Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

[Jimmm]

Just read a news article on MSN suggesting Russia have now depleted all their modern equipment. Basically what's in the field now in Ukraine and Syria is everything there is. No modernised reserved equipment remains. Can that even possibly be true? Don't want to link the article if it's just a load of old bks.

[Steve vRS]

Jimmm said:

Just read a news article on MSN suggesting Russia have now depleted all their modern equipment. Basically what's in the field now in Ukraine and Syria is everything there is. No modernised reserved equipment remains. Can that even possibly be true? Don't want to link the article if it's just a load of old bks.

There was something similar in yesterdays Telegraph. It showed pictures of T-60 tanks on a train. Hopefully they are being taken west to become Ukrainian chicken coops.

[b0rk]

Jimmm said:

Just read a news article on MSN suggesting Russia have now depleted all their modern equipment. Basically what's in the field now in Ukraine and Syria is everything there is. No modernised reserved equipment remains. Can that even possibly be true? Don't want to link the article if it's just a load of old bks.

Having read the article its inferring that all other modernised equipment RU have is already committed so no more can be called up. Where they are comitted is unstated but I'd assume for homeland defence.

So the reason very "old" tanks are now being reactivated is that the newer T90's and T72's are not available. There is if you think about this a logic to "why" RU haven't continued to feed modernised armour onto the battlefield.

The bigger question isn't one of armour but the apparent unwillingness (or inability) to use airpower to assert battlefield supremacy.

[HM-2]

b0rk said:

The bigger question isn't one of armour but the apparent unwillingness (or inability) to use airpower to assert battlefield supremacy.

No practical experience or training in Suppression of Enemy Air Defense. High rates of attrition amongst ground attack aircraft due to SAMs. No ability to run complex, coordinated strike packages of more than 5 or so aircraft. No real functional C4ISTAR. No AWACS support for aircraft inside Ukraine. No integration of ground forces and air assets that allows effective target designation. Chain of command too sluggish to enable proper close air support. Risk of shoulder launched anti aircraft missiles so high Russia basically can't operate helicopters anywhere in Ukraine.

The Russian Air Force is the biggest paper tiger of them all.

[saaby93]

France and Germany calling for negotiated settlement

That'll be like the Crimea negotiated settlement - agree to stay where you are for a few years before moving forward again?

[anonymous-user]

saaby93 said:

France and Germany calling for negotiated settlement

Quislings

[CrutyRammers]

saaby93 said:

France and Germany calling for negotiated settlement

That'll be like the Crimea negotiated settlement - agree to stay where you are for a few years before moving forward again?

And given that analysts are predicting that the tide will start to turn in June or July, perfect timing, if you want Russia not to be beaten, that is.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Ukraine launches offensive:

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/15305955186...

[saaby93]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Ukraine launches offensive:

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/15305955186...

Kherson

[dmahon]

speedy_thrills said:

I think we have to be honest and say Russia are slowly pushing the Ukrainians back now. It's brutal and destructive but they are just inching forward.

Without new onus supplying heavy weapons it looks to me like Russia may end up achieving its current objective.

But what happens when they take it? Ukraine will fight and fight so we just have a multi year ongoing conflict against the rubble whilst the sanctions still hold. What constitutes a win for Russia?

[saaby93]

dmahon said:

speedy_thrills said:

I think we have to be honest and say Russia are slowly pushing the Ukrainians back now. It's brutal and destructive but they are just inching forward.

Without new onus supplying heavy weapons it looks to me like Russia may end up achieving its current objective.

But what happens when they take it? Ukraine will fight and fight so we just have a multi year ongoing conflict against the rubble whilst the sanctions still hold. What constitutes a win for Russia?

With most of the place flattened havent most Ukrainians left?
= no ongoing fighting

[BikeBikeBIke]

dmahon said:

But what happens when they take it? Ukraine will fight and fight so we just have a multi year ongoing conflict against the rubble whilst the sanctions still hold. What constitutes a win for Russia?

Agree. A win for Russia was installing a puppet government in hours which looked to the world like a coup with some outside assistance. Fait accomplis before the West woke up and a few token sanctions.

All Russia can achieve now is disputed territory and an endless insurgency. And the cost of that pyrrhic victory....

[craigjm]

Russia has announced it has dropped the age limit of 40 for men to join the military

[Hereward]

craigjm said:

Russia has announced it has dropped the age limit of 40 for men to join the military

Dad's Army.

No need for Sweden and Finland to join NATO, Russia's front line / top tier conventional forces no longer exist. What an astonishing few months it has been. Sure, they could possibly grind out some sort of territorial "win" in Ukraine but they won't be invading anyone else in a hurry.

[anonymous-user]

Wow!

That speaks volumes about the state of RU army

[pingu393]

Are Russia supplying warm baths and masseurs to ease the aching muscles of these old farts?

[EddieSteadyGo]

About 2 weeks ago some were wondering if Israel might be persuaded to send their 'iron dome' system to help Ukraine.

This article should hopefully clarify the reality of that idea.

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/israel-rejects-sp...

[vonuber]

Ukrainian airforce is still up and about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/uzvie3/u...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/uzm139/u...

[Cobnapint]

digimeistter said:

Wow!

That speaks volumes about the state of RU army

A shadow of those that steadfastly fought the 'real' Nazis in WW2.
What an embarrassment. The Russian Bear has been stuffed.

[sisu]

digimeistter said:

Wow!

That speaks volumes about the state of RU army

This is Ukraine, a country that bought and is using ex Russian equipment for key areas of its Military.

The concern that they are "managing" equipment going to the front three months into this. People have said the Russians will grind them down thinking this is Desert Stormski. But the Iraqis were using the T-62s not the Americans.