UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[blueg33]

fly by wire said:

'yawn'

Of course, it’s really boring preventing people drowning at sea.

[julian987R]

xeny said:

Looking at that, I'm struck by two things:

Really needs a no of deaths column.

Dividing the no of migrants by the no of boats results in an answer that makes the heading use of "small boats" seem inappropriate, or are we saying we are detecting migrants travelling in the equivalent of Wonder Woman's invisible jet?

Are there any estimates for what % of migrants are detected vs undetected?

I would imagine undetected is double.

[LF5335]

julian987R said:

xeny said:

Looking at that, I'm struck by two things:

Really needs a no of deaths column.

Dividing the no of migrants by the no of boats results in an answer that makes the heading use of "small boats" seem inappropriate, or are we saying we are detecting migrants travelling in the equivalent of Wonder Woman's invisible jet?

Are there any estimates for what % of migrants are detected vs undetected?

I would imagine undetected is double.

I would imagine it’s zero.

I like random guessing games. Would anyone else like to make up a number?

[lornemalvo]

One of my issues is the news outlets including the BBC, GB News and many newspapers who repeatedly report that boats have been "intercepted" crossing the channel. They are not being intercepted, they are being met and escorted. These so called journalists need to work on their use of grammar and look up what intercept actually means

[Condi]

julian987R said:

I would imagine undetected is double.

Why would it be double?

I thought your complaint was they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits; can't do any of that if they don't apply for asylum, can they??

Makes me laugh how utterly ill thought out your position is on immigration. It's a problem if they're here living in hotels, but twice as many come here, keep their heads down, never claim benefits and work in the black economy? Really??? Idiot.

[julian987R]

Condi said:

julian987R said:

I would imagine undetected is double.

Why would it be double?

I thought your complaint was they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits; can't do any of that if they don't apply for asylum, can they??

Makes me laugh how utterly ill thought out your position is on immigration. It's a problem if they're here living in hotels, but twice as many come here, keep their heads down, never claim benefits and work in the black economy? Really??? Idiot.

i think you have me confused with someone else as I have NEVER complained 'they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits'. never ONCE have I said that.

[julian987R]

julian987R said:

Condi said:

julian987R said:

I would imagine undetected is double.

Why would it be double?

I thought your complaint was they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits; can't do any of that if they don't apply for asylum, can they??

Makes me laugh how utterly ill thought out your position is on immigration. It's a problem if they're here living in hotels, but twice as many come here, keep their heads down, never claim benefits and work in the black economy? Really??? Idiot.

i think you have me confused with someone else as I have NEVER complained 'they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits'. NOT ONCE have I said that.

[LF5335]

julian987R said:

i think you have me confused with someone else as I have NEVER complained 'they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits'. never ONCE have I said that.

So what is it that gets you so hot and bothered about immigration if not that?

[julian987R]

LF5335 said:

I would imagine it’s zero.

I like random guessing games. Would anyone else like to make up a number?

well, its somewhere between 0 and double then.

[Condi]

julian987R said:

i think you have me confused with someone else as I have NEVER complained 'they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits'. never ONCE have I said that.

So what's the issue then? If they come here, claim asylum, work, pay taxes, then they're just like everyone else, no?

[LF5335]

julian987R said:

LF5335 said:

I would imagine it’s zero.

I like random guessing games. Would anyone else like to make up a number?

well, its somewhere between 0 and double then.

Those two guesses are, but someone might guess it’s 7.83trillion times larger. Then what?

[julian987R]

Condi said:

julian987R said:

i think you have me confused with someone else as I have NEVER complained 'they were coming here, using the NHS, using council housing, and living off benefits'. never ONCE have I said that.

So what's the issue then? If they come here, claim asylum, work, pay taxes, then they're just like everyone else, no?

The issue is the traffickers and the whole operation. The process, the loop holes (just say you are gay and persecuted, become Christian for 1hr) - the whole kit n' kaboodle around it is farcical and insanely dangerous.

I don't blame those seeking to come here at - but (albeit US equivalent - point made)......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7S-brPVpg&t=...

do it the legal way as its unfair on those doing it the legal way

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum

otherwise its mayhem - people are drowning i the channel and the traffickers are drowning in cash.

Edited by julian987R on Sunday 24th March 20:58

[LF5335]

julian987R said:

The issue is the traffickers and the whole operation. The process, the loop holes (just say you are gay and persecuted, become Christian for 1hr) - the whole kit n' kaboodle around it is farcical and insanely dangerous.

I don't blame those seeking to come here at - but (albeit US equivalent - point made)......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7S-brPVpg&t=...

do it the legal way as its unfair on those doing it the legal way

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum

otherwise its mayhem - people are drowning i the channel and the traffickers are drowning in cash.

Edited by julian987R on Sunday 24th March 20:58

There is no legal way to enter the country to claim asylum. You must be here illegally if your intention was to enter the UK then claim asylum.

[julian987R]

LF5335 said:

There is no legal way to enter the country to claim asylum. You must be here illegally if your intention was to enter the UK then claim asylum.

Correct! and there in lies the issue.

[Condi]

julian987R said:

do it the legal way as its unfair on those doing it the legal way

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum

The legal way?

The only methods of seeking asylum from outside the UK apply to an astonishingly small number of people;

Hongkongers,
Afghans who assisted UK forces and are threatened now the Taliban is in power.
Ukrainians.

There might be 1 more, from memory there is 4 but I can't think of the last one now.

And from your own link....

Government Website said:

You should apply when you arrive in the UK or as soon as you think it would be unsafe for you to return to your own country. Your application is more likely to be refused if you wait.

As they can't get on a plane, or cross by ferry, how else do you suggest they arrive in the UK?

[julian987R]

Condi said:

As they can't get on a plane, or cross by ferry, how else do you suggest they arrive in the UK?

That is the title of a brainstorm that has never happened
.... thus why people are drowning, people don't know what/who the hell they are getting involved with, nor what to expect thereafter.

[LF5335]

julian987R said:

LF5335 said:

There is no legal way to enter the country to claim asylum. You must be here illegally if your intention was to enter the UK then claim asylum.

Correct! and there in lies the issue.

If you read your post below that I was replying to then you might see why it’s a bit confusing trying to understand your point.

You’re bemoaning those claiming asylum illegally and asking them to do it legally, so that it’s fair on those doing it the legal way, whilst proudly agreeing that there is no legal way.

LF5335 said:

julian987R said:

The issue is the traffickers and the whole operation. The process, the loop holes (just say you are gay and persecuted, become Christian for 1hr) - the whole kit n' kaboodle around it is farcical and insanely dangerous.

I don't blame those seeking to come here at - but (albeit US equivalent - point made)......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7S-brPVpg&t=...

do it the legal way as its unfair on those doing it the legal way

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum

otherwise its mayhem - people are drowning i the channel and the traffickers are drowning in cash.

Edited by julian987R on Sunday 24th March 20:58

There is no legal way to enter the country to claim asylum. You must be here illegally if your intention was to enter the UK then claim asylum.

[julian987R]

LF5335 said:

then find/create a legal way!

[LF5335]

julian987R said:

then find/create a legal way!

You mean the many ideas put forward numerous times on this thread that are always ignored.

[julian987R]

LF5335 said:

julian987R said:

then find/create a legal way!

You mean the many ideas put forward numerous times on this thread that are always ignored.

well I am not aiming that at PH. I mean for the powers that be. You telling me with the brightest sparks in a room that the best they can come up with is some rickety assed plane flight to Rwanda. They haven't tried. They said they would give sentences of life to traffickers - the average is 22months. Its an abject failure on every level.