Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

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Oakey

26,673 posts

193 months

Saturday 14th May
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FourWheelDrift said:
Oakey said:
Accidentally clicked the wrong thing and ended up at the last page of the forum and saw this thread from 2009 regard Russia re-armanment, some of the comments have aged well

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Jeez, I was taking the piss out of their old equipment back then in 2009 and they're still using the same stuff now. biggrin
I wonder what happened to this poster

Nadyenka said:
Because maybe you should look at how your own country is before you say bad thing about others.How the UK treats soldiers and doe not spend enough so they are ready for the wars that they send them to fight is wrong.

arguti

1,585 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th May
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Astacus said:
What happened to `the posts of our most recent troll? did they all get deleted. I see that he has no recorded posts for several weeks.
Did they come to take him away?
Yes, his therapy session has just started.

Blackpuddin

13,367 posts

182 months

Saturday 14th May
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J4CKO said:
The whole of Russia is apparently brainwashed but I am sure, like us they don’t want bombing.
The trouble is that they won't know a thing about it until it's happened, and then they'll be dead.

Blackpuddin

13,367 posts

182 months

Saturday 14th May
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eharding said:
The design was actually based in a wartime Japanese aircraft equipment fairing that US intelligence had become privy to, which featured in a number of kamikhazi raids.
Take a bow Mr Harding, your posts always make me smile.

_Al_

5,457 posts

235 months

Saturday 14th May
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So much for the stalemate… Sounds like UA doing very well today. Russians in retreat from Kharkiv back toward their own border and rumours the UA are taking the momentum through to Izyum.

andy_s

18,449 posts

236 months

Saturday 14th May
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sisu said:
andy_s said:
Tartan Pixie said:
RE the failed river crossing, do Russia not have amphibious fighting vehicles and personnel carriers, or is that just the older Soviet stuff?

I was under the impression Russia have (or used to have?) a river crossing a doctrine designed to work in contested airspace, troops go across amphibiously with the pontoon bridges going up after the the 1st echelon troops have secured a bridgehead?
https://russellphillips.uk/warsaw-pact-river-crossing/
The Russian's "expected to advance an average of 100km per day" and " no river be a delay to their speedy advance towards Germany"
Instead this happened and they are retreating
A lot of their 'show' exercises were done using pre-prepared concreted river beds anyway. Another interesting aspect of this scenario was the stay behind forces, expected to be over-run and then sabotage, signal movements, set up escape lines for downed pilots, coordinate with resistance etc. Like in the UK with the ROC hides dotted about everywhere Germany was peppered with hides, dumps etc. Probably very fanciful in reality looking back but as someone once said 'always have a plan because you can always change a plan'.
Never liked the idea of being stuck in a tank or submarine :shudder:

Tartan Pixie said:
Even if it's no longer so heavily emphasised in modern Russian training it's difficult to understand how the staff planning the operation could make quite such a balls up.
A combo of factors discussed previously on the generalities but one of them may be that these are the ways to do things that work in training exercises and against low-level opposition and with combined arms, i.e. just do what the manual says even if it was written before we had computers and even if we're not in any of the aforementioned scenario's. I'm just guessing, it's pretty baffling to be honest, but Ukraine has eyes & ears everywhere and precision at distance, whatchagonnado?

juice

7,310 posts

259 months

Saturday 14th May
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rigga said:
Another day, another nuclear threat.
Phew....thank god for that. I was getting worried they'd forgotten

BikeBikeBIke

2,413 posts

92 months

Saturday 14th May
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Initially on ColonelCassad Telegram group they were totally gung ho. Then some doubt crept in and they started to advocate nuking everywhere. Then at the Battle of Donbass they started to suspect things were going badly, at this time the talk of nukes stopped.

Now today there's a few posts admitting defeat and advocating quitting.

I wonder what percentage are Secret Service preparing the pitch?

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/48535

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Saturday 14th May 16:54


Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Saturday 14th May 17:45

TTmonkey

18,113 posts

224 months

Saturday 14th May
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swanny71 said:
98elise said:
TTmonkey said:
One of the guys arrested and awaiting trial is a Sgt. He’s 21.

And they gave Generals that are barely thirty.


So they don’t have a clue.
I was a Perry Officer (Sgt equivalent) in the RN at 21, and it wasn't unusual.

Quite common for Junior Officers to be early late teens, early 20's as well.
I assume, like me, you were a Tiff? A technical role, with accelerated promotion based largely on technical performance rather than experience or leadership (those qualities largely came after promotion to POMEA for myself and my peers).

Very, very different role and responsibilities to an army Sgt leading men in combat.
Ffs. Yes infantry and tank crews. Not technical trades or aircrew etc.

If you have three people in a tank and their age is 19, 20 and 21 and at least one is a Sgt then you have no maturity of decision making, no experience, no respect, and no leadership.



BikeBikeBIke

2,413 posts

92 months

Saturday 14th May
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Oakey said:
Accidentally clicked the wrong thing and ended up at the last page of the forum and saw this thread from 2009 regard Russia re-armanment, some of the comments have aged well

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Yeah, plenty there that we recognize today.

I'd completely forgotten Gordon Brown....

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Saturday 14th May 17:17

Johnnytheboy

23,960 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th May
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In a change from the usual BBC civilian misery porn, quite a good bit of footage from an embedded camera crew near Kharkiv here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61441...

Whoozit

2,723 posts

246 months

Saturday 14th May
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TTmonkey said:
swanny71 said:
98elise said:
TTmonkey said:
One of the guys arrested and awaiting trial is a Sgt. He’s 21.

And they gave Generals that are barely thirty.


So they don’t have a clue.
I was a Perry Officer (Sgt equivalent) in the RN at 21, and it wasn't unusual.

Quite common for Junior Officers to be early late teens, early 20's as well.
I assume, like me, you were a Tiff? A technical role, with accelerated promotion based largely on technical performance rather than experience or leadership (those qualities largely came after promotion to POMEA for myself and my peers).

Very, very different role and responsibilities to an army Sgt leading men in combat.
Ffs. Yes infantry and tank crews. Not technical trades or aircrew etc.

If you have three people in a tank and their age is 19, 20 and 21 and at least one is a Sgt then you have no maturity of decision making, no experience, no respect, and no leadership.
In which case I'm thankful for the British Army discipline and training which deems it sufficient in your hypothetical to put them in those positions.

pingu393

5,571 posts

182 months

Saturday 14th May
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Battle of Dombas
Soon to renamed the Battle of Dumbass

TheJimi

21,949 posts

220 months

Saturday 14th May
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Johnnytheboy said:
In a change from the usual BBC civilian misery porn, quite a good bit of footage from an embedded camera crew near Kharkiv here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61441...
You can really see the stress on Zelensky's face, imo, buy equally, he's handling this absolutely brilliantly.

J4CKO

36,433 posts

177 months

Saturday 14th May
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Blackpuddin said:
J4CKO said:
The whole of Russia is apparently brainwashed but I am sure, like us they don’t want bombing.
The trouble is that they won't know a thing about it until it's happened, and then they'll be dead.
Well, same as us I guess, but was more thinking about their president and media repeatedly going on about nuking other nuclear powers.

Do they really sit there thinking that's a good idea, that there would be nothing sent by return ?

They report that they have nuked the UK, would they expect,

A\ Boris on TV saying "Grr, You Rotters you got us" ?

B\ Nothing, just goes silent ?

C\ Things soon get a bit Hot and Tridenty ?

FourWheelDrift

Original Poster:

84,347 posts

261 months

Saturday 14th May
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J4CKO said:
Well, same as us I guess, but was more thinking about their president and media repeatedly going on about nuking other nuclear powers.
Do they really sit there thinking that's a good idea, that there would be nothing sent by return ?
Putin : "I'm going to nuke them" [presses button] Click.....click......click, click, click "It's not working!"
General : "Sir, we have to wait for the modem to connect, but it appears the line is engaged"
Putin : "LYUDMILA GET OFF THE PHONE I'M TRYING TO NUKE SOMEONE!"

vonuber

16,420 posts

142 months

Saturday 14th May
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TheJimi said:
You can really see the stress on Zelensky's face, imo, buy equally, he's handling this absolutely brilliantly.
God knows what he went through in the first couple of days.
How he made the decision to stay and send his wife and kids away, that's a choice I hope I never have to make.

Jimmm

2,371 posts

160 months

Saturday 14th May
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BikeBikeBIke said:
If I had a rouble for every Russian Nuclear threat I'd be able to buy several penny sweets.
That's unfair. I reckon I'd have enough to get a spare key cut for my nuclear bunker.

Cheib

21,286 posts

152 months

Saturday 14th May
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Byker28i said:
liner33 said:
myvision said:
How much money have Putin and the oligarchs stolen from Russia?
I guess we'll never actually know.
It started way before Putin, a lot of it was down to this chap

Difficult to trace until it pops up so we probably only know a small part of it.

There's the money pumped into trumps Condo's, the investigation and fines handed out to Deutsche Bank for russian money laundering, the money that filtered through Turkish banks and of course into Cyprus (Moscow on the Med), then of course around $2bn of UK property, especially in London.

Opposition leader Nemtsov claimed that between 2004 and 2007 over $60bn was transferred from Gazprom's funds to Putin's cronies alone, then not forgetting the investigation by the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, nicknamed "Russian Laundromat" that claimed between 2011 and 2014, 19 Russian banks laundered $20.8bn (£15.6bn) to 5,140 companies in 96 countries.
https://www.occrp.org/en/laundromat/the-russian-la...

Then you've the US blocking Promsvyazbank and Vnesheconombank this year for money laundering
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormie...

and of course the Panama Papers
https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/...

A lot of the US 2014 sanctions were about targetting the Oligarchs and Putins foreign money stashed away, so they couldn't get at it, hence their push for trump and trump trying to get sanctions dropped for the first year or so...
I've seen it speculated Putin is worth $200 bil and that a lot of the money the Oligarch's control is his.



Dog Star

13,928 posts

145 months

Saturday 14th May
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vonuber said:
God knows what he went through in the first couple of days.
How he made the decision to stay and send his wife and kids away, that's a choice I hope I never have to make.
When this is over he will be feted the (free) world over. He and his fighters are an example to us all - I am in awe.