Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

[Beati Dogu]

HappyMidget said:

vonuber said:

I've just read that twitter thread about how the EC handled the decision to pay in rubles and it's pretty shameless, especially from the French.

Can someone explain to me like an idiot why the French are so involved? I can get the stance of Germany to a degree given their gas dependance, but France?

Cheese eating surrender monkeys

They're owed big money by Russia for all the nefarious arms sales they've been doing for years. Same reason they opposed the invasion of Iraq.

[vonuber]

jsf said:

French banking sector are up to their eyeballs in Russian Debt, just as they were with Greece when they were about to default and were forced not to, whilst the French got their money back through the "rescue package for Greece".

[mark blyth]It's all about saving the banks folks.[/mark blyth]

Oh i see, that makes sense and also why Macron is performing Putin fellatio.

That image is free for you all, enjoy it.

[PRTVR]

808 Estate said:

Garvin said:

Pretty much. The missile is told where it is and where to go. It can be launched at quite an off bore sight angle, will turn onto the correct course and at a distance before the target switch on its seeker, search and acquire the ‘requested’ target and engage. The tandem shaped charge warhead will ‘shrug off’ any explosive reactive armour and ‘drill’ through any thickness of remaining armour a tank may have.

A Ukrainian youtube video showing the attack, not much difference to the original post but they have highlighted somethings although you cannot understand them, in the comments Boris and the UK gets a lot of praise, so expect another nuclear threat from the Russians .
https://youtu.be/5PMiPjfOFYg

[The Wookie]

808 Estate said:

And definitely before ze Germans get there Tommy

[pingu393]

Beati Dogu said:

HappyMidget said:

vonuber said:

I've just read that twitter thread about how the EC handled the decision to pay in rubles and it's pretty shameless, especially from the French.

Can someone explain to me like an idiot why the French are so involved? I can get the stance of Germany to a degree given their gas dependance, but France?

Cheese eating surrender monkeys

They're owed big money by Russia for all the nefarious arms sales they've been doing for years. Same reason they opposed the invasion of Iraq.

They probably didn't want us finding all the boxes in the Iraqi arms dumps. Tough st - we found them.

[Vasco]

vonuber said:

I've just read that twitter thread about how the EC handled the decision to pay in rubles and it's pretty shameless, especially from the French.

Can someone explain to me like an idiot why the French are so involved? I can get the stance of Germany to a degree given their gas dependance, but France?

What else would you expect from the French - me, me, me........ Is it any wonder that many Brits want little to do with them ?

[hidetheelephants]

vonuber said:

jsf said:

I wouldn't call paying for their vast majority of export income leakage.

So what's the alternative? Turn off the power for a large part of Europe over night? What effect do you think that would have?

Maybe the jolly germans could shift themselves toward actually making a fking effort, like keeping their nuclear kettles lit instead of switching them off for bizarre quasi-religious/political reasons? My reaction is WTF, I don't suppose the average ukrainian reaction is very different. Combine this with the 'golden bridge/off-ramp' bullst being pushed right now the casual observer might wonder who's side Germany is actually on.

Yertis said:

Apologies if this has been covered in the previous thousands of pages. With regard getting the grain out of Ukraine, the ports being blockaded etc, what's stopping them using trains and pulling out that way? I appreciate that Russia has been targeting the railway network with missiles, but keeping a railway line closed for any length of time is actually very difficult (unless you're Network Rail, apparently).

It's really slow moving it by rail, the volume is huge and it practically doubles the price of the grain. Shifting it by towed or powered barges to Constanta where it can be transhipped to full-size bulk carriers is the answer, it's about 24hrs voyage of which 8-10 hrs is in Romanian water. They could be hit with russky ASMs but the cost/benefit for Russia sinking 1000t at a time is poor and with pontoon barges it's questionable how easy they are to sink. With decoy barges, ECM and chaff they might not get any at all.

[vonuber]

More than 1.3 million Ukrainians, including 223,000 children, were forcibly deported to Russia.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3485634-o...

[Garvin]

PRTVR said:

808 Estate said:

Garvin said:

Pretty much. The missile is told where it is and where to go. It can be launched at quite an off bore sight angle, will turn onto the correct course and at a distance before the target switch on its seeker, search and acquire the ‘requested’ target and engage. The tandem shaped charge warhead will ‘shrug off’ any explosive reactive armour and ‘drill’ through any thickness of remaining armour a tank may have.

A Ukrainian youtube video showing the attack, not much difference to the original post but they have highlighted somethings although you cannot understand them, in the comments Boris and the UK gets a lot of praise, so expect another nuclear threat from the Russians .
https://youtu.be/5PMiPjfOFYg

At the very beginning of that video is a static picture of a dual mode Brimstone (the clear dome identifies it) not a Brimstone 1 - I didn’t think UK had supplied the DM version to Ukraine so perhaps they have just picked out an incorrect library picture.

[Art0ir]

Garvin said:

At the very beginning of that video is a static picture of a dual mode Brimstone (the clear dome identifies it) not a Brimstone 1 - I didn’t think UK had supplied the DM version to Ukraine so perhaps they have just picked out an incorrect library picture.

I'm not sure about the image there, but the video they released of them launching the system from a truck is a Sea Spear which is separate development (16KG warhead, DM + Inertial Nav)

[PRTVR]

Garvin said:

PRTVR said:

808 Estate said:

Garvin said:

Pretty much. The missile is told where it is and where to go. It can be launched at quite an off bore sight angle, will turn onto the correct course and at a distance before the target switch on its seeker, search and acquire the ‘requested’ target and engage. The tandem shaped charge warhead will ‘shrug off’ any explosive reactive armour and ‘drill’ through any thickness of remaining armour a tank may have.

A Ukrainian youtube video showing the attack, not much difference to the original post but they have highlighted somethings although you cannot understand them, in the comments Boris and the UK gets a lot of praise, so expect another nuclear threat from the Russians .
https://youtu.be/5PMiPjfOFYg

At the very beginning of that video is a static picture of a dual mode Brimstone (the clear dome identifies it) not a Brimstone 1 - I didn’t think UK had supplied the DM version to Ukraine so perhaps they have just picked out an incorrect library picture.

Quite possibly a incorrect picture, I have some doubts about it's use, it appears very quick to get a complex system up and running,
nevertheless it's boost to the Ukrainians moral and the reduction in the Russians cannot be underestimate .

[FourWheelDrift]

"One of world’s largest and Ukraine's only plant gene bank (established in 1908) in Kharkiv was destroyed by the Russian army. The bank kept 160K+ varieties of plant seeds & hybrids of agricultural crops worldwide, for future generations to be able to restore them"

"It kept more than 160 thousand varieties of plant seeds, and hybrids of agricultural crops, including some of those that no longer exist in Europe and in the entire world."

https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/152665939438...

[HappyMidget]

With regards to the French ignoring sanctions, when I went to Iran a few years ago the main car manufacturer on the roads was Peugeot. They don’t give a fk.

[prand]

vonuber said:

More than 1.3 million Ukrainians, including 223,000 children, were forcibly deported to Russia.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3485634-o...

This is a terrible thing. I can't see how anyone could offer anything to Russia when you add this to the invasion, the RU army behaviour, etc etc I'm not sure I could sit in front of a russian negotiation team and discuss any concessions.

[Garvin]

Art0ir said:

Garvin said:

At the very beginning of that video is a static picture of a dual mode Brimstone (the clear dome identifies it) not a Brimstone 1 - I didn’t think UK had supplied the DM version to Ukraine so perhaps they have just picked out an incorrect library picture.

I'm not sure about the image there, but the video they released of them launching the system from a truck is a Sea Spear which is separate development (16KG warhead, DM + Inertial Nav)

The missiles shown fired in Ukraine are not the DM version, they all had (as per the photos above) an opaque front dome so are single mode radar guided only.

[Beati Dogu]

HappyMidget said:

With regards to the French ignoring sanctions, when I went to Iran a few years ago the main car manufacturer on the roads was Peugeot. They don’t give a fk.

They’re probably made there to be fair. There’s assembly plants in Tehran and Shiraz.

[Art0ir]

Garvin said:

Art0ir said:

Garvin said:

At the very beginning of that video is a static picture of a dual mode Brimstone (the clear dome identifies it) not a Brimstone 1 - I didn’t think UK had supplied the DM version to Ukraine so perhaps they have just picked out an incorrect library picture.

I'm not sure about the image there, but the video they released of them launching the system from a truck is a Sea Spear which is separate development (16KG warhead, DM + Inertial Nav)

The missiles shown fired in Ukraine are not the DM version, they all had (as per the photos above) an opaque front dome so are single mode radar guided only.

This is the video I'm referring to https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1525909891973...

And the Sea Spear demo from a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmYqq3qehDE

[craigjm]

Beati Dogu said:

HappyMidget said:

With regards to the French ignoring sanctions, when I went to Iran a few years ago the main car manufacturer on the roads was Peugeot. They don’t give a fk.

They’re probably made there to be fair. There’s assembly plants in Tehran and Shiraz.

It’s not Peugeot really it’s IKCO that make a few different cars under licence

[Murph7355]

craigjm said:

Beati Dogu said:

HappyMidget said:

With regards to the French ignoring sanctions, when I went to Iran a few years ago the main car manufacturer on the roads was Peugeot. They don’t give a fk.

They’re probably made there to be fair. There’s assembly plants in Tehran and Shiraz.

It’s not Peugeot really it’s IKCO that make a few different cars under licence

Didn't they make Hunters at one point?

[otherman]

The next russian president, Mikhail Khodarenok, telling it how it is. I recommend you read this article, and listen to the full video piece from Russia Today. A remarkable admission of defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61484222