UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda
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Home Secretary Suella Braverman is back in Rwanda today, to further her cause in removing asylum seekers here.
It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
rjfp1962 said:
Home Secretary Suella Braverman is back in Rwanda today, to further her cause in removing asylum seekers here.
It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
According to the report the only media selected is GBnews. It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
Mrr T said:
rjfp1962 said:
Home Secretary Suella Braverman is back in Rwanda today, to further her cause in removing asylum seekers here.
It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
According to the report the only media selected is GBnews. It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
rjfp1962 said:
Mrr T said:
rjfp1962 said:
Home Secretary Suella Braverman is back in Rwanda today, to further her cause in removing asylum seekers here.
It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
According to the report the only media selected is GBnews. It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
rjfp1962 said:
Home Secretary Suella Braverman is back in Rwanda today, to further her cause in removing asylum seekers here.
It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
Is she checking out the accommodation?It's notable that the media travelling with her have been carefully "selected".... the BBC being one outlet not invited..!
https://www.gbnews.com/suella-braverman-takes-aim-...
Such a distraction story. Half a million people legally came here the last year.
Apparently we were told there could be energy shortages or powercuts due to ukraine etc. Surely half a million people will be using these scarce uk resources?
None of the half a million people that have arrived seem to be any use, as we have had to relax the requirments so some people from europe that can actually do useful things may come back.
But 200 people to Rwanda will solve it all.
Apparently we were told there could be energy shortages or powercuts due to ukraine etc. Surely half a million people will be using these scarce uk resources?
None of the half a million people that have arrived seem to be any use, as we have had to relax the requirments so some people from europe that can actually do useful things may come back.
But 200 people to Rwanda will solve it all.
Private firms profiting from UK asylum hotels
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234
Private firms are making increased profits as the government pays millions of pounds a day to put up asylum seekers in the UK, the BBC has learned.
BBC News has been told 395 hotels are being used to house asylum seekers, as arrivals to the UK rose last year.
Documents show one booking agency used by the Home Office trebled its pre-tax profits from £2.1m to £6.3m in the 12 months up to February 2022.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/50...
Tens of thousands of asylum claimants are staying in approximately 200 hotels, alongside an unknown number in hostels. With asylum-related hotel provision rising amidst a mounting case backlog and record dinghy crossings, the cost of such hotel accommodation to taxpayers is nearly £1.3 billion per year – over a billion more than the forecast of up to £70 million that was issued by the government in March 2021. The result is that private sector providers are now being handed ever-ballooning amounts of taxpayer money - over and above even their substantial 2019 contracted amounts - to place asylum seekers into hotels, at an estimated cost of nearly £4,300 per asylum seeker per month. That is 1.5 times the average monthly pay for an NHS nurse (£2,782).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234
Private firms are making increased profits as the government pays millions of pounds a day to put up asylum seekers in the UK, the BBC has learned.
BBC News has been told 395 hotels are being used to house asylum seekers, as arrivals to the UK rose last year.
Documents show one booking agency used by the Home Office trebled its pre-tax profits from £2.1m to £6.3m in the 12 months up to February 2022.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/50...
Tens of thousands of asylum claimants are staying in approximately 200 hotels, alongside an unknown number in hostels. With asylum-related hotel provision rising amidst a mounting case backlog and record dinghy crossings, the cost of such hotel accommodation to taxpayers is nearly £1.3 billion per year – over a billion more than the forecast of up to £70 million that was issued by the government in March 2021. The result is that private sector providers are now being handed ever-ballooning amounts of taxpayer money - over and above even their substantial 2019 contracted amounts - to place asylum seekers into hotels, at an estimated cost of nearly £4,300 per asylum seeker per month. That is 1.5 times the average monthly pay for an NHS nurse (£2,782).
robinessex said:
Private firms profiting from UK asylum hotels
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234
Private firms are making increased profits as the government pays millions of pounds a day to put up asylum seekers in the UK, the BBC has learned.
BBC News has been told 395 hotels are being used to house asylum seekers, as arrivals to the UK rose last year.
Documents show one booking agency used by the Home Office trebled its pre-tax profits from £2.1m to £6.3m in the 12 months up to February 2022.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/50...
Tens of thousands of asylum claimants are staying in approximately 200 hotels, alongside an unknown number in hostels. With asylum-related hotel provision rising amidst a mounting case backlog and record dinghy crossings, the cost of such hotel accommodation to taxpayers is nearly £1.3 billion per year – over a billion more than the forecast of up to £70 million that was issued by the government in March 2021. The result is that private sector providers are now being handed ever-ballooning amounts of taxpayer money - over and above even their substantial 2019 contracted amounts - to place asylum seekers into hotels, at an estimated cost of nearly £4,300 per asylum seeker per month. That is 1.5 times the average monthly pay for an NHS nurse (£2,782).
Those figures dont mean much unless we know what the hotels would have generated as profit etc under full occupancy at market rates. I struggle to believe that the Gov't dont have a discount, but then again their track record of sensible procurement isn't greathttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234
Private firms are making increased profits as the government pays millions of pounds a day to put up asylum seekers in the UK, the BBC has learned.
BBC News has been told 395 hotels are being used to house asylum seekers, as arrivals to the UK rose last year.
Documents show one booking agency used by the Home Office trebled its pre-tax profits from £2.1m to £6.3m in the 12 months up to February 2022.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/50...
Tens of thousands of asylum claimants are staying in approximately 200 hotels, alongside an unknown number in hostels. With asylum-related hotel provision rising amidst a mounting case backlog and record dinghy crossings, the cost of such hotel accommodation to taxpayers is nearly £1.3 billion per year – over a billion more than the forecast of up to £70 million that was issued by the government in March 2021. The result is that private sector providers are now being handed ever-ballooning amounts of taxpayer money - over and above even their substantial 2019 contracted amounts - to place asylum seekers into hotels, at an estimated cost of nearly £4,300 per asylum seeker per month. That is 1.5 times the average monthly pay for an NHS nurse (£2,782).
Interesting and informative
said:
Peter Hitchens challenged people (Gary Lineker in particular) to justify why Gary had said that he thought the language being used around asylum seekers/boat people (etc) was 'not dissimilar' (Gary's words) to that of Germany in the 1930s.
Note: Gary said 'not dissimilar' ie he wasn't claiming that it was identical. And he said 1930s,
which to be clear is not the 1940s.
I've assembled a short checklist: Rhetoric around citizenship and taking citizenship away from people eg Shamima Begum and
Windrush generation. 'Fremdenrecht' is a pre-Nazi idea but adopted by the Nazis to remove German citizenship from German Jews.
Removal of citizenship was called 'Ausbürgerung: By repeatedly declaring people 'illegal' before they've been tried, is 'not dissimilar to "Willensstrafrecht'. This was a punishment for criminal intent, not the crime itself. The law was called 'Täterstrafrecht'.
'Madagaskarplan' - the plan to ship Jews to Madagascar.
The idea of shipping "unwanted' people to other another country 'not dissimilar to the Rwanda scheme.
As an aside, the press have called shipping people to Rwanda as the 'Rwanda Plan' or the 'Rwanda Asylum Plan', unknowingly imitating 'Madagaskarplan', perhaps? Don't know if Ms SB
has expressed it as that.
Perhaps not.
Ms Braverman has used the phrase 'cultural Marxism'. This owes its origins to the Nazis' word 'Kulturbolschewismus' though Ms Braverman may only personally know its roots to US politics.
Ms Braverman and her colleagues are engaged in some kind of culture war(s). This is 'not dissimilar to the 'Kulturkrieg' which started before the Nazis but was very much engaged in by
the Nazis.
'60,000RM kostet dieser Erbkranke die Volksgemeinschaft auf Lebenzeit. Volksgenosse das ist auch dein Geld" = "This hereditarily ill person will cost our national community 60,000 Reichmarks over the course of his lifetime. Citizen, this is your money." This is an example of people seen as 'costing us!
Ms Braverman's persistent labelling of migrants as criminal (and/or the traffickers') even though many migrants are granted asylum is 'not dissimilar' to the Nazis' adoption of 'Asoziale' (noun) ('Asocials') which created a category of perpetual criminality in people.
The Nazi word 'Fremdmoral". "Fremd' translates roughly as 'alien'. The Nazis believed that lesser, foreign people had worse morals. Suella Braverman says police chiefs have told her "that drug supply... is now connected to people who came here on small boats illegally".
Note: Gary said 'not dissimilar' ie he wasn't claiming that it was identical. And he said 1930s,
which to be clear is not the 1940s.
I've assembled a short checklist: Rhetoric around citizenship and taking citizenship away from people eg Shamima Begum and
Windrush generation. 'Fremdenrecht' is a pre-Nazi idea but adopted by the Nazis to remove German citizenship from German Jews.
Removal of citizenship was called 'Ausbürgerung: By repeatedly declaring people 'illegal' before they've been tried, is 'not dissimilar to "Willensstrafrecht'. This was a punishment for criminal intent, not the crime itself. The law was called 'Täterstrafrecht'.
'Madagaskarplan' - the plan to ship Jews to Madagascar.
The idea of shipping "unwanted' people to other another country 'not dissimilar to the Rwanda scheme.
As an aside, the press have called shipping people to Rwanda as the 'Rwanda Plan' or the 'Rwanda Asylum Plan', unknowingly imitating 'Madagaskarplan', perhaps? Don't know if Ms SB
has expressed it as that.
Perhaps not.
Ms Braverman has used the phrase 'cultural Marxism'. This owes its origins to the Nazis' word 'Kulturbolschewismus' though Ms Braverman may only personally know its roots to US politics.
Ms Braverman and her colleagues are engaged in some kind of culture war(s). This is 'not dissimilar to the 'Kulturkrieg' which started before the Nazis but was very much engaged in by
the Nazis.
'60,000RM kostet dieser Erbkranke die Volksgemeinschaft auf Lebenzeit. Volksgenosse das ist auch dein Geld" = "This hereditarily ill person will cost our national community 60,000 Reichmarks over the course of his lifetime. Citizen, this is your money." This is an example of people seen as 'costing us!
Ms Braverman's persistent labelling of migrants as criminal (and/or the traffickers') even though many migrants are granted asylum is 'not dissimilar' to the Nazis' adoption of 'Asoziale' (noun) ('Asocials') which created a category of perpetual criminality in people.
The Nazi word 'Fremdmoral". "Fremd' translates roughly as 'alien'. The Nazis believed that lesser, foreign people had worse morals. Suella Braverman says police chiefs have told her "that drug supply... is now connected to people who came here on small boats illegally".
First question being asked by prospective hotel clients ‘are you providing accommodation to migrants under the Governments housing scheme?’ It’s not only hotels that are being used, it’s also
retirement villages, holiday centres, military bases. Anywhere at any cost both in financial and Social terms.
retirement villages, holiday centres, military bases. Anywhere at any cost both in financial and Social terms.
cirian75 said:
Interesting and informative
Does he support people trafficking ? said:
Peter Hitchens challenged people (Gary Lineker in particular) to justify why Gary had said that he thought the language being used around asylum seekers/boat people (etc) was 'not dissimilar' (Gary's words) to that of Germany in the 1930s.
Note: Gary said 'not dissimilar' ie he wasn't claiming that it was identical. And he said 1930s,
which to be clear is not the 1940s.
I've assembled a short checklist: Rhetoric around citizenship and taking citizenship away from people eg Shamima Begum and
Windrush generation. 'Fremdenrecht' is a pre-Nazi idea but adopted by the Nazis to remove German citizenship from German Jews.
Removal of citizenship was called 'Ausbürgerung: By repeatedly declaring people 'illegal' before they've been tried, is 'not dissimilar to "Willensstrafrecht'. This was a punishment for criminal intent, not the crime itself. The law was called 'Täterstrafrecht'.
'Madagaskarplan' - the plan to ship Jews to Madagascar.
The idea of shipping "unwanted' people to other another country 'not dissimilar to the Rwanda scheme.
As an aside, the press have called shipping people to Rwanda as the 'Rwanda Plan' or the 'Rwanda Asylum Plan', unknowingly imitating 'Madagaskarplan', perhaps? Don't know if Ms SB
has expressed it as that.
Perhaps not.
Ms Braverman has used the phrase 'cultural Marxism'. This owes its origins to the Nazis' word 'Kulturbolschewismus' though Ms Braverman may only personally know its roots to US politics.
Ms Braverman and her colleagues are engaged in some kind of culture war(s). This is 'not dissimilar to the 'Kulturkrieg' which started before the Nazis but was very much engaged in by
the Nazis.
'60,000RM kostet dieser Erbkranke die Volksgemeinschaft auf Lebenzeit. Volksgenosse das ist auch dein Geld" = "This hereditarily ill person will cost our national community 60,000 Reichmarks over the course of his lifetime. Citizen, this is your money." This is an example of people seen as 'costing us!
Ms Braverman's persistent labelling of migrants as criminal (and/or the traffickers') even though many migrants are granted asylum is 'not dissimilar' to the Nazis' adoption of 'Asoziale' (noun) ('Asocials') which created a category of perpetual criminality in people.
The Nazi word 'Fremdmoral". "Fremd' translates roughly as 'alien'. The Nazis believed that lesser, foreign people had worse morals. Suella Braverman says police chiefs have told her "that drug supply... is now connected to people who came here on small boats illegally".
Note: Gary said 'not dissimilar' ie he wasn't claiming that it was identical. And he said 1930s,
which to be clear is not the 1940s.
I've assembled a short checklist: Rhetoric around citizenship and taking citizenship away from people eg Shamima Begum and
Windrush generation. 'Fremdenrecht' is a pre-Nazi idea but adopted by the Nazis to remove German citizenship from German Jews.
Removal of citizenship was called 'Ausbürgerung: By repeatedly declaring people 'illegal' before they've been tried, is 'not dissimilar to "Willensstrafrecht'. This was a punishment for criminal intent, not the crime itself. The law was called 'Täterstrafrecht'.
'Madagaskarplan' - the plan to ship Jews to Madagascar.
The idea of shipping "unwanted' people to other another country 'not dissimilar to the Rwanda scheme.
As an aside, the press have called shipping people to Rwanda as the 'Rwanda Plan' or the 'Rwanda Asylum Plan', unknowingly imitating 'Madagaskarplan', perhaps? Don't know if Ms SB
has expressed it as that.
Perhaps not.
Ms Braverman has used the phrase 'cultural Marxism'. This owes its origins to the Nazis' word 'Kulturbolschewismus' though Ms Braverman may only personally know its roots to US politics.
Ms Braverman and her colleagues are engaged in some kind of culture war(s). This is 'not dissimilar to the 'Kulturkrieg' which started before the Nazis but was very much engaged in by
the Nazis.
'60,000RM kostet dieser Erbkranke die Volksgemeinschaft auf Lebenzeit. Volksgenosse das ist auch dein Geld" = "This hereditarily ill person will cost our national community 60,000 Reichmarks over the course of his lifetime. Citizen, this is your money." This is an example of people seen as 'costing us!
Ms Braverman's persistent labelling of migrants as criminal (and/or the traffickers') even though many migrants are granted asylum is 'not dissimilar' to the Nazis' adoption of 'Asoziale' (noun) ('Asocials') which created a category of perpetual criminality in people.
The Nazi word 'Fremdmoral". "Fremd' translates roughly as 'alien'. The Nazis believed that lesser, foreign people had worse morals. Suella Braverman says police chiefs have told her "that drug supply... is now connected to people who came here on small boats illegally".
If asylum numbers increase, then it stands to reason costs of housing them will increase.
The article obviously wants to create umbridge at any potential grifting / gouging going on by the private sector,
So it would be useful to understand the cost of housing asylum seekers in the "traditional" method:
- social housing leased from HAs
- temporary accommodation from the private market
- ex army camps?
Maybe placement in hotels are better value for money?
The cheif exec whos pay has reportedly increased from £200k to £2m - it would be interesting to know what their pay was in the year before?
As that does suggest profiteering.
But maybe they're working their arses off and saving the public purse more in the round? We just don't know.
Withoit more context, it's all just opinion.
The article obviously wants to create umbridge at any potential grifting / gouging going on by the private sector,
So it would be useful to understand the cost of housing asylum seekers in the "traditional" method:
- social housing leased from HAs
- temporary accommodation from the private market
- ex army camps?
Maybe placement in hotels are better value for money?
The cheif exec whos pay has reportedly increased from £200k to £2m - it would be interesting to know what their pay was in the year before?
As that does suggest profiteering.
But maybe they're working their arses off and saving the public purse more in the round? We just don't know.
Withoit more context, it's all just opinion.
Worth pointing out that the BBC article sets out the majority of asylum claims in 2022 didn't come from small boat crossings.
As the lorry route seems to have fallen out of the news a lot, I assume it's over staying visas that makes up the majority?
So trying to frame small boats as the whole problem is somewhat disingenous by the government.
crankedup5 said:
Does he support people trafficking ?
The problem with this straw man approach is that it fails to address the issues.Yes: people trafficking is no doubt enabling a lot of the immigration/asylum seeker movement to and through Europe (but by no means all)
Does that mean we have to resort to 1930s style German language that alienate, garner hostility to, make illegal and ultimately expel them? No.
It is entirely possible to want people trafficking defeated whilst still operating an asylum process that is both legal and morally decent. They are not mutually exclusive.
I appreciate it is much simpler to view this through a "people trafficking init" lense, because the problem is quite complex, and not easy to resolve.
Those houses Braverman was pictured with that were for people the UK are sending to Rwanda?
Joked about liking the interior designer
Well................................................its a regular old school private housing estate
Not for people she would send
https://www.newtimes.co.rw/article/193573/News/wha...
Joked about liking the interior designer
Well................................................its a regular old school private housing estate
Not for people she would send
https://www.newtimes.co.rw/article/193573/News/wha...
Ian Geary said:
Worth pointing out that the BBC article sets out the majority of asylum claims in 2022 didn't come from small boat crossings.
As the lorry route seems to have fallen out of the news a lot, I assume it's over staying visas that makes up the majority?
So trying to frame small boats as the whole problem is somewhat disingenous by the government.
Yes: people trafficking is no doubt enabling a lot of the immigration/asylum seeker movement to and through Europe (but by no means all)
Does that mean we have to resort to 1930s style German language that alienate, garner hostility to, make illegal and ultimately expel them? No.
It is entirely possible to want people trafficking defeated whilst still operating an asylum process that is both legal and morally decent. They are not mutually exclusive.
I appreciate it is much simpler to view this through a "people trafficking init" lense, because the problem is quite complex, and not easy to resolve.
Any chance that we, and Lineker, can simply drop reference to Germany in the 1930s - it's emotive to some, and deflects from the key subject.As the lorry route seems to have fallen out of the news a lot, I assume it's over staying visas that makes up the majority?
So trying to frame small boats as the whole problem is somewhat disingenous by the government.
crankedup5 said:
Does he support people trafficking ?
The problem with this straw man approach is that it fails to address the issues.Yes: people trafficking is no doubt enabling a lot of the immigration/asylum seeker movement to and through Europe (but by no means all)
Does that mean we have to resort to 1930s style German language that alienate, garner hostility to, make illegal and ultimately expel them? No.
It is entirely possible to want people trafficking defeated whilst still operating an asylum process that is both legal and morally decent. They are not mutually exclusive.
I appreciate it is much simpler to view this through a "people trafficking init" lense, because the problem is quite complex, and not easy to resolve.
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