Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

[anonymous-user]

otherman said:

The next russian president, Mikhail Khodarenok, telling it how it is. I recommend you read this article, and listen to the full video piece from Russia Today. A remarkable admission of defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61484222

That didn't just leak out accidentally. There will be a reason this was aired. Preparing the Russian people for some level of defeat?

[stongle]

fblm said:

That didn't just leak out accidentally. There will be a reason this was aired. Preparing the Russian people for some level of defeat?

The blame the West / NATO / free world narrative. Oh well.

Weirdly he didn't quite go down the Millwall route of "everyone hates us and we don't care", but (per the BBC); Russia needs a friend...

[mondeoman]

PRTVR said:

Sway said:

andy_s said:

Jhonno said:

Yertis said:

Apologies if this has been covered in the previous thousands of pages. With regard getting the grain out of Ukraine, the ports being blockaded etc, what's stopping them using trains and pulling out that way? I appreciate that Russia has been targeting the railway network with missiles, but keeping a railway line closed for any length of time is actually very difficult (unless you're Network Rail, apparently).

I think the Russians have been stealing a lot of the grain etc..

https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-masterpla...


There's about 40M tonnes of stored grain [I know!], half of which needs to go before July, which means 'all available routes must now be used' to do that. Exacerbated a little by the change in rail guages of course. The EU, G7, UN et al have all been working on different pressure points with Russia on it I think.

Now this is where the UN really could step in.

However, whatever it takes, get the grain out (that was destined for export). Road/rail/Air and indeed sea - whatever. Realistically, those quantities aren't getting shifted without marine transport. They're just too huge. If that means the UN making it damned clear this is a global humanitarian effort and therefore port access WILL be enabled, fk Putin.

It would appear that Russia is selling the Ukrainian grain if this annoying channel is to be believed.
https://youtu.be/dTGKyDpFvxg

The UN could just repatriate that from the buyer - "you cant have that, its been nicked, its not yours, we're taking it back to its rightful owner. If you want your money back, go talk to Putin"

That could be fun

[WindyCommon]

otherman said:

The next russian president, Mikhail Khodarenok, telling it how it is. I recommend you read this article, and listen to the full video piece from Russia Today. A remarkable admission of defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61484222

What on earth prompts you to suggest this?

[sisu]

Swedish Panserskott 86 (AT-4) launcher exploded in the boot of a car in Mystishchi Russia, it was taken from Ukrainian battlefield by someone as a souvenir. The KIA survived surprisingly well compared to a T-72

[_Al_]

fblm said:

otherman said:

The next russian president, Mikhail Khodarenok, telling it how it is. I recommend you read this article, and listen to the full video piece from Russia Today. A remarkable admission of defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61484222

That didn't just leak out accidentally. There will be a reason this was aired. Preparing the Russian people for some level of defeat?

His essays have been out there a long time. My money says he was brought in and allowed to make those arguments very publicly so the host could put the official position in.

We’re all listening intently to him and dismissing her. The target audience will be doing the opposite.

[anonymous-user]

_Al_ said:

His essays have been out there a long time. My money says he was brought in and allowed to make those arguments very publicly so the host could put the official position in.

We’re all listening intently to him and dismissing her. The target audience will be doing the opposite.

It’ll be the equivalent of wheeling out Jeremy Corbyn on Question Time to critique British military policy.

[Richard-G]

_Al_ said:

His essays have been out there a long time. My money says he was brought in and allowed to make those arguments very publicly so the host could put the official position in.

We’re all listening intently to him and dismissing her. The target audience will be doing the opposite.

This, it's all part of the dance....

[Steve vRS]

sisu said:

Swedish Panserskott 86 (AT-4) launcher exploded in the boot of a car in Mystishchi Russia, it was taken from Ukrainian battlefield by someone as a souvenir. The KIA survived surprisingly well compared to a T-72

Let’s hope the Russians don’t start using Korean SUVs as assault vehicles!!

[Richard-G]

Steve vRS said:

sisu said:

Swedish Panserskott 86 (AT-4) launcher exploded in the boot of a car in Mystishchi Russia, it was taken from Ukrainian battlefield by someone as a souvenir. The KIA survived surprisingly well compared to a T-72

Let’s hope the Russians don’t start using Korean SUVs as assault vehicles!!

That would've been just the missile propellant that caused that mess. If the whole thing had gone it would be just an engine block and a diff remaining.

[sisu]

Richard-G said:

That would've been just the missile propellant that caused that mess. If the whole thing had gone it would be just an engine block and a diff remaining.

True, but it won't be an easy thing to explain to the Mrs why she can't pick up the kids from footy.

[Sway]

_Al_ said:

fblm said:

otherman said:

The next russian president, Mikhail Khodarenok, telling it how it is. I recommend you read this article, and listen to the full video piece from Russia Today. A remarkable admission of defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61484222

That didn't just leak out accidentally. There will be a reason this was aired. Preparing the Russian people for some level of defeat?

His essays have been out there a long time. My money says he was brought in and allowed to make those arguments very publicly so the host could put the official position in.

We’re all listening intently to him and dismissing her. The target audience will be doing the opposite.

Yep. The look of utter disdain bordering on hatred she has on her face when he speaks.

The other panellists looking sheepishly embarrassed.

Unfortunately, he's the equivalent of the ranting loon on Question Time calling for all clothes to be knitted out of yoghurt.

[BikeBikeBIke]

_Al_ said:

His essays have been out there a long time. My money says he was brought in and allowed to make those arguments very publicly so the host could put the official position in.

We’re all listening intently to him and dismissing her. The target audience will be doing the opposite.

Probably, but also Russian propaganda doesn't present you with a coherent picture, its intended to make you think it's not possible to construct a coherent picture so you might as well just trust the government. So a factually/logically accurate assesment added into the bewildering array of nonsense could just be part of the propaganda.

But he is good. In the link I posted before he predicted this whole disaster in detail before the war started.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Wednesday 18th May 07:58

[BikeBikeBIke]

Richard-G said:

That would've been just the missile propellant that caused that mess. If the whole thing had gone it would be just an engine block and a diff remaining.

Unless it was a Toyota or 1990 VW Polo in which case you'd just need to hoover the interior.

[rxe]

Steve vRS said:

Let’s hope the Russians don’t start using Korean SUVs as assault vehicles!!

According to something I read last night, the same car had an NLAW in the back too, discovered by the Russian police. This does rather illustrate the next decades problem - really advanced weaponry is going to leak out of this conflict in large quantities. If you think that 50% of the Russian troops are criminal enough to sell anything they capture to the highest bidder, that’s a lot of kit. And inevitably some will “go missing” on the Ukrainian side.

If the terrorists get their hands on these, it will be impossible protect any high value target in public. Untraceable, line of sight, can kill a tank in 4km, what’s the point of an armoured car these days?

[Bright Halo]

rxe said:

Steve vRS said:

Let’s hope the Russians don’t start using Korean SUVs as assault vehicles!!

According to something I read last night, the same car had an NLAW in the back too, discovered by the Russian police. This does rather illustrate the next decades problem - really advanced weaponry is going to leak out of this conflict in large quantities. If you think that 50% of the Russian troops are criminal enough to sell anything they capture to the highest bidder, that’s a lot of kit. And inevitably some will “go missing” on the Ukrainian side.

If the terrorists get their hands on these, it will be impossible protect any high value target in public. Untraceable, line of sight, can kill a tank in 4km, what’s the point of an armoured car these days?

We (Uk/USA) are a little bit more savvy. British/American tanks have in built defense mechanisms against the type of weapons used to destroy the Russian tanks. Indeed the surprise was we also thought the Russians had better anti NLAW/Stinger defenses than they actually have. Nobody thought they would be so poor.

Edited by Bright Halo on Wednesday 18th May 09:48

[vaud]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Unless it was a Toyota or 1990 VW Polo in which case you'd just need to hoover the interior.

NSFW

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Richard-G said:

Steve vRS said:

sisu said:

Swedish Panserskott 86 (AT-4) launcher exploded in the boot of a car in Mystishchi Russia, it was taken from Ukrainian battlefield by someone as a souvenir. The KIA survived surprisingly well compared to a T-72

Let’s hope the Russians don’t start using Korean SUVs as assault vehicles!!

That would've been just the missile propellant that caused that mess. If the whole thing had gone it would be just an engine block and a diff remaining.

Yep, and that engine block and diff would be about 500m apart.

[Jenny Tailor]

Not sure what to make of that.

The man speaks perfect sense. - but we are not the target audience.

Why was it broadcast?
Is it to soften up the families of the soldiers who have fallen?
Why are so many Russian soldiers dying?

Once the US starts bringing in weaponry en masse ( IIRC they do seem to have a quite a lot ) and providing intellegence to use such weaponry. " Our satellites have pinpointed enemy tanks - here, here and here. Just squeeze that trigger and the missile will do the rest" it will be devasting to Russia.

The military types in the US must be lapping up the intel on the Russian forces capability also.

The whole thing seems to have backfired on Putin.
I can't see many countries/ companies be willing to go back into Russia to trade - given the atrocities that have taken place.
"War's over.... right you are then... let's turn that oil pipeline back on"

Many European countries have had a serious wake up call.

[vaud]

rxe said:

According to something I read last night, the same car had an NLAW in the back too, discovered by the Russian police. This does rather illustrate the next decades problem - really advanced weaponry is going to leak out of this conflict in large quantities. If you think that 50% of the Russian troops are criminal enough to sell anything they capture to the highest bidder, that’s a lot of kit. And inevitably some will “go missing” on the Ukrainian side.

If the terrorists get their hands on these, it will be impossible protect any high value target in public. Untraceable, line of sight, can kill a tank in 4km, what’s the point of an armoured car these days?

If a Russian junior officer has one then you can be sure some terrorists have some.