Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

[anonymous-user]

Sheets Tabuer said:

andy_s said:

saaby93 said:

Polly Grigora said:

Oilchange said:

Master tacticians here on Pistonheads...

Think that the few that do know much aren't posting much

Our main weapon is surprise

'Surprise...and fear...Our two weapons are surprise and fear...and ruthless efficiency' etc

It's Sunday, most of the gravy seals with be getting the roast on.

And opsec!

[sisu]

Vasco said:

Finland confirms that formal application to join NATO is expected to be ratified in next few days.

Without notice our Russian energy suppliers cut off the electricity to Imatra in Eastern Finland yesterday.
I mean your guess is as good as mine as to why this happened this weekend and why there was no warning. But as they make up less than 10% of the electricity and this is happening in Spring this won't effect us over the Winter.
We have a new very expensive, overbudget Nuclear powerstation which came online in January and other sources in place over the summer to cover the shortfall until the Wind is built over the next 12 months.

[Desiderata]

Sheets Tabuer said:

It's Sunday, most of the gravy seals with be getting the roast on.

Is it just me? I can't make any sense of this "sentence". Maybe I'm not in the know.

[Arnold Cunningham]

Oilchange said:

Master tacticians here on Pistonheads...

Well...certainly, for some unknown and odd reason, this thread on a petrol heads has become a group of balanced, well thought out and considered thoughts on Ukraine, which if you read "through" the posts carefully, in many cases you can see is based on much more than the latest nuclear headline grabbing BS from some newspaper - it shows good understanding of history, psychology, economics, politics, warfare. This is the best of Pistonheads Institute for Studies.

There's no one here particularly trying to tell Zelensky what his next move should be, even if people are discussing what his options could be.

Arguably this is one of the best threads pistonheads has ever had. That said, I reckon we'd be buggered as a pistonheads army - lots of discussion and consideration, but actually getting out and doing something about it. Don't push your luck.

[ruggedscotty]

A Russian wife turned to her husband and asked, "What's this special military operation our glorious leader keeps talking about?"
Her husband replied, "It's a proxy war between Russia and NATO."
"Oh, right. How's it going?"
"Well," he replied, "so far we've lost 24,000 soldiers, 2,000 tanks, 200 aircraft, numerous helicopters, and loads of armoured vehicles and artillery pieces. and our flag ship along with other naval pieces"
"Wow! What about NATO?"
"They haven't turned up yet."

[Arnold Cunningham]

sisu said:

We have a new very expensive, overbudget Nuclear powerstation which came online in January and other sources in place over the summer to cover the shortfall until the Wind is built over the next 12 months.

I'm a big fan of wind power. Even while acknowledging it's shortfalls (the wind has to be blowing), it seems any nation bordering the north sea would want to be maximising their wind capability there. And yet, all I ever read from Vestas (Danish turbing company with manufacturing facility in the UK) is doom and gloom. For example : https://www.ft.com/content/91493287-e15e-4c2f-8994...

Yes cost inflation, but massive demand for more turbines with no other option = yes, they just cost more to build, but people still need them.

[mondeoman]

Sheets Tabuer said:

andy_s said:

saaby93 said:

Polly Grigora said:

Oilchange said:

Master tacticians here on Pistonheads...

Think that the few that do know much aren't posting much

Our main weapon is surprise

'Surprise...and fear...Our two weapons are surprise and fear...and ruthless efficiency' etc

It's Sunday, most of the gravy seals with be getting the roast on.

That deserves a

[Digga]

Arnold Cunningham said:

Oilchange said:

Master tacticians here on Pistonheads...

Well...certainly, for some unknown and odd reason, this thread on a petrol heads has become a group of balanced, well thought out and considered thoughts on Ukraine, which if you read "through" the posts carefully, in many cases you can see is based on much more than the latest nuclear headline grabbing BS from some newspaper - it shows good understanding of history, psychology, economics, politics, warfare. This is the best of Pistonheads Institute for Studies.

There's no one here particularly trying to tell Zelensky what his next move should be, even if people are discussing what his options could be.

Arguably this is one of the best threads pistonheads has ever had. That said, I reckon we'd be buggered as a pistonheads army - lots of discussion and consideration, but actually getting out and doing something about it. Don't push your luck.

Part of the worth of this thread is that military halfwits like me can sit in bed, scratching their balls, asking daft questions or conjuring up daft ideas and someone, with actual real knowledge can either discuss or kill the idea deals, as appropriate.

Similarly, I can chuck my own actual knowledge of mechanical engineering and doing business in Russia and Ukraine every now and again.

This thread thrives on the churn of ideas (good and daft) and actual knowledge and information.

[Arnold Cunningham]

I have certainly found it very educational.

[Oilchange]

Arnold Cunningham said:

Oilchange said:

Master tacticians here on Pistonheads...

Well...certainly, for some unknown and odd reason, this thread on a petrol heads has become a group of balanced, well thought out and considered thoughts on Ukraine, which if you read "through" the posts carefully, in many cases you can see is based on much more than the latest nuclear headline grabbing BS from some newspaper - it shows good understanding of history, psychology, economics, politics, warfare. This is the best of Pistonheads Institute for Studies.

There's no one here particularly trying to tell Zelensky what his next move should be, even if people are discussing what his options could be.

Arguably this is one of the best threads pistonheads has ever had. That said, I reckon we'd be buggered as a pistonheads army - lots of discussion and consideration, but actually getting out and doing something about it. Don't push your luck.

Yep agreed but I think a little sarcasm now and then helps to maintain that balance.
Perhaps I should have put a smiley at the end and it wouldn't have touched so many nerves, who knows.

[FiF]

Phosphorous bombs on Azovstal works.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1525768...

Is it actually phosphorous or thermite or some other incendiary?

Regardless this is simply a drawn out execution of the forces still present.

[djc206]

FiF said:

Phosphorous bombs on Azovstal works.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1525768...

Is it actually phosphorous or thermite or some other incendiary?

Regardless this is simply a drawn out execution of the forces still present.

How is anyone still alive there? And how are any of the structures still standing? The survival and resistance of those trapped there is incredible. Brave souls.

[BikeBikeBIke]

djc206 said:

How is anyone still alive there? And how are any of the structures still standing? The survival and resistance of those trapped there is incredible. Brave souls.

There can only be so many entry and exit points, I really don't understand how they aren't all blocked by now, but they're obvs not.

[TheJimi]

Oilchange said:

Arnold Cunningham said:

Oilchange said:

Master tacticians here on Pistonheads...

Well...certainly, for some unknown and odd reason, this thread on a petrol heads has become a group of balanced, well thought out and considered thoughts on Ukraine, which if you read "through" the posts carefully, in many cases you can see is based on much more than the latest nuclear headline grabbing BS from some newspaper - it shows good understanding of history, psychology, economics, politics, warfare. This is the best of Pistonheads Institute for Studies.

There's no one here particularly trying to tell Zelensky what his next move should be, even if people are discussing what his options could be.

Arguably this is one of the best threads pistonheads has ever had. That said, I reckon we'd be buggered as a pistonheads army - lots of discussion and consideration, but actually getting out and doing something about it. Don't push your luck.

Yep agreed but I think a little sarcasm now and then helps to maintain that balance.
Perhaps I should have put a smiley at the end and it wouldn't have touched so many nerves, who knows.

I think you hit a nerve because most folk on this thread are putting real thought and effort into the discussion.

It's a very sensible and considered discussion and throwaway pissy comments like yours above contribute nothing, much less offers any "balance".

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 15th May 13:48

[_Al_]

Interesting read here:

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1525748...

…and also on this thread which I actually *meant* to link first time.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1525583...

That the UA has been disproportionately hitting support vehicles and bleeding out the RA that way is not news per se, but link offers a good look at what it means for the bigger picture.

Edited for wrong link!

Edited by _Al_ on Sunday 15th May 13:54

[saaby93]

BikeBikeBIke said:

djc206 said:

How is anyone still alive there? And how are any of the structures still standing? The survival and resistance of those trapped there is incredible. Brave souls.

There can only be so many entry and exit points, I really don't understand how they aren't all blocked by now, but they're obvs not.

Remember it was a cold war stucture designed to provide living accomdation after a nuclear attack
Quite clever disguising it as a steel works

[Shar2]

BikeBikeBIke said:

There can only be so many entry and exit points, I really don't understand how they aren't all blocked by now, but they're obvs not.

I think a lot of bystanders, as we all are here on PH, is that we forget that a lot of these structures were built in Soviet times. I visited an industrial estate in northern of Kyiv a few years ago and I was not only told, but shown that everything you could see above ground was mirrored below ground. Ok, the steel plant is obviously not quite like that, but it is known that there are a lot of tunnels and subterranean shelters under it. If food, water and ammunition could be squirrelled into the plant, the defenders could last for long enough to be relieved.

[FourWheelDrift]

BikeBikeBIke said:

djc206 said:

How is anyone still alive there? And how are any of the structures still standing? The survival and resistance of those trapped there is incredible. Brave souls.

There can only be so many entry and exit points, I really don't understand how they aren't all blocked by now, but they're obvs not.

[Whoozit]

Arnold Cunningham said:

sisu said:

We have a new very expensive, overbudget Nuclear powerstation which came online in January and other sources in place over the summer to cover the shortfall until the Wind is built over the next 12 months.

I'm a big fan of wind power. Even while acknowledging it's shortfalls (the wind has to be blowing), it seems any nation bordering the north sea would want to be maximising their wind capability there. And yet, all I ever read from Vestas (Danish turbing company with manufacturing facility in the UK) is doom and gloom. For example : https://www.ft.com/content/91493287-e15e-4c2f-8994...

Yes cost inflation, but massive demand for more turbines with no other option = yes, they just cost more to build, but people still need them.

Demand yes there is. However the buyers are govt procurement processes, who always allocate the most points to price in my experience. They are capital intensive businesses with limited alternative customers. So when the macroeconomics and staff sickness fall against them over and over again, as we're seeing now, they're limited in how quickly they can find new markets. Honestly, "cost-plus" procurement sometimes has its place. This could be one of those places.

[Oilchange]

FourWheelDrift said:

Judging by how solidly built the underground network is I'd say that the effort the Russians are going to to capture it is telling. Although I wonder if the occupants even know about the Phos bearing in mind it's a nuclear bunker but it makes for a pretty impenetrable place to set up a command station.