Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2
Discussion
Puggit said:
AstonZagato said:
I know a couple of billionaires and met a few more over the years.
They rarely seem to derive much pleasure from their wealth - in terms of having lots of "stuff" but seemingly not having the time to enjoy it, except in snatched moments between working to make even more money.
For them, money has become a way of "keeping score".
I suspect Putin is the same.
He has to have the biggest yacht but can't really go on it - he can't be seen lounging on it and the security aspects are poor
Likewise his vast summer dacha.
His yacht is gone - Italian finance police took it. They rarely seem to derive much pleasure from their wealth - in terms of having lots of "stuff" but seemingly not having the time to enjoy it, except in snatched moments between working to make even more money.
For them, money has become a way of "keeping score".
I suspect Putin is the same.
He has to have the biggest yacht but can't really go on it - he can't be seen lounging on it and the security aspects are poor
Likewise his vast summer dacha.
I was more talking generically, pre-war.
He goes to quite some lengths in Russia to hide his wealth.
I don't recall any stories of Putin being on either of his yachts, though the Navalny evidence seems pretty watertight ('scuse pun). I'm sure he must have been on them but I rather doubt he spent more than a few days at a time.
mondeoman said:
Byker28i said:
TTmonkey said:
What’s the point of having 400 billion over three hundred billion?
Or 300 billion over 200 billion?
Or any number over a couple of billion? All numbers above this become pointless to an individual.
I don’t see any point. Especially if you are Putin.
I’m guessing he doesn’t buy much. He just appropriates it from state funds.
What would he ever be able to buy now?
What could someone with a huge amount of money and an ego as large buy. Twitter? Or 300 billion over 200 billion?
Or any number over a couple of billion? All numbers above this become pointless to an individual.
I don’t see any point. Especially if you are Putin.
I’m guessing he doesn’t buy much. He just appropriates it from state funds.
What would he ever be able to buy now?
If he cant access the $$$$s, its worthless to him.
CrutyRammers said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
mickk said:
CrutyRammers said:
Drone beats tank.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
I initially thought one guy survived then after that last detonation I changed my mind.https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
I had to doubletake the caption on the left of the screen at the end. Though it read "BORK" which was apt.
J4CKO said:
Thats the point, he has tired of the money, he has more than anyone could ever spend and all the other stuff he could ever buy already.
He's had plenty of money but almost no means to enjoy it.He can't go out in public for fear of being bumped off and he's got to screen all his staff so no one slips him a mickey.
He lives in a cage of his own construct.
Digga said:
J4CKO said:
Thats the point, he has tired of the money, he has more than anyone could ever spend and all the other stuff he could ever buy already.
He's had plenty of money but almost no means to enjoy it.He can't go out in public for fear of being bumped off and he's got to screen all his staff so no one slips him a mickey.
He lives in a cage of his own construct.
CrutyRammers said:
Drone beats tank.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
DJI drones have about a 4 mile max range line of sight, less if transmission is obscured. I've no doubt military ones would need some sort of jammer defence, otherwise it would be simple to detect the drone approach because of wavebands used?https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
We've seen them used in battlefield observation, but the Ukranian use as a weapon has been eye opening for many.
4 bombs dropped? Is this the use of that 3d printed bomb holder?
andy43 said:
I’m betting there are a lot of military people across the globe quietly crapping themselves about what they’re seeing happening with armoured drones. Silent, cheap, accurate, can be operated by anyone. Unless an army can confidently jam them they’re looking like a very serious threat in modern warfare.
I imagine we're going to see lots of smaller, short ranged, precise ground to air defences coming out as a result of this conflict. If the information overlay of that last video is accurate it's hovering 150m above the tank, a 'mini-phalanx' firing normal rifle ammunition would do the job?Derek Smith said:
I, as an inspector, was sent to take a witness statement from a chap. He was a magistrate and did a fair bit for local charities.
He'd sold his business at the age of about 40, then bought a four-bed between-the-wars house in the wilds of Sussex, so not very wild. Lovely views, manageable garden, pool, office come put-you-up in the garden. I took the statement on the patio. He made me coffee from a proper commercial machine with multiple outlets.
He was very pleasant. I asked him why he merited an inspector, and he seemed quite amused. Laughed a lot and seemed to smile for the rest of the time. He was, he said, quite busy - lots of charities I'd learned, mainly children's - but had put a whole morning by for me. He was not in the lodge, but favoured the Round Table.
Statement over, I was enjoying a second coffee and I asked him about himself. He said he'd seen other businessmen [sic] working hard to gain more money than they could ever spend and then collapsing at their desks at the age of 60 or so. Not for him. His needs were not lavish, his wife had her own interests, and he had 'options' should he ever want to do more. He was a qualified football referee.
One child, whom I had been told had learning difficulties, whom I didn't see nor did I ask about.
He'd cracked it in my mind. He knew it as well.
A number of self-made multi-millionaires have been among my business acquaintances, and two in particular whom I knew quite well. One built up his manufacturing business, found a buyer and sailed off into the sunset at age roughly fifty. Wise man, we all thought, and so he was, but the stresses of the build-up period may have had their toll - he had a massive heart attack and died within a year. He was a decent bloke treated badly by the Fates.He'd sold his business at the age of about 40, then bought a four-bed between-the-wars house in the wilds of Sussex, so not very wild. Lovely views, manageable garden, pool, office come put-you-up in the garden. I took the statement on the patio. He made me coffee from a proper commercial machine with multiple outlets.
He was very pleasant. I asked him why he merited an inspector, and he seemed quite amused. Laughed a lot and seemed to smile for the rest of the time. He was, he said, quite busy - lots of charities I'd learned, mainly children's - but had put a whole morning by for me. He was not in the lodge, but favoured the Round Table.
Statement over, I was enjoying a second coffee and I asked him about himself. He said he'd seen other businessmen [sic] working hard to gain more money than they could ever spend and then collapsing at their desks at the age of 60 or so. Not for him. His needs were not lavish, his wife had her own interests, and he had 'options' should he ever want to do more. He was a qualified football referee.
One child, whom I had been told had learning difficulties, whom I didn't see nor did I ask about.
He'd cracked it in my mind. He knew it as well.
The second was a notorious a
hole who would tread on anyone to make his pile, used up suckers as one might socks, and screwed every woman he could smooth talk into his bed. Before he was fifty five he contracted a cancer, and his heart gave up at 55 - possibly damaged by the cancer treatment. Mourned by very few. Neither man lived to enjoy their self-made wealth and it taught me a lesson that even if fortune had smiled on me in monetary terms, I would try to know what was important and what was ephemeral.mickk said:
CrutyRammers said:
Drone beats tank.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
I initially thought one guy survived then after that last detonation I changed my mind.https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
A beer dispenser repurposed to drop grenades...
https://twitter.com/SanhoTree/status/1525546286094...
jsf said:
Evanivitch said:
The remaining Ukrainians are in tunnels. Tunnels need ventilation. Start covering the place with incendiary rounds and soon enough some smoke is sucked into the tunnels...
It has a filter system designed for worse than that.Byker28i said:
DJI drones have about a 4 mile max range line of sight, less if transmission is obscured. I've no doubt military ones would need some sort of jammer defence, otherwise it would be simple to detect the drone approach because of wavebands used?
We've seen them used in battlefield observation, but the Ukranian use as a weapon has been eye opening for many.
4 bombs dropped? Is this the use of that 3d printed bomb holder?
I watched on a UA video, a single grenade attached to a cheap, boggo drone. The type you might buy from Amazon. It flew off and deposited it, with decent accuracy, on a practice target. We've seen them used in battlefield observation, but the Ukranian use as a weapon has been eye opening for many.
4 bombs dropped? Is this the use of that 3d printed bomb holder?
With a Soviet era grenade - a couple of homemade fins attached and $100 drone, you're all set...
MesoForm said:
I imagine we're going to see lots of smaller, short ranged, precise ground to air defences coming out as a result of this conflict. If the information overlay of that last video is accurate it's hovering 150m above the tank, a 'mini-phalanx' firing normal rifle ammunition would do the job?
Yeah, I think drones are going to be very easy to combat. I'm amazed there aren't already established methods.
Byker28i said:
CrutyRammers said:
Drone beats tank.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
DJI drones have about a 4 mile max range line of sight, less if transmission is obscured. I've no doubt military ones would need some sort of jammer defence, otherwise it would be simple to detect the drone approach because of wavebands used?https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525900772508...
I do wonder if we'll see creation of much cheaper, smaller military drones after this, rather than/as well as just the big reapers etc. Given the track record of military procurement, probably not. But they're clearly useful.
We've seen them used in battlefield observation, but the Ukranian use as a weapon has been eye opening for many.
4 bombs dropped? Is this the use of that 3d printed bomb holder?
If anyone wants to see more footage like the above you can always donate directly to the unit
https://aerorozvidka.xyz/Evanivitch said:
jsf said:
Evanivitch said:
The remaining Ukrainians are in tunnels. Tunnels need ventilation. Start covering the place with incendiary rounds and soon enough some smoke is sucked into the tunnels...
It has a filter system designed for worse than that.I'd also imagine a high level of compartmentalisation, with multiple sources of fresh air, etc. that could well cover a much larger area than could be covered by a conventional incendiary attack?
I'm pure armchair private lowest class, but am I the only one drawing parallels with the Siege (I can't remember the name) in France in WW1 where there was a medieval network of tunnels that the French made the Germans fight every last inch of?
Castrol for a knave said:
Byker28i said:
DJI drones have about a 4 mile max range line of sight, less if transmission is obscured. I've no doubt military ones would need some sort of jammer defence, otherwise it would be simple to detect the drone approach because of wavebands used?
We've seen them used in battlefield observation, but the Ukranian use as a weapon has been eye opening for many.
4 bombs dropped? Is this the use of that 3d printed bomb holder?
I watched on a UA video, a single grenade attached to a cheap, boggo drone. The type you might buy from Amazon. It flew off and deposited it, with decent accuracy, on a practice target. We've seen them used in battlefield observation, but the Ukranian use as a weapon has been eye opening for many.
4 bombs dropped? Is this the use of that 3d printed bomb holder?
With a Soviet era grenade - a couple of homemade fins attached and $100 drone, you're all set...
AstonZagato said:
Realise that.
I was more talking generically, pre-war.
He goes to quite some lengths in Russia to hide his wealth.
I don't recall any stories of Putin being on either of his yachts, though the Navalny evidence seems pretty watertight ('scuse pun). I'm sure he must have been on them but I rather doubt he spent more than a few days at a time.
There's a dock at his moldy palace near Sochi, I've seen pics of the yacht in the Bosporus. Putting 2 and 2 together, I suspect he very occasionally used it in the Black Sea. I was more talking generically, pre-war.
He goes to quite some lengths in Russia to hide his wealth.
I don't recall any stories of Putin being on either of his yachts, though the Navalny evidence seems pretty watertight ('scuse pun). I'm sure he must have been on them but I rather doubt he spent more than a few days at a time.
BikeBikeBIke said:
MesoForm said:
I imagine we're going to see lots of smaller, short ranged, precise ground to air defences coming out as a result of this conflict. If the information overlay of that last video is accurate it's hovering 150m above the tank, a 'mini-phalanx' firing normal rifle ammunition would do the job?
Yeah, I think drones are going to be very easy to combat. I'm amazed there aren't already established methods.I think it'll prove the opposite. Swarms of cheap, semi autonomous drones could be very very hard to counter.
andy43 said:
I’m betting there are a lot of military people across the globe quietly crapping themselves about what they’re seeing happening with armoured drones. Silent, cheap, accurate, can be operated by anyone. Unless an army can confidently jam them they’re looking like a very serious threat in modern warfare.
Quietly crapping themselves is probably an overstatement. Working on countermeasures is probably accurate. Drones are slow, short range and not stealthy. They’re incredibly easy to shoot down. The only real challenge is dealing with hordes of very cheap things that would bankrupt you if you used a proper anti air craft missile. I recall in some of the footage from Camp Bastion, the US had taken a ship based CWIS and bolted it to a stand - I think this was for destroying incoming mortars, but the principle is the same.
Again this points to a lack of air superiority. Whoever has superiority should be able to sit there with radar running, spotting these things from 10s of miles away. If you don’t have superiority, then as soon as you turn your radar on, you’re basically broadcasting an EM ‘hit me, here” at maximum volume.
The Ukranians have a massive advantage in that they have invulnerable, cutting edge observation happening just outside their boundaries.
Sway said:
Evanivitch said:
jsf said:
Evanivitch said:
The remaining Ukrainians are in tunnels. Tunnels need ventilation. Start covering the place with incendiary rounds and soon enough some smoke is sucked into the tunnels...
It has a filter system designed for worse than that.I'd also imagine a high level of compartmentalisation, with multiple sources of fresh air, etc. that could well cover a much larger area than could be covered by a conventional incendiary attack?
I'm pure armchair private lowest class, but am I the only one drawing parallels with the Siege (I can't remember the name) in France in WW1 where there was a medieval network of tunnels that the French made the Germans fight every last inch of?
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