UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[chrispmartha]

s1962a said:

Maybe the Rwanda bill is having it's intended effect. I'm no fan of it but looks like some asylum seekers are moving onto Ireland at the threat of deportation.

https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-bill-causing-mig...

So as with the France migrant issue, what are we going to do to help the Irish with their migration problem?

The UK is a safe country, Ireland should just send them straight back.

;-)

[Rufus Stone]

chrispmartha said:

s1962a said:

Maybe the Rwanda bill is having it's intended effect. I'm no fan of it but looks like some asylum seekers are moving onto Ireland at the threat of deportation.

https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-bill-causing-mig...

So as with the France migrant issue, what are we going to do to help the Irish with their migration problem?

The UK is a safe country, Ireland should just send them straight back.

;-)

[Master Of Puppets]

As is France.

[chrispmartha]

Master Of Puppets said:

As is France.

Wooooosh

[nickfrog]

Master Of Puppets said:

As is France.

Debatable. I just hope I never get sent back.

[crankedup5]

I’m still waiting to hear as to where the Country is supposed to house these people coming into the Country, especially those people currently housed in hotels. They will soon be fast tracked out of the hotels under a Labour Government. The Country does not have the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of people. It’s already nigh impossible to get a doctors appointment and dentists on NHS are non existent to new patients. Paddington rail station is already overcrowded with homeless people which indicates the severity of the issue.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

I’m still waiting to hear as to where the Country is supposed to house these people coming into the Country, especially those people currently housed in hotels. They will soon be fast tracked out of the hotels under a Labour Government. The Country does not have the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of people. It’s already nigh impossible to get a doctors appointment and dentists on NHS are non existent to new patients. Paddington rail station is already overcrowded with homeless people which indicates the severity of the issue.

Do you think those issues have arisen because pf asylum seekers?

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

I’m still waiting to hear as to where the Country is supposed to house these people coming into the Country, especially those people currently housed in hotels. They will soon be fast tracked out of the hotels under a Labour Government. The Country does not have the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of people. It’s already nigh impossible to get a doctors appointment and dentists on NHS are non existent to new patients. Paddington rail station is already overcrowded with homeless people which indicates the severity of the issue.

Do you think those issues have arisen because pf asylum seekers?

I would be interested in any answer you may offer that addresses the issue rather then seek to blame a definitive reason.

[z4RRSchris]

its pretty easy for a labour government, you grant them all asylum and a visa and put them into the system. "fast tracked"

doesnt address the cause, or the effect of more immigration, but thats what will happen.

[nickfrog]

Small price to pay for improving diversity and break down prejudice.
Some enjoy the sovereignty of Brexit despite the cost and lack of upsides. I feel the same about giving asylum to people from different cultures, despite the rampant fear of the unknown and entrenched narrow minded views. Really worth it.

[Unreal]

z4RRSchris said:

its pretty easy for a labour government, you grant them all asylum and a visa and put them into the system. "fast tracked"

doesnt address the cause, or the effect of more immigration, but thats what will happen.

At last someone gets it.

[Rufus Stone]

z4RRSchris said:

its pretty easy for a labour government, you grant them all asylum and a visa and put them into the system. "fast tracked"

doesnt address the cause, or the effect of more immigration, but thats what will happen.

They may fill some of the 1m job vacancies too, and contribute to the UK economy. Better than costing us £2m each to send to Rwanda.

[z4RRSchris]

well its also a very easy way to make GDP growth if you have more people, looks good for the political stats.

as soon as they are granted IL2R you can kick them out the expensive hotels and they can get working and paying tax.

they should just put recruitment stalls on the beach in calais, care workers line up here, fruit pickers here, labourers here. visa stamp and a ferry over.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

I’m still waiting to hear as to where the Country is supposed to house these people coming into the Country, especially those people currently housed in hotels. They will soon be fast tracked out of the hotels under a Labour Government. The Country does not have the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of people. It’s already nigh impossible to get a doctors appointment and dentists on NHS are non existent to new patients. Paddington rail station is already overcrowded with homeless people which indicates the severity of the issue.

Do you think those issues have arisen because pf asylum seekers?

I would be interested in any answer you may offer that addresses the issue rather then seek to blame a definitive reason.

Im just asking because, you know, this is the asylum seeker thread.

You're conflating quite a few issues in your post, but if you want an answer to your first question (which is the only one relevant to the thread) I think we should spend the ridiculous amount of money wasted on the Rwanda scheme on processing claims and rejected those not eligible for asylum, which also means the ones that are eligible can start to work.

We then could also spend some of that money on building more accommodation, we need more social housing for a start.

[Mrr T]

crankedup5 said:

I’m still waiting to hear as to where the Country is supposed to house these people coming into the Country, especially those people currently housed in hotels. They will soon be fast tracked out of the hotels under a Labour Government. The Country does not have the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of people. It’s already nigh impossible to get a doctors appointment and dentists on NHS are non existent to new patients. Paddington rail station is already overcrowded with homeless people which indicates the severity of the issue.

There maybe a uptime if Labour clear the backlog but numbers of 35k per year, about 0.05% of the UK population is not a bit number.

What infrastructure are we lacking? As for doctors, unless things have changed since I left last year, I could easily get a GP appointment, but I agree specialist was more difficult. However, that's nothing to do with asylum seekers who tend to be younger and healthy. It's all to do with the increase in older and sick. As for NHS dentists, there is no shortage of dentists but NHS payments are so low they do not want the work.

[z4RRSchris]

nimby reform voter: the country does not have the infrastructure to house all these people

same voter: i WILL object passionately to new homes being build with 35% affordable and a massive 106 payment on an old golf course i never used and couldn't access 2 miles from my house.

[thetapeworm]

How do other countries manage this kind of thing effectively or don't they? Is that why people keep going until they reach the UK to be with their friends and family?

(I don't know, I'm asking to try and learn)

We see the images of fenced-off woodland in France with people breaking out to try and get into lorries but what is there at the point of entry or within the country to house / process asylum seekers? How do places like iran and Turkey (I think they take the most asylum seekers?), Greece, Germany, Columbia, Pakistan etc handle things?

There's something like 110 million displaced people floating around looking for asylum, 43% of them are children, over 50% come from three places and around 69% are housed in neighbouring countries according to:

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/

[272BHP]

z4RRSchris said:

nimby reform voter: the country does not have the infrastructure to house all these people

same voter: i WILL object passionately to new homes being build with 35% affordable and a massive 106 payment on an old golf course i never used and couldn't access 2 miles from my house.

Infrastructure is not just houses - that is the easy bit.

Many of these migrants are just the foothold and then they will then attempt to get their extended family here over time. Some cultures also have arranged marriages agreed in principle and and will then bring their wife over and in time attempt to get her family over as well. The majority of marriages in many immigrant areas are to spouses who are overseas.

Towns and cities simply cannot handle this type of population explosion.

[blueg33]

crankedup5 said:

I’m still waiting to hear as to where the Country is supposed to house these people coming into the Country, especially those people currently housed in hotels. They will soon be fast tracked out of the hotels under a Labour Government. The Country does not have the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of people. It’s already nigh impossible to get a doctors appointment and dentists on NHS are non existent to new patients. Paddington rail station is already overcrowded with homeless people which indicates the severity of the issue.

Exaggerate much! I use Paddington weekly at all times of day and night. I do not recognise your description.

[abzmike]

crankedup5 said:

I’m still waiting to hear as to where the Country is supposed to house these people coming into the Country, especially those people currently housed in hotels. They will soon be fast tracked out of the hotels under a Labour Government. The Country does not have the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of people. It’s already nigh impossible to get a doctors appointment and dentists on NHS are non existent to new patients. Paddington rail station is already overcrowded with homeless people which indicates the severity of the issue.

Net legal migration last year was 672,000 - Where did they all go? Nobody ever questions that. Asylum seekers are a minor numbers if you're going to worry about infrastructure.
Of course provision of public services and availablility of housing is an issue, but with that many people here, employed, and paying tax, then necessary expansion should be facilitated.