CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
A lot of the points raised were so obvious at the time (even with no hindsight) and not hard to spot when they go so far against common sense.
Vinay Prasad's Observations and Thoughts
A checklist for COVID policy
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/a-checklis...
Vinay Prasad's Observations and Thoughts
A checklist for COVID policy
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/a-checklis...
They really are not done are they?
Reading that article it takes about wearing masks, sterilisation and cleaner air indoors, improving vaccines. Still no mention of keeping yourself fit and healthy, eating better foods, taking more vitamin D in areas with poor sunlight hours (whole of the UK between October and April), and just simply getting on and enjoying life as normal. It’s a doom loop.
Reading that article it takes about wearing masks, sterilisation and cleaner air indoors, improving vaccines. Still no mention of keeping yourself fit and healthy, eating better foods, taking more vitamin D in areas with poor sunlight hours (whole of the UK between October and April), and just simply getting on and enjoying life as normal. It’s a doom loop.
If only someone could have predicted that there would be variants that evade the magic jabs.
Interesting study narrative.
But wait, what's this?
So this study is testing if there is a significant statistical difference between vaccine acquired immunity, and infection acquired immunity in conjunction with vaccine acquired immunity - the so called "super immunity". It would appear from these results that the new variants are capable of evading both forms of immunity. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until the benevolent and charitable Big Pharma companies are promoting the next round of magic jabs to counteract this.
In other news, Covid is now spreading like wild fire amongst my fully vaxxed up colleagues, some of whom have gotten it rather badly. Good job they had their jabs to keep them safe.
Interesting study narrative.
Article said:
Researchers said their data showed that the BA.4 and BA.5 subvariants “substantially escape neutralizing antibodies induced by both vaccination and infection.”
Adding that the findings suggested “the Omicron variant has continued to evolve with increasing neutralization escape,” the research team said the study provided “immunologic context for the current surges caused by the BA.4 and BA.5 subvariants in populations with high frequencies of vaccination and BA.1 or BA.2 infection.”
So that reads to me like those who have had their vaccines or those who have acquired natural immunity through prior infection are at risk of these new variants.Adding that the findings suggested “the Omicron variant has continued to evolve with increasing neutralization escape,” the research team said the study provided “immunologic context for the current surges caused by the BA.4 and BA.5 subvariants in populations with high frequencies of vaccination and BA.1 or BA.2 infection.”
But wait, what's this?
Article said:
Of the participants in their study, 27 had been vaccinated and boosted with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and 27 had been infected with either the BA.1 or BA.2 Omicron subvariant a median 29 days earlier.
Seems a balanced and representative, if small, sample of people to test how the variants evade antibodies from vaccination and infection.Article said:
All but one of the participants who had recently been infected with the virus had also been vaccinated.
Wait, what?So this study is testing if there is a significant statistical difference between vaccine acquired immunity, and infection acquired immunity in conjunction with vaccine acquired immunity - the so called "super immunity". It would appear from these results that the new variants are capable of evading both forms of immunity. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until the benevolent and charitable Big Pharma companies are promoting the next round of magic jabs to counteract this.
In other news, Covid is now spreading like wild fire amongst my fully vaxxed up colleagues, some of whom have gotten it rather badly. Good job they had their jabs to keep them safe.
jameswills said:
They really are not done are they?
Reading that article it takes about wearing masks, sterilisation and cleaner air indoors, improving vaccines. Still no mention of keeping yourself fit and healthy, eating better foods, taking more vitamin D in areas with poor sunlight hours (whole of the UK between October and April), and just simply getting on and enjoying life as normal. It’s a doom loop.
Indeed - you might think that the BBC might want to promote the health side of things but no - why I wonder? Reading that article it takes about wearing masks, sterilisation and cleaner air indoors, improving vaccines. Still no mention of keeping yourself fit and healthy, eating better foods, taking more vitamin D in areas with poor sunlight hours (whole of the UK between October and April), and just simply getting on and enjoying life as normal. It’s a doom loop.
In other, admittedly old news so probably changed now, I came across this
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharma...
Mmm - still sure you want to keep having that booster which I am sure I read somewhere was to be a higher dose than before.
garyhun said:
jameswills said:
Monkeypox just isn’t doing it is it. Needs a rebrand. Poxaids? Deathpox. Pox-3000?
Black Death and airborne Ebola next 
On the radio this week was requests for men not to go to pride events over the weekend if they have unidentified pox or rashes. Story finished it was fundamentally only a problem for a specific group of people.
Maybe there should be a Facebook style quiz? Your personal viral nemesis is 'Scary + the colour of your underwear + what your great grandad died from' Mine is Scary black diphtheria.
Not content with 32% increase - not a big enough number they also have this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62009230
Note that is an ONS estimate
9000 in hospital with covid but no mention of how many of and 211 in ITU.
There are about 141,000 beds in total
The ITU number has been pretty flat for a while now which to me indicates that there are no serious cases
Anyway half a million is a scary number which is all that matters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62009230
Note that is an ONS estimate
9000 in hospital with covid but no mention of how many of and 211 in ITU.
There are about 141,000 beds in total
The ITU number has been pretty flat for a while now which to me indicates that there are no serious cases
Anyway half a million is a scary number which is all that matters.
Donbot said:
Advertising that you may have got immunity for free is a bad business strategy.
The whole narrative should be "get injected to make your infection mild(er) and then that's it - your immune system can take it from here". (Possible exception for the elderly, on an annual or biannual basis) - And to be fair it seems the JCVI are now taking this pathIt's the only credible stance to take with vaccines that don't prevent infection. It also misses the fact that literally millions of people (especially kids, teens and young adults) didn't need this "help" in the first place.
And let's hope it does indeed turn out to be a help, not a harm. Antivax sites reporting the latest death figures are 92% vaccinated. Which might broadly tie in with the vaccination figures in the older age groups, and could be Simpson's paradox. (We've done this before).
However the Pfizer stats say the unvaccinated should be dying in droves, whilst the vaccinated take a couple of paracetamol and feel fine
Boringvolvodriver said:
Not content with 32% increase - not a big enough number they also have this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62009230
Note that is an ONS estimate
9000 in hospital with covid but no mention of how many of and 211 in ITU.
There are about 141,000 beds in total
The ITU number has been pretty flat for a while now which to me indicates that there are no serious cases
Anyway half a million is a scary number which is all that matters.
1/30 Englandhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62009230
Note that is an ONS estimate
9000 in hospital with covid but no mention of how many of and 211 in ITU.
There are about 141,000 beds in total
The ITU number has been pretty flat for a while now which to me indicates that there are no serious cases
Anyway half a million is a scary number which is all that matters.
1/18 Scotland
Nicola's doing well I see
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