UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[W124]

Why should the French bother? Really?

[Mrr T]

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

Having linked to the story did you actually read it?

It makes clear the Police tried to stop the boat on the beach but failed because some of the smugglers fought with them.

Once an over crowded boat gets clear of the shore there is very little they can safely do.

Are they police officers or just bystanders picking up a pay packet?

FFS

FFS. Bystanders as the word suggests stand and do nothing. They where fighting with the smugglers who where stopping getting to the boats. As a result they did not get to the boat before it launched. What else where they supported to do swim the channel with the boat?

[crankedup5]

Police State said:

S600BSB said:

abzmike said:

The other half of the scheme where Rwanda sends 'vulnerable' refugees from there to the UK seems to have gone quiet - Is that still happening, what happens to them when they get here?

According to the DM they get a priority council house and max benefits.

That used to be the case, but the council housing stocks have been depleted such that those schemes are no longer available to 'vulnerable' refugees. Though they are being offered £3k to take a flight back home.

According to The Telegraph newspaper, the Home Office have built up a stock of 16,000 private rental properties to be available for refugees.

[Bo_apex]

Police State said:

That used to be the case, but the council housing stocks have been depleted such that those schemes are no longer available to 'vulnerable' refugees. Though they are being offered £3k to take a flight back home.

There's a business right there. Rinse and repeat for smugglers.

[272BHP]

W124 said:

Why should the French bother? Really?

How about because 5 people died?

[W124]

It’s constant for them. Constant. They cannot stop it happening.

[272BHP]

Mrr T said:

FFS. Bystanders as the word suggests stand and do nothing. They where fighting with the smugglers who where stopping getting to the boats. As a result they did not get to the boat before it launched. What else where they supported to do swim the channel with the boat?

Are you telling me 15 trained police officers (at least) could not stop a boat being launched?

Time for them to hand their badges in.

[Mrr T]

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

FFS. Bystanders as the word suggests stand and do nothing. They where fighting with the smugglers who where stopping getting to the boats. As a result they did not get to the boat before it launched. What else where they supported to do swim the channel with the boat?

Are you telling me 15 trained police officers (at least) could not stop a boat being launched?

Time for them to hand their badges in.

So tell me about all your experience dealing with such situations how would have fought off the smugglers and stopped the launch.

[MC Bodge]

Blue62 said:

ATG said:

President Merkin said:

Passing legislation that insists lies are truths is not what rational governments do, This law is peak Tory, eye wateringly expensive legislation rooted in an untruth forced onto the statute book by mediocre people.

Fully expect the usual crowd to tell me to cry harder or something but it's ok, I'm content in the knowledge I would never debase myself to the point of supporting a law that deports desperate people to an unsafe country.

Quite.

The utter stupidity of passing this law is that they now have to try to make it work. The curtain is being pulled back. Michael Tomlinson (the minister for illegal migration, no less) has just made a fool of himself on the Today programme because he is completely incapable of explaining how the policy actually delivers anything useful. He was simply asked "now that you've passed this law, how are you going to use it?" He couldn't even answer that. He spoke faster and faster to try to fill the intellectual vacuum and ended up saying "becoz Labour."

At what stage do their final few supporters throw in the towel and accept that the Conservatives have done nothing but bluff for the last 8 years?

Tomlinson is yet another cannon fodder minister set up to face off the media on what is a ridiculous bill, costs, energy, time and toil all completely out of proportion with what is effectively a drop in the ocean when it comes to the issue of immigration. Labour will rightly reverse it when in office, what a hideous bunch we have running the country right now.

Tomlinson, Sunak, Mitchell et al, non of them are so stupid as to believe that this Rwanda nonsense will achieve anything.

Tomlinson was floundering.

They are only pursuing this through desperation.
Desperately trying to cling on to the votes of unthinking people such as the few remaining Tory/ReformUK supporters on PH.

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 23 April 14:50

[808 Estate]

Oliver Hardy said:

Looking at the accommodation and Rwanda as a country I will volunteer to go there.

Especially if they give you the £1.8m for "going quietly" and paying your own fare.

[crankedup5]

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

FFS. Bystanders as the word suggests stand and do nothing. They where fighting with the smugglers who where stopping getting to the boats. As a result they did not get to the boat before it launched. What else where they supported to do swim the channel with the boat?

Are you telling me 15 trained police officers (at least) could not stop a boat being launched?

Time for them to hand their badges in.

French police officers did seem to be actively stopping Liverpool football fans accessing a stadium to watch a match last year. Plenty of brutality and liberal use of pepper spray used to keep out those that had rights of access.
Demonstrates that they do have the powers, just choice when, where and to whom it’s administered perhaps.

[272BHP]

Mrr T said:

So tell me about all your experience dealing with such situations how would have fought off the smugglers and stopped the launch.

Stop this nonsense.

5 people including one child died on that boat.

[Not-The-Messiah]

If I decide to jump into a dingy and try and cross an international shipping lane with kids with me. If caught I would rightly be arrested and charged with child endangerment.

Why the hell don't these people get the same treatment? Every adult on these boats as soon as they set foot here if there is a single child on board should be charged with the same.

[valiant]

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

So tell me about all your experience dealing with such situations how would have fought off the smugglers and stopped the launch.

Stop this nonsense.

5 people including one child died on that boat.

Yep, and it’s a tragedy that’s become all too common. However, the danger, the weather, the stty craft, the amount of migrants squeezed in the previous deaths didn't deter them from trying so why would the small chance of being sent to Rwanda deter people from attempting a perilous crossing?

[Unreal]

valiant said:

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

So tell me about all your experience dealing with such situations how would have fought off the smugglers and stopped the launch.

Stop this nonsense.

5 people including one child died on that boat.

Yep, and it’s a tragedy that’s become all too common. However, the danger, the weather, the stty craft, the amount of migrants squeezed in the previous deaths didn't deter them from trying so why would the small chance of being sent to Rwanda deter people from attempting a perilous crossing?

I find it hard to believe anyone really believes it will.

If however, you had no documents on arrival and were coached up to Brize Norton and in Rwanda a few hours later, I think that it might.

[Mrr T]

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

So tell me about all your experience dealing with such situations how would have fought off the smugglers and stopped the launch.

Stop this nonsense.

5 people including one child died on that boat.

I agree stop your nonsense. The story was clear the French police tried to stop the launch but where unable to do so because of having to struggle with the smugglers. The boat was launched and then sank. Tragically people died. However, you insist it's the fault of the French police.

[Rufus Stone]

272BHP said:

Stop this nonsense.

5 people including one child died on that boat.

If the UK provided a safe means of entry they wouldn't have.

[272BHP]

Mrr T said:

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

So tell me about all your experience dealing with such situations how would have fought off the smugglers and stopped the launch.

Stop this nonsense.

5 people including one child died on that boat.

I agree stop your nonsense. The story was clear the French police tried to stop the launch but where unable to do so because of having to struggle with the smugglers. The boat was launched and then sank. Tragically people died. However, you insist it's the fault of the French police.

Yes.

[Mrr T]

crankedup5 said:

272BHP said:

Mrr T said:

FFS. Bystanders as the word suggests stand and do nothing. They where fighting with the smugglers who where stopping getting to the boats. As a result they did not get to the boat before it launched. What else where they supported to do swim the channel with the boat?

Are you telling me 15 trained police officers (at least) could not stop a boat being launched?

Time for them to hand their badges in.

French police officers did seem to be actively stopping Liverpool football fans accessing a stadium to watch a match last year. Plenty of brutality and liberal use of pepper spray used to keep out those that had rights of access.
Demonstrates that they do have the powers, just choice when, where and to whom it’s administered perhaps.

You do understand the difference between a football stadium policed by riot police and a sandy beach where you are having to fight with the smugglers to get to a boat, and once its in the water you have to be very careful or you could get people tossed into the water.

[Mr Penguin]

Rufus Stone said:

If the UK provided a safe means of entry they wouldn't have.

They are in a safe country (France) before boarding the dinghies to cross the Channel. Could it be that some of this migration is about more than just finding a safe haven?