CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[grumbledoak]

anonymous said:

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[JagLover]

Slippydiff99 said:

BBC reporting on the way that the ONS data on co-morbidities has been misused (including disappointingly by Dr John Campbell)


Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60145237.amp

The answer is of course somewhere in the middle

You cannot simply use the average years of live left at date of death of those who die with Covid as, in the main, it is taking those with serious health conditions that would reduce lifespan in any case.

Equally a number of those who pass away with a serious health condition may have had significant years of life left.

My own personal view is that the vast majority of those who died with Covid would have passed away within five years in any case. So in reality this is more an argument about the timeframe over which we are assessing this.

There are going to be outliers of course. Obese people in their thirties say who may still have had another thirty years.

[g3org3y]

A LITERATURE REVIEW AND META-ANALYSIS OF THE EFFECTS OF LOCKDOWNS ON COVID-19 MORTALITY

article said:

This systematic review and meta-analysis are designed to determine whether there is empirical evidence to support the belief that “lockdowns” reduce COVID-19 mortality. Lockdowns are defined as the imposition of at least one compulsory, non-pharmaceutical intervention (NPI). NPIs are any government mandate that directly restrict peoples’ possibilities, such as policies that limit internal movement, close schools and businesses, and ban international travel. This study employed a systematic search and screening procedure in which 18,590 studies are identified that could potentially address the belief posed. After three levels of screening, 34 studies ultimately qualified. Of those 34 eligible studies, 24 qualified for inclusion in the meta-analysis. They were separated into three groups: lockdown stringency index studies, shelter-in-placeorder (SIPO) studies, and specific NPI studies. An analysis of each of these three groups support the conclusion that lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality. More specifically, stringency index studies find that lockdowns in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% on average. SIPOs were also ineffective, only reducing COVID-19 mortality by 2.9% on average. Specific NPI studies also find no broad-based evidence of noticeable effects on COVID-19 mortality. While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.

[johnboy1975]

mondeoman said:

Rufus Stone said:

Well that didn't go as planned.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1045330...

MSM representative sticking to the narrative? Whatever next?

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But in equally good faith, I reply that for me the right direction is to be sure you are vaccinated, for your own sake (1) and for the sake of your families (2), friends (3) and communities (4)

1. Why? She's 33 not 93 FFS
2,3,4 Why? (If she gets vaccinated now....) Is it imperative these people don't catch covid via their nurse before April? All these double jabbed nurses knocking about, how much protection is their jab from last Spring / Summer offering 2,3 and 4 from omicron?? None? Thought so

[g3org3y]

johnboy1975 said:

mondeoman said:

Rufus Stone said:

Well that didn't go as planned.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1045330...

MSM representative sticking to the narrative? Whatever next?

said:

But in equally good faith, I reply that for me the right direction is to be sure you are vaccinated, for your own sake (1) and for the sake of your families (2), friends (3) and communities (4)

1. Why? She's 33 not 93 FFS
2,3,4 Why? (If she gets vaccinated now....) Is it imperative these people don't catch covid via their nurse before April? All these double jabbed nurses knocking about, how much protection is their jab from last Spring / Summer offering 2,3 and 4 from omicron?? None? Thought so

Will just add the most recent data for vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease here in the new volume:





Booster protection continues to wane as expected. Double jab providing next to no protection against Omicron.

[Bingobobster]

anonymous said:

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That's great news. Have you got similar plans to leave this thread ?

[Harrison Bergeron]

2nd booster working well in Israel

TOI said:

There were more COVID-19 cases identified in Israel during January this year than the entirety of 2021, according to a report released Thursday.

The Coronavirus National Information and Knowledge Center said some 960,500 coronavirus cases were identified during 2021, while in January alone, as of Wednesday, more than 1,160,000 have tested positive.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-covid-cases-con...

[jameswills]

anonymous said:

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That's told him. Imagine if you didn't have to pay for Spotify at all and you could have both?

[CarCrazyDad]

nick30 said:

R Mutt said:

I've said throughout that we overdid the fear

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/28/gr...

Yet people still feel everything we did was entirely proportional

At last they are exposing it but it’s pretty grim

Until its front page news on the BBC, I'm not viewing anything as exposed. Most people aren't going to be talking about this until it is on TV as a breaking story.

It's utterly grim, sickening, and the people responsible need a lot more coming to them than a MP enquiry.

[Vanden Saab]

anonymous said:

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Have you stopped shopping at shops that do not ask for you to wear a mask too?

[MaxFromage]

anonymous said:

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Thanks Doc, I just spat my drink out. The delicious irony.

[bodhi]

anonymous said:

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That's an incredibly cool story bro.

Although let's be honest, it was more the lack of Barry Manilow that did it wasn't it.

[V1nce Fox]

Tbh i say if doc wants to use apple instead of spotify then crack on.

Freedom of choice is important.

[Shrugging for victory]

anonymous said:

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Yeah, you show them! "Siri, who are Neil Young & Joni Mitchell?" That's reality, the majority don't care about these washed up musicians throwing their teddies out.

[Vanden Saab]

Shrugging for victory said:

anonymous said:

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Yeah, you show them! "Siri, who are Neil Young & Joni Mitchell?" That's reality, the majority don't care about these washed up musicians throwing their teddies out.

Call me cynical but Apple have been smarting since Jo left. It would be interesting to see the details of the musicians new Apple deals.

[NerveAgent]

Is this Joe Rogan chap particularly controversial? He seems to have become chief witch in the usual circles. He must be loving the publicity!

[Dastardly Dick]

NerveAgent said:

Is this Joe Rogan chap particularly controversial? He seems to have become chief witch in the usual circles. He must be loving the publicity!

Not really he mostly conducts lengthy inteviews and listens to whats said,usually interviewing at times those people who the left have cancelled and asking difficult questions along the way which those of an apparently 'liberal' attitude dont appear be too liberal in then demanding he stop or be cancelled himself.

Since hes got a bigger audience than Communist Network News that doesnt go down particularly well amongst those promoting the lefty narratives, hence they want him shut down.
Nothing quite like a bit of liberality eh?

[Otispunkmeyer]

anonymous said:

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Rogan has his mates like Joey Diaz on a fair bit which is annoying, but other than that he seems fairly balanced to me, he has people from all walks on. People I don't agree with and people I do. I listen to quite a lot of them. You're binning it because of one guest he had on? fair enough Malone isn't all he says he is and something he said weren't correct. But Vinay Prasad actually did a list of wrongs/rights and Joe actually read it and re-posted it to his followers with a comment about it changing his thoughts. Seems like a guy who is willing to listen and be prepared to change his views when necessary. So he's alright in my book.

[21TonyK]

Shrugging for victory said:

anonymous said:

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Yeah, you show them! "Siri, who are Neil Young & Joni Mitchell?" That's reality, the majority don't care about these washed up musicians throwing their teddies out.

"washed up musicians"

Neil Young might not be as well known globally but Joni Mitchell?

[rover 623gsi]

jameswills said:

Slippydiff99 said:

BBC reporting on the way that the ONS data on co-morbidities has been misused (including disappointingly by Dr John Campbell)


Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60145237.amp

Think they have possibly scored an own goal with that article (perhaps deliberate?). To me it highlights that if you’re fit and healthy, and young, you have absolutely nothing to fear from Covid, which was certainly not what the MSM have been pushing for the last 2 years.

Type 2 diabetes very obese man dies at age 56. Yes Covid most probably saw him off, but with his condition at his age and his obvious current health state, a bad flu season or possibly too much hot weather would have done the same job. He was not long for this World.

It is as if no one died pre March 2020.

Indeed

The article says:
But the false implication made in social media posts - that if someone had any pre-existing health condition, they did not really die of the virus - doesn't logically follow.
"It is very common for the person dying to have a pre-existing health condition of some sort, but this does not mean that the person was at imminent risk of dying from that condition, or even considered to have a reduced life expectancy," the ONS explained.

It’s not that if you die of Covid you probably about to drop dead anyway. It’s that if you have an underlying health condition and/or are very elderly then if you get Covid you are simply ‘more likely’ to die than someone young and healthy - and the statistics bare this out.

Covid does not affect everyone the same way.