fart said:
I agree that there are a number of people who one could describe as 'true believers' and, yes, they are bonkers.
But there's also those folk who are victims of the government's campaign of behavioural psychology.

The Behavioural Insights Team and SPI-B convinced the government that Project Fear could, and would, work against the population. Adverts, radio messages, stickers, posters and serious men wearing serious suits giving serious Downing Street briefings. Punchy three word slogans like "Hands, Face Space." And even alarmist warnings that someone who jogs past you might well infect you.

And, of course, the legislation. Who would have thought that our own government would have ordered us to remain in our homes, permitted to leave by a handful of 'reasonable excuses'? As Neil "Shagger" Ferguson himself said: "It’s a communist one party state, we said [...China]. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could."
Agree BF - difficult for those in the middle ground to ignore all that pressure from the government aided and abetted by a compliant media.

I will never forgive them for what they did

Brave Fart

5,747 posts

112 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Boringvolvodriver said:
Agree BF - difficult for those in the middle ground to ignore all that pressure from the government aided and abetted by a compliant media.

I will never forgive them for what they did
Nor me, BVD. I'm probably a Conservative voter these days, but I cannot vote for this government. Not least because of the hysterical and damaging response to COVID, delivering a legacy of NHS waiting lists, massive public debt, inflation and harm to education.

Problem is, though, Labour supported the Tories and would likely have gone further - they'd have been even worse! See also Wales and Scotland.

Rufus Stone

6,287 posts

57 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Jees, people still whinging about lockdowns. It's not as if the UK was an outlier or anything.

jagnet

4,115 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Rufus Stone said:
Jees, people still whinging about lockdowns.
No biggie, eh?

Rufus Stone said:
It's not as if the UK was an outlier or anything.
That makes it all OK then?

Boringvolvodriver

8,994 posts

44 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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jagnet said:
Rufus Stone said:
Jees, people still whinging about lockdowns.
No biggie, eh?

Rufus Stone said:
It's not as if the UK was an outlier or anything.
That makes it all OK then?
Exactly this which is why we are in the state we are in generally.

Rufus Stone

6,287 posts

57 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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And whinging about it achieves what exactly?

tim0409

4,437 posts

160 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Rufus Stone said:
Jees, people still whinging about lockdowns. It's not as if the UK was an outlier or anything.
People are still “whinging” about lockdowns because of their massive (and I mean massive) long term consequences, which were entirely foreseeable. As per the recent Johns Hopkins study, lockdowns saved very few lives.

The fact that a group think and mass psychosis quickly developed in governments and societies around the world, which flatly contradicted previously planned pandemic responses, didn’t mean we should have followed the lemmings over the cliff.

People should be constantly reminded of the damage lockdowns do, if we are going to avoid them in the future, not that we can afford to make the same mistake again.

Edited by tim0409 on Thursday 30th June 15:54

Donbot

3,946 posts

128 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Rufus Stone said:
And whinging about it achieves what exactly?
Your whinging doesn't achieve anything so feel free to stop.

Rufus Stone

6,287 posts

57 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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tim0409 said:
People are still “whinging” about lockdowns because of their massive (and I mean massive) long term consequences, which were entirely foreseeable. As per the recent John Hopkins study, lockdowns saved very few lives.

The fact that a group think and mass psychosis quickly developed in governments and societies around the world, which flatly contradicted previously planned pandemic responses, didn’t mean we should have followed the lemmings over the cliff.

People should be constantly reminded of the damage lockdowns do, if we are going to avoid them in the future, not that we can afford to make the same mistake again.
It's been done, it can't be undone, every major economy did it. Whinging on a car forum that it shouldn't have been done is wasting your time.

Rufus Stone

6,287 posts

57 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Donbot said:
Your whinging doesn't achieve anything so feel free to stop.
It clearly doesn't and I'm happy to accept that. biggrin

Elysium

13,851 posts

188 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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jagnet said:
On the topic of the fervent believers, the casting out of the unvaccinated and the venom directed towards them, I thought this was an interesting article and associated paper:

Us Versus Them: Harming the ‘Outgroup’ Is Linked to Elevated Activity in the Brain’s Reward Circuitry
Orwells "two minutes of hate"
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