Military Losses in the Ukraine

[Jake899]

Sourced from the excellent Oryx blog, I will input the basic data here and try to keep it regularly updated.
The Oryx team only list losses that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, I.e. there is video or photographic evidence of the loss. By all means Google the Oryx blog and check these individual losses for yourselves. But for the general ease of it I will post the totals of both sides here.

[Jake899]

Russian losses as of Monday 28th of March:

310 tanks
229 armoured fighting vehicles
303 infantry fighting vehicles
77 armoured personnel carriers
12 Mine Resistant ambush protected vehicles
65 infantry mobility vehicles
12 communications stations
60 engineering vehicles and equipment
63 anti tank guided missiles
24 Man Portable Air Defence systems
42 towed artillery
60 self propelled artillery
34 multiple rocket launchers
3 anti aircraft guns
9 self propelled anti aircraft guns
40 surface to air missile systems
3 radars
6 jammers and deception systems
16 aircraft
36 helicopters
16 UAVs
3 Naval ships
2 logistics trains
640 jeeps, trucks and vehicles

[Marumi]

I saw a great stat that Ukraine has captured so many Russian tanks, that it might actually have more than it started with.

[anonymous-user]

Good. Although it will take them decades to recover, Putin's tank scrap metal will hopefully be a start.

[Jake899]

Ukrainian losses as of 28th March:

79 tanks
60 Armoured fighting vehicles
60 infantry fighting vehicles
29 Armoured Personnel Carriers
32 infantry mobility vehicles
7 engineering vehicles
51 antitank guided missiles
16 Man portable Air Defence Systems
25 Towed Artillery
16 Self Propelled Artillery
6 Multiple Rocket Launchers
2 Anti-aircraft guns
1 Self Propelled Anti-aircraft gun
21 Surface to Air missile launchers
10 Radars
12 Aircraft
1 Helicopter
9 UAVs
13 Naval ships
186 trucks, jeeps and other vehicles

[Jake899]

Mr Spoon said:

Good. Although it will take them decades to recover, Putin's tank scrap metal will hopefully be a start.

Not really sadly. Most destroyed vehicles have been struck with armour piercing rounds, the dense depleted uranium projectiles making short work of thick armour but in doing so, liberally coating the vehicle remains and the surrounding area in radioactive material. As discovered by the massive rise in birth defects after the middle eastern wars. Nobody wins in war, not the scrap man and not the scrap man’s children.

[Jake899]

Marumi said:

I saw a great stat that Ukraine has captured so many Russian tanks, that it might actually have more than it started with.

When I get a moment I’ll tally up the materiel that has been captured by Ukrainian forces from the Russian military. However, it won’t tell us what’s intact, what can be repaired, and what will be harvested for spares and discarded. But you’re right, its a significant number or equipment.

[RizzoTheRat]

Most have been hit with missiles like NLAW, Javelin and MAM-L rather than kinetic rounds haven't they?

ETA: I'm guessing thier tanks have DU sabot rounds but have there been that many tank on tank engagements?

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Monday 28th March 13:34

[Byker28i]

Jake899 said:

Ukrainian/russian losses as of 28th March

Source?

[mcdjl]

	Ukraine	Russia
tanks	79	310
armoured fighting vehicles	60	229
infantry fighting vehicles	60	303
armoured personnel carriers	29	77
Mine Resistant ambush protected vehicles		12
infantry mobility vehicles	32	65
communications stations		12
engineering vehicles and equipment	7	60
anti tank guided missiles	51	63
Man Portable Air Defence systems	16	24
towed artillery	25	42
self propelled artillery	16	60
multiple rocket launchers	6	34
Anti aircraft guns	2	3
Self propelled anti aircraft guns	1	9
surface to air missile systems	21	40
Radars	10	3
Jammers and deception systems		6
aircraft	12	16
helicopters	1	36
UAVs	9	16
Naval ships	13	3
Logistics trains		2
jeeps, trucks and vehicles	186	640

[Bigends]

Jake899 said:

Mr Spoon said:

Good. Although it will take them decades to recover, Putin's tank scrap metal will hopefully be a start.

Not really sadly. Most destroyed vehicles have been struck with armour piercing rounds, the dense depleted uranium projectiles making short work of thick armour but in doing so, liberally coating the vehicle remains and the surrounding area in radioactive material. As discovered by the massive rise in birth defects after the middle eastern wars. Nobody wins in war, not the scrap man and not the scrap man’s children.

Itll depend on the type of round used

[Jake899]

mcdjl said:

= =||= Ukraine=||= Russia =||

tanks	79	310
armoured fighting vehicles	60	229
infantry fighting vehicles	60	303
armoured personnel carriers	29	77
Mine Resistant ambush protected vehicles		12
infantry mobility vehicles	32	65
communications stations		12
engineering vehicles and equipment	7	60
anti tank guided missiles	51	63
Man Portable Air Defence systems	16	24
towed artillery	25	42
self propelled artillery	16	60
multiple rocket launchers	6	34
Anti aircraft guns	2	3
Self propelled anti aircraft guns	1	9
surface to air missile systems	21	40
Radars	10	3
Jammers and deception systems		6
aircraft	12	16
helicopters	1	36
UAVs	9	16
Naval ships	13	3
Logistics trains		2
jeeps, trucks and vehicles	186	640

Ooh lovely! You clever chap, you, thanks.

[Jake899]

Byker28i said:

Source?

Please read the first post.
You can Google “Oryx Ukraine”
On that excellent resource you will find a curated list of losses, with a link to a source showing the individual items loss.

[Jake899]

Russian materiel captured by Ukrainian forces (and farmers)
Tanks: 131
Armoured Fighting Vehicles 87
Infantry Fighting Vehicles 107
Armoured Personnel Carriers 41
Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles 5
Infantry Mobility Vehicles 20
Communication Stations 5
Engineering Vehicles and Equipment 31
Anti-tank Guided Missiles 39
Man portable air defense systems 24
Heavy Mortars 8
Towed Artillery 27
Self propelled artillery 24
Multiple Rocket Launchers 15
Anti-aircraft artillery 3
Self propelled Anti-aircraft artillery 1
Surface to Air Missile Systems 12
Radars 2
Jammers and deception systems 2
UAVs 5
Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps 185

Would anyone intelligent like to put that into an excel and find the percentages?
It’s an army on its own, isn’t it.

[Byker28i]

Jake899 said:

Byker28i said:

Source?

Please read the first post.
You can Google “Oryx Ukraine”
On that excellent resource you will find a curated list of losses, with a link to a source showing the individual items loss.

TA - interesting thanks

[mcdjl]

That looks like:

Item	Lost by Ukraine	Lost by Russia	Captured by Ukraine	Captured by Russia
tanks	79	310	131
armoured fighting vehicles	60	229	87
infantry fighting vehicles	60	303	107
armoured personnel carriers	29	77	41
Mine Resistant ambush protected vehicles		12	5
infantry mobility vehicles	32	65	20
communications stations		12	5
engineering vehicles and equipment	7	60	31
anti tank guided missiles	51	63	39
Man Portable Air Defence systems	16	24	24
towed artillery	25	42	27
self propelled artillery	16	60	24
multiple rocket launchers	6	34	15
Anti aircraft guns	2	3	3
Self propelled anti aircraft guns	1	9	1
surface to air missile systems	21	40	12
Radars	10	3	2
Jammers and deception systems		6
aircraft	12	16	2
helicopters	1	36
UAVs	9	16	5
Naval ships	13	3
Logistics trains		2
jeeps, trucks and vehicles	186	640	185
Heavy motars			8

[Siko]

Great thread thank you

You wonder how any country can stomach those level of losses for a cause that is probably not worth it to the vast majority of those dying, unlike for the plucky and fearless Ukrainians. I'm just reading a book about the Soviet Experience in Afghanistan in the 80s "Zinky Boys" (so named because they came home in Zinc coffins...) and you realise they totally covered up the scale of their larger losses (albeit over a longer timeframe) even then - troops weren't told they were being sent to Afghanistan and when they were killed, it was forbidden to have any comment about where they died on their tombstone, with many burials having taken place at night and no dedicated grave space for dead soldiers. The Russians interviewed in the book repeat that that they just didn't know they were going there (or rarely knew their relatives were there) and often were just told afterwards that they were dead and had been buried.

I guess that a similar thing is happening even now and the Russians are more aware than their fathers were in the 80s, but not of the true scale of the catastrophe. Plus ca change.......

[Jake899]

mcdjl said:

That looks like:

Item	Lost by Ukraine	Lost by Russia	Captured by Ukraine	Captured by Russia
tanks	79	310	131
armoured fighting vehicles	60	229	87
infantry fighting vehicles	60	303	107
armoured personnel carriers	29	77	41
Mine Resistant ambush protected vehicles		12	5
infantry mobility vehicles	32	65	20
communications stations		12	5
engineering vehicles and equipment	7	60	31
anti tank guided missiles	51	63	39
Man Portable Air Defence systems	16	24	24
towed artillery	25	42	27
self propelled artillery	16	60	24
multiple rocket launchers	6	34	15
Anti aircraft guns	2	3	3
Self propelled anti aircraft guns	1	9	1
surface to air missile systems	21	40	12
Radars	10	3	2
Jammers and deception systems		6
aircraft	12	16	2
helicopters	1	36
UAVs	9	16	5
Naval ships	13	3
Logistics trains		2
jeeps, trucks and vehicles	186	640	185
Heavy motars			8

Excellent buddy thanks.
A quick look at the data shows missile systems and aircraft are really the only net loss for the Ukraine, in most other factors the proportions are moving in their favour. Let’s remember that captured DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN USEABLE. The Ukrainians may not be able to repair, service or rearm Russian war booty.
The aircraft and missile systems are also the highest strategic value items and the hardest to replace. The fact that these are not being captured indicates they are being destroyed by precision strikes from afar rather than overrun on the ground, and the media reports certainly back that up.
On the positive side, both sides use a majority of these weapons (although in different iterations) so many parts, systems, ammunition and training will be interchangeable.
For example both Ukraine and Russia operate the T-64 and T72 tanks, so Ukrainian tank crews should be able to jump straight in and go. However many of the Russian T-72 tanks are “B” or newer models. I am a tank ignoramus but if aircraft are anything to go by, I expect targeting systems, radios etc will be quite different and take some training to use efficiently.

[Catatafish]

Really fascinating, thanks.

Important to include both sides with this discourse.

It's really insane the tactics deployed, or lack of them, comms practice etc. by the russkis.

[Jake899]

I personally don’t think its insane or a surprise. Taking control of a country the size of the Ukraine with a hostile population is very, very hard.
It’s no surprise the Russians have struggled, and no bad reflection on the average Russian soldier.
It seems to be true that the Russians underestimated the Ukrainians, but it all needs to put into the context of what the Russian goal is here, and we simply do not know. So its hard to say whether they have failed or not. But they certainly haven’t impressed.