Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe has UK passport returned, MP says.
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
What situation did she put herself in?
She had every right to go to Iran.
As far as she was aware, there was no reason not to. She had no beef with the regime and as far as she was aware, they had no beef with her. British people travel to and from Iran - it's not banned.
How was she to know that the UK government were reneging on a legally binding contract?
I never said she had no right to travel to Iran. But when you do so as an Iranian citizen, if you get into bother the expectation of assistance from the UK govt should be precisely zero.She had every right to go to Iran.
As far as she was aware, there was no reason not to. She had no beef with the regime and as far as she was aware, they had no beef with her. British people travel to and from Iran - it's not banned.
How was she to know that the UK government were reneging on a legally binding contract?
The UK govt reneged over 40yrs ago. I'm pretty sure Iranian citizens would have been pretty aware of their history , especially at such a turbulent time in it. And especially journalists?
Eric Mc said:
What situation did she put herself in?
She had every right to go to Iran.
As far as she was aware, there was no reason not to. She had no beef with the regime and as far as she was aware, they had no beef with her. British people travel to and from Iran - it's not banned.
How was she to know that the UK government were reneging on a legally binding contract?
She is not British, she is Iranian, Iran does not recognize duel nationalities.She had every right to go to Iran.
As far as she was aware, there was no reason not to. She had no beef with the regime and as far as she was aware, they had no beef with her. British people travel to and from Iran - it's not banned.
How was she to know that the UK government were reneging on a legally binding contract?
armchair expert said:
She is not British, she is Iranian, Iran does not recognize duel nationalities.
I'm not sure anywhere technically does when travelling to one of the places you hold nationality (ie if you are dual UK/US, you travel on your UK passport when coming to the UK, and your US one when going to the US). Always felt dual nationality a bit of a daft idea myself...(btw, this is PH It's "dual"
).I've just listened to all but the last few mins of the R4 interview. Uncharacteristically sympathetic effort by Emma Barnett. Unless it was covered in the last bit, I'm still none the wiser as to why Ms Z.R. thinks:
A. The Iranians targeted her in particula, and
B. Why BoJo mistakenly said she was training journalists.
That latter point seems to have been brushed over by the BBC since the beginning. It's a weirdly specific mistake for him to have made.
A. The Iranians targeted her in particula, and
B. Why BoJo mistakenly said she was training journalists.
That latter point seems to have been brushed over by the BBC since the beginning. It's a weirdly specific mistake for him to have made.
768 said:
It's the UK government's fault?
Simplistic comment in the extreme.The reneging of the contract is absolutely 100% the UK government's fault.
The seizing of Ms Radcliffe in retaliation was absolutely 100% the Iranian government's fault.
Making the situation worse by making inane and dumb comments was absolutely 100% Boris Johnson's fault.
Eric Mc said:
PH disgusts me sometimes.
Victim blaming is rife here - especially if the victim is female.
Some PHers should be ashamed of themselves.
Behave yourself.Victim blaming is rife here - especially if the victim is female.
Some PHers should be ashamed of themselves.
A foreign national gets arrested abroad and it's the sitting UK govt's fault? Keep taking the meds.
1) it's the Iranian govt's fault for taking hostages
2) it's every UK govt's fault who failed to pay the ransom owed
3) it's the individual's fault for not assessing the risks properly
If the victim has some fault to bear, "victim blaming" is perfectly acceptable.
Eric Mc said:
Simplistic comment in the extreme.
The reneging of the contract is absolutely 100% the UK government's fault.
The seizing of Ms Radcliffe in retaliation was absolutely 100% the Iranian government's fault.
Making the situation worse by making inane and dumb comments was absolutely 100% Boris Johnson's fault.
Is it possible that the two incidents were never connected until someone had the idea to make them so? Is it possible that we don't know the whole truth about this story? The reneging of the contract is absolutely 100% the UK government's fault.
The seizing of Ms Radcliffe in retaliation was absolutely 100% the Iranian government's fault.
Making the situation worse by making inane and dumb comments was absolutely 100% Boris Johnson's fault.
Eric Mc said:
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Making the situation worse by making inane and dumb comments...
No matter how often this is repeated, it does not alter the logical evidence demonstrating it as untrue.Making the situation worse by making inane and dumb comments...
His comments made precisely no difference. Two others who he did not comment on were released at the same time.
The only thing that changed the situation was the payment. Once that was made, all three were released.
Eric Mc said:
PH disgusts me sometimes.
Whether you're right or wrong, this is a bit funny. You've been on pistonheads a long time, probably about the same as me and have something like ten times the number of posts as the average person who has been on that long.Admit it, nothing about pistonheads disgusts you. You love it.
julian64 said:
Whether you're right or wrong, this is a bit funny. You've been on pistonheads a long time, probably about the same as me and have something like ten times the number of posts as the average person who has been on that long.
Admit it, nothing about pistonheads disgusts you. You love it.
There’s always a sort of, ahem, “type”, who get “disgusted”! Admit it, nothing about pistonheads disgusts you. You love it.
Ian Geary said:
Every grown up knows the Iranian govt are corrupt - not your Westminster bit of birthday cake and nominating a friend for a contract corrupt, but properly corrupt with no accountability, kidnapping, false imprisonment and torture.
If you think western governments are above doing any of that then I think you're being very naive.The Iranian Govt. aren't great but they're probably one of the better ones in the ME and certainly better than various regimes whose arses our govt licks ona regular basis.
Johnnytheboy said:
I've just listened to all but the last few mins of the R4 interview. Uncharacteristically sympathetic effort by Emma Barnett. Unless it was covered in the last bit, I'm still none the wiser as to why Ms Z.R. thinks:
A. The Iranians targeted her in particula, and
B. Why BoJo mistakenly said she was training journalists.
That latter point seems to have been brushed over by the BBC since the beginning. It's a weirdly specific mistake for him to have made.
Not to have a go at you but we do go over this every now and then.A. The Iranians targeted her in particula, and
B. Why BoJo mistakenly said she was training journalists.
That latter point seems to have been brushed over by the BBC since the beginning. It's a weirdly specific mistake for him to have made.
She HAD trained Iranian journalists here in the UK and that was the "crime" the Iranian authorities arrested and convicted her for. Then go forward a bit and this was one of the cases Bojo was being quizzed about as FS. Whereupon he said that this is what she had been convicted for. Then add on the usual media hysteria from outlets who these days cannot even be bothered to check basic facts.
By the by several graduates of the course she had worked on were sentenced to 11 years in jail prior to her visit in 2016. So her visit seems extremely foolhardy in that context.
Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 24th May 11:53
julian64 said:
Whether you're right or wrong, this is a bit funny. You've been on pistonheads a long time, probably about the same as me and have something like ten times the number of posts as the average person who has been on that long.
Admit it, nothing about pistonheads disgusts you. You love it.
I did say "sometimes" Admit it, nothing about pistonheads disgusts you. You love it.
Most of the time, I enjoy it.JagLover said:
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By the by several graduates of the course she had worked for were sentenced to 11 years in jail prior to her visit in 2016. So her visit seems extremely foolhardy in that context.
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Using the same standards as she wishes to use for the UK govt, is she to blame for their incarceration? After all, the students can't be as victim blaming is disgusting.... By the by several graduates of the course she had worked for were sentenced to 11 years in jail prior to her visit in 2016. So her visit seems extremely foolhardy in that context.
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