UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda
Discussion
This is utterly tortuous.
The thing with the Rwanda plan is that it is not going to work. Because, simply put, it is not going to deter anybody. The numbers are so small, compared to the size of the issue, that nobody trying to get into the country illegally is going to give a flying f
k about it. These people are not idiots. They can add up.
It won't work as a deterrent. It can't. It never will.
It doesn't matter whether one is pro or anti illegal/legal immigration - and to what extent. That is not the point.
It's just that this government has, badly advised as ever, nailed its colours to the mast. It cannot back down. Just say it to yourselves 'We are going to catch illegal immigrants and send them to Rwanda!'
Gibbering nonsense. We are right down the rabbit hole. Because nobody can argue one point without arguing another any more. It's perfectly reasonable to accept we have a problem with illegal immigration. And to do this without whataboutery concerning other countries that have it worse.
It's possible to also say that this Rwanda plan is absolute lunacy. Saying this does not equal 'I want to let everybody into the country forever' - It's simple - we have a problem - but this is a ghastly, idiotic, ineffective solution to it. And, furthermore, the government are doing it for reasons that have nothing at all to do with deterring migrants.
Batst.
The thing with the Rwanda plan is that it is not going to work. Because, simply put, it is not going to deter anybody. The numbers are so small, compared to the size of the issue, that nobody trying to get into the country illegally is going to give a flying f
k about it. These people are not idiots. They can add up. It won't work as a deterrent. It can't. It never will.
It doesn't matter whether one is pro or anti illegal/legal immigration - and to what extent. That is not the point.
It's just that this government has, badly advised as ever, nailed its colours to the mast. It cannot back down. Just say it to yourselves 'We are going to catch illegal immigrants and send them to Rwanda!'
Gibbering nonsense. We are right down the rabbit hole. Because nobody can argue one point without arguing another any more. It's perfectly reasonable to accept we have a problem with illegal immigration. And to do this without whataboutery concerning other countries that have it worse.
It's possible to also say that this Rwanda plan is absolute lunacy. Saying this does not equal 'I want to let everybody into the country forever' - It's simple - we have a problem - but this is a ghastly, idiotic, ineffective solution to it. And, furthermore, the government are doing it for reasons that have nothing at all to do with deterring migrants.
Bats
t. 272BHP said:
It just shows how completely ineffective the French police are, that boat is now comically overloaded and the French police just stood around and watched it launch regardless.
There might be a strategy from the police to let them travel a little bit and then turn them back with the police vessels but I doubt it.
I would like to know what happens to this particular migrant boat.
They aren't ineffective , they are simply engaged in a game of pass the parcel with the final destination being the UK There might be a strategy from the police to let them travel a little bit and then turn them back with the police vessels but I doubt it.
I would like to know what happens to this particular migrant boat.
ATG said:
President Merkin said:
Passing legislation that insists lies are truths is not what rational governments do, This law is peak Tory, eye wateringly expensive legislation rooted in an untruth forced onto the statute book by mediocre people.
Fully expect the usual crowd to tell me to cry harder or something but it's ok, I'm content in the knowledge I would never debase myself to the point of supporting a law that deports desperate people to an unsafe country.
Quite.Fully expect the usual crowd to tell me to cry harder or something but it's ok, I'm content in the knowledge I would never debase myself to the point of supporting a law that deports desperate people to an unsafe country.
The utter stupidity of passing this law is that they now have to try to make it work. The curtain is being pulled back. Michael Tomlinson (the minister for illegal migration, no less) has just made a fool of himself on the Today programme because he is completely incapable of explaining how the policy actually delivers anything useful. He was simply asked "now that you've passed this law, how are you going to use it?" He couldn't even answer that. He spoke faster and faster to try to fill the intellectual vacuum and ended up saying "becoz Labour."
At what stage do their final few supporters throw in the towel and accept that the Conservatives have done nothing but bluff for the last 8 years?
I really can't believe that this version of Ground Hog day is still carrying on, and to such a ludicrous cost to the tax payer.
Even if they succeed, a plane only seats maybe 200, so many flights a day, 7 days a week?
The idea is just nuts and I can't believe even Sunak thinks it's workable yet he seems to think he has to continue, at any price.
Come On Richi! you stopped HS2 for good or bad, so stop this utter nonsense.....NOW!
Even if they succeed, a plane only seats maybe 200, so many flights a day, 7 days a week?
The idea is just nuts and I can't believe even Sunak thinks it's workable yet he seems to think he has to continue, at any price.
Come On Richi! you stopped HS2 for good or bad, so stop this utter nonsense.....NOW!
valiant said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: £500M so far isn't it?
Wonder what the next excuse will be.
Apparently they’ve also found thousands of hours worth of court time, hundreds of judges to sit in these cases and other legal staff to administer it.Wonder what the next excuse will be.
Must be comforting to those waiting for justice for sometimes over a year because of cuts to the justice system that resources can be found when it’s expedient for political aims…
reddiesel said:
272BHP said:
You and people who think like you really are part of the problem.
I 100% agree with that summation .reddiesel said:
272BHP said:
You and people who think like you really are part of the problem.
I 100% agree with that summation .So I really don't care if I'm part of an imaginary problem because you're a cause of quite real ones.
Interesting development that this is now law.
Have to say as a traditional conservative voter not planning on voting if they can fill up planes to Rwanda with economic migrants clutching their iPhones and also bring in the benefits time cap for the scroungers then they may swing me back to ticking their box.
Time will tell.
Have to say as a traditional conservative voter not planning on voting if they can fill up planes to Rwanda with economic migrants clutching their iPhones and also bring in the benefits time cap for the scroungers then they may swing me back to ticking their box.
Time will tell.
The Rwanda policy is a complete waste of money but today brings another reminder of why there needs to be a deterrent on crossing the channel illegally https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/five-migrants-f...
Mr Penguin said:
The Rwanda policy is a complete waste of money but today brings another reminder of why there needs to be a deterrent on crossing the channel illegally https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/five-migrants-f...
If risk of death doesn't deter them then what do you think will?Rivenink said:
So have the Tories announced they've awarded a lucrative contract to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda to a Tory Donor who doesn't have any planes?
It'll cost £1.8m per person to fly them out (for the first 300), so a good payday for the "chums" that get selected to run the scheme.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/01/rw...
Superflow said:
Interesting development that this is now law.
Have to say as a traditional conservative voter not planning on voting if they can fill up planes to Rwanda with economic migrants clutching their iPhones and also bring in the benefits time cap for the scroungers then they may swing me back to ticking their box.
Time will tell.
Good God. The depths to which Tory supporters have fallen.Have to say as a traditional conservative voter not planning on voting if they can fill up planes to Rwanda with economic migrants clutching their iPhones and also bring in the benefits time cap for the scroungers then they may swing me back to ticking their box.
Time will tell.
s1962a said:
Rivenink said:
So have the Tories announced they've awarded a lucrative contract to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda to a Tory Donor who doesn't have any planes?
It'll cost £1.8m per person to fly them out (for the first 300), so a good payday for the "chums" that get selected to run the scheme.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/01/rw...
s1962a said:
Rivenink said:
So have the Tories announced they've awarded a lucrative contract to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda to a Tory Donor who doesn't have any planes?
It'll cost £1.8m per person to fly them out (for the first 300), so a good payday for the "chums" that get selected to run the scheme.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/01/rw...
PRTVR said:
President Merkin said:
PRTVR said:
It was a civil question to the language you used because I struggle to see why they are desperate, they are safe in France, desperate for a hotel room and a new mobile phone ?
I know you struggle, Your own language in the quoted post proves it. I felt bad for describing you as ignorant, then you said safe France, mobile phones, hotel rooms & proved it. So like I said, you could go away & read up on the complex & varied reasons why people choose to come here over somewhere else or alternativey trot out the lazy tropes above. You always have a choice.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff