Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[Byker28i]

Lol, I think NerveAgents comment was a sideways dig at me, but I've had much worse
After all this is a discussion forum - right? No need for personal attacks, or snide remarks and allegations, lets just discuss the topic.


Meanwhile, is Musk in trouble with the FEC over giving access to personal data to his selected provocateur?
The FTC have asked for information under the consent order that twitter are under and the giving away of consumers’ sensitive data.

Prior to Musks takeover, twitter were fined $150m for breaking their existing consent order and a new one was issued - which of course Musk would know about because he did his discovery... oh no he skipped that...
https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/20230...

So bits have been leaked, but it appears the FEC have issued a demand letters to get information about how twitter is not complying with their consent order, because Musk gave away, or Matt Taibi cherry picked Users data from twitter then published it...

Could be another huge fine coming?

[off_again]

Taibbi not getting an easy time during the senate hearings:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/09...

No matter what conspiracy you believe with regards to the 'Twitter files', Taibbi undermined himself and has very little that he can use to counter these types of arguments. There was even a Twitter thread about the 'evidence' and the fact that he admitted that he was only given specific sets of data and not the whole lot.

[off_again]

Elon is looking to build a company town in Austin:

https://gizmodo.com/musk-plans-company-town-texas-...

WSJ originated the story but its behind a paywall. But yes, Elon is to create a town called Snailbrook for employees. Of course, this has never been tried before and its a totally original idea. Wow, what a visionary and genius. Everyone wants to live in a town that is just for Musk companies, that would be great, right? Everyone drives a Tesla, uses Starlink for their internet connection and has a device that has Twitter on it so they can constantly tweet how amazing their overlord is....

Dont you just want to live there?

[pquinn]

off_again said:

Elon is looking to build a company town in Austin:

https://gizmodo.com/musk-plans-company-town-texas-...

WSJ originated the story but its behind a paywall. But yes, Elon is to create a town called Snailbrook for employees. Of course, this has never been tried before and its a totally original idea. Wow, what a visionary and genius. Everyone wants to live in a town that is just for Musk companies, that would be great, right? Everyone drives a Tesla, uses Starlink for their internet connection and has a device that has Twitter on it so they can constantly tweet how amazing their overlord is....

Dont you just want to live there?

What I struggle to understand is what a virtual non business like Boring Company is doing with those facilities that already exist there, let alone why it needs to be involved in a town?

The business barely trades, has a tiny employee count and doesn't seem to have much going on project wise so why are all these warehouses & the rest needed? Doesn't look like SpaceX has an obvious demand either.

The whole thing just seems a bit weird, so you have to wonder what the plan is really about. Maybe we can look forward to a compound full of Branch Elonians?

[off_again]

pquinn said:

off_again said:

Elon is looking to build a company town in Austin:

https://gizmodo.com/musk-plans-company-town-texas-...

WSJ originated the story but its behind a paywall. But yes, Elon is to create a town called Snailbrook for employees. Of course, this has never been tried before and its a totally original idea. Wow, what a visionary and genius. Everyone wants to live in a town that is just for Musk companies, that would be great, right? Everyone drives a Tesla, uses Starlink for their internet connection and has a device that has Twitter on it so they can constantly tweet how amazing their overlord is....

Dont you just want to live there?

What I struggle to understand is what a virtual non business like Boring Company is doing with those facilities that already exist there, let alone why it needs to be involved in a town?

The business barely trades, has a tiny employee count and doesn't seem to have much going on project wise so why are all these warehouses & the rest needed? Doesn't look like SpaceX has an obvious demand either.

The whole thing just seems a bit weird, so you have to wonder what the plan is really about. Maybe we can look forward to a compound full of Branch Elonians?

I think you hit the point - it’s probably not real and yet another fanciful dream from Musk. Classic redirection from Musk.

But the Elon fans will lap it up though. Future city from their techno-babble leader where they can all slap each other on the back. Sounds like a frightening place.

[eliot]

should of named it Ponzington

[Byker28i]

Byker28i said:

Lol, I think NerveAgents comment was a sideways dig at me, but I've had much worse
After all this is a discussion forum - right? No need for personal attacks, or snide remarks and allegations, lets just discuss the topic.


Meanwhile, is Musk in trouble with the FEC over giving access to personal data to his selected provocateur?
The FTC have asked for information under the consent order that twitter are under and the giving away of consumers’ sensitive data.

Prior to Musks takeover, twitter were fined $150m for breaking their existing consent order and a new one was issued - which of course Musk would know about because he did his discovery... oh no he skipped that...
https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/20230...

So bits have been leaked, but it appears the FEC have issued a demand letters to get information about how twitter is not complying with their consent order, because Musk gave away, or Matt Taibi cherry picked Users data from twitter then published it...

Could be another huge fine coming?

After claiming he gave Taibbi all the access, was pushing it heavily, Musk now says it wasn't him as his lawyers again have probably pointed out he has a huge fine coming


I mean he was heavily pushing it all right from the start, that he gave access

and
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16005898789827...

[Electro1980]

Byker28i said:

Byker28i said:

Lol, I think NerveAgents comment was a sideways dig at me, but I've had much worse
After all this is a discussion forum - right? No need for personal attacks, or snide remarks and allegations, lets just discuss the topic.


Meanwhile, is Musk in trouble with the FEC over giving access to personal data to his selected provocateur?
The FTC have asked for information under the consent order that twitter are under and the giving away of consumers’ sensitive data.

Prior to Musks takeover, twitter were fined $150m for breaking their existing consent order and a new one was issued - which of course Musk would know about because he did his discovery... oh no he skipped that...
https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/20230...

So bits have been leaked, but it appears the FEC have issued a demand letters to get information about how twitter is not complying with their consent order, because Musk gave away, or Matt Taibi cherry picked Users data from twitter then published it...

Could be another huge fine coming?

After claiming he gave Taibbi all the access, was pushing it heavily, Musk now says it wasn't him as his lawyers again have probably pointed out he has a huge fine coming


I mean he was heavily pushing it all right from the start, that he gave access

and
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16005898789827...

He truly is a very stable genius.

Much like Trump, a tweet for every situation. Asking journalists to reveal sources is not cool…

[Electro1980]

off_again said:

Elon is looking to build a company town in Austin:

https://gizmodo.com/musk-plans-company-town-texas-...

WSJ originated the story but its behind a paywall. But yes, Elon is to create a town called Snailbrook for employees. Of course, this has never been tried before and its a totally original idea. Wow, what a visionary and genius. Everyone wants to live in a town that is just for Musk companies, that would be great, right? Everyone drives a Tesla, uses Starlink for their internet connection and has a device that has Twitter on it so they can constantly tweet how amazing their overlord is....

Dont you just want to live there?

Why do I see it as less this:



And more this:



Just wait until Musk cracks out the coolaid for real…

[deckster]

Electro1980 said:

Why do I see it as less this:



And more this:



Just wait until Musk cracks out the coolaid for real…

I was thinking more this

[Seventy]

Always make me think of this.



Republic of Elon, anyone?

[ant1973]

off_again said:

Taibbi not getting an easy time during the senate hearings:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/09...

No matter what conspiracy you believe with regards to the 'Twitter files', Taibbi undermined himself and has very little that he can use to counter these types of arguments. There was even a Twitter thread about the 'evidence' and the fact that he admitted that he was only given specific sets of data and not the whole lot.

Even assuming the information which has been provided is selective, do you not think we deserve to know about the involvement of the state in the affairs of big tech given how deeply embedded it is in everyway life. If the issue is innocuous then shining a light on it - even in a limited way - ought not be prompt the fury of the Democrats.

Taibbi is not some pound shop Republican - he is an award winning journalist of some renown.

Do you not think it curious as to how little the Dem members of the committee engaged with the actual documents that were revealed?

This ought not to be a party political issue.

[Byker28i]

Musks town will have Stephen Miller as Mayor?

[Byker28i]

ant1973 said:

Even assuming the information which has been provided is selective, do you not think we deserve to know about the involvement of the state in the affairs of big tech given how deeply embedded it is in everyway life. If the issue is innocuous then shining a light on it - even in a limited way - ought not be prompt the fury of the Democrats.

Taibbi is not some pound shop Republican - he is an award winning journalist of some renown.

LOL, did you watch Jordon yesterday try to claim stuff but wouldn't actually read out the tweet he was complaining about, the disinformation that Hank Aaron died from the vaccine - note he didn't.

Jordon himself admitted here is a review process to remove tweets, determined *by Twitter and not the government when there's a request to remove a tweet. Twitter decides if a tweet violates its terms of service. Hardly what he or Musk or Taibbi tried claiming with their cherry picking.

Lets remember all the stuff from the last GOP administation that is being ignored.

As for Matt Taibbi was an award winning journalist, he was, but doubt he would win one now. He's fully embraced the trumpism/GOP lies, you can't ignore his cherrypicking to meet his and Musks agenda, it's simply not balanced as he ignores any evidence that refutes his claims, even when it's put under his nose.

[ant1973]

Byker28i said:

ant1973 said:

Even assuming the information which has been provided is selective, do you not think we deserve to know about the involvement of the state in the affairs of big tech given how deeply embedded it is in everyway life. If the issue is innocuous then shining a light on it - even in a limited way - ought not be prompt the fury of the Democrats.

Taibbi is not some pound shop Republican - he is an award winning journalist of some renown.

LOL, did you watch Jordon yesterday try to claim stuff but wouldn't actually read out the tweet he was complaining about, the disinformation that Hank Aaron died from the vaccine - note he didn't.

Jordon himself admitted here is a review process to remove tweets, determined *by Twitter and not the government when there's a request to remove a tweet. Twitter decides if a tweet violates its terms of service. Hardly what he or Musk or Taibbi tried claiming with their cherry picking.

Lets remember all the stuff from the last GOP administation that is being ignored.

As for Matt Taibbi was an award winning journalist, he was, but doubt he would win one now. He's fully embraced the trumpism/GOP lies, you can't ignore his cherrypicking to meet his and Musks agenda, it's simply not balanced as he ignores any evidence that refutes his claims, even when it's put under his nose.

But you are doing much the same thing by selectively attacking some elements of what the journos were saying - have you read the release of documents? Are you not troubled by what they say?

I agree that the documents from the GOP period in office should be in the public domain as well.

Do you not want a light shone on these issues?

It's not a left and right thing.

[rscott]

ant1973 said:

off_again said:

Taibbi not getting an easy time during the senate hearings:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/09...

No matter what conspiracy you believe with regards to the 'Twitter files', Taibbi undermined himself and has very little that he can use to counter these types of arguments. There was even a Twitter thread about the 'evidence' and the fact that he admitted that he was only given specific sets of data and not the whole lot.

Even assuming the information which has been provided is selective, do you not think we deserve to know about the involvement of the state in the affairs of big tech given how deeply embedded it is in everyway life. If the issue is innocuous then shining a light on it - even in a limited way - ought not be prompt the fury of the Democrats.

Taibbi is not some pound shop Republican - he is an award winning journalist of some renown.

Do you not think it curious as to how little the Dem members of the committee engaged with the actual documents that were revealed?

This ought not to be a party political issue.

Agreed, but given that the so called "Twitter Files" have a massively anti-Democrat slant (Tabibi has admitted he hasn't seen anything related to Republican/Trump requests for tweet removal, for example), it's not surprising their comments reflect it.

[pquinn]

Byker28i said:

After claiming he gave Taibbi all the access, was pushing it heavily, Musk now says it wasn't him as his lawyers again have probably pointed out he has a huge fine coming


I mean he was heavily pushing it all right from the start, that he gave access

and
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16005898789827...

He may as well just blatantly lie about the stuff everyone clearly saw him do. After all as a strategy it's worked for him before whether it's been about libel or stock manipulation.

[rscott]

Jim Jordan complained that people weren't complying with subpoenas issued by his committee - Swalwell utterly destroyed him with this response https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/163391475845287936...

[ant1973]

rscott said:

ant1973 said:

off_again said:

Taibbi not getting an easy time during the senate hearings:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/09...

No matter what conspiracy you believe with regards to the 'Twitter files', Taibbi undermined himself and has very little that he can use to counter these types of arguments. There was even a Twitter thread about the 'evidence' and the fact that he admitted that he was only given specific sets of data and not the whole lot.

Even assuming the information which has been provided is selective, do you not think we deserve to know about the involvement of the state in the affairs of big tech given how deeply embedded it is in everyway life. If the issue is innocuous then shining a light on it - even in a limited way - ought not be prompt the fury of the Democrats.

Taibbi is not some pound shop Republican - he is an award winning journalist of some renown.

Do you not think it curious as to how little the Dem members of the committee engaged with the actual documents that were revealed?

This ought not to be a party political issue.

Agreed, but given that the so called "Twitter Files" have a massively anti-Democrat slant (Tabibi has admitted he hasn't seen anything related to Republican/Trump requests for tweet removal, for example), it's not surprising their comments reflect it.

In fairness, US politics is so polarised that you could hardly make the case for either side being honest brokers or playing matters with a straight bat.

But what's being lost in this is the way in which, entirely covertly, the state (lets remove the politics) is involved in big tech in way that is troubling.

If there is an innocent explanation for the files produced, the state could address than an instant by way of rebuttal.

But that has not meaningfully happened. And that for me is entirely telling.

This is about authoritarianism, the control of free speech and the suppression of objective facts which are inconvenient to the objectives of the state.

Taibbi also said during his evidence on four occasions that the censorship extended to the left and the right.

Edited by ant1973 on Friday 10th March 10:30

[Byker28i]

ant1973 said:

Byker28i said:

ant1973 said:

Even assuming the information which has been provided is selective, do you not think we deserve to know about the involvement of the state in the affairs of big tech given how deeply embedded it is in everyway life. If the issue is innocuous then shining a light on it - even in a limited way - ought not be prompt the fury of the Democrats.

Taibbi is not some pound shop Republican - he is an award winning journalist of some renown.

LOL, did you watch Jordon yesterday try to claim stuff but wouldn't actually read out the tweet he was complaining about, the disinformation that Hank Aaron died from the vaccine - note he didn't.

Jordon himself admitted here is a review process to remove tweets, determined *by Twitter and not the government when there's a request to remove a tweet. Twitter decides if a tweet violates its terms of service. Hardly what he or Musk or Taibbi tried claiming with their cherry picking.

Lets remember all the stuff from the last GOP administation that is being ignored.

As for Matt Taibbi was an award winning journalist, he was, but doubt he would win one now. He's fully embraced the trumpism/GOP lies, you can't ignore his cherrypicking to meet his and Musks agenda, it's simply not balanced as he ignores any evidence that refutes his claims, even when it's put under his nose.

But you are doing much the same thing by selectively attacking some elements of what the journos were saying - have you read the release of documents? Are you not troubled by what they say?

I agree that the documents from the GOP period in office should be in the public domain as well.

Do you not want a light shone on these issues?

It's not a left and right thing.

But it has been because the committee hearing has proven that trump admin actually asked for more tweets to be removed, because of trumps hurt feelings, whereas Jim Jordon and Matt Taibbi/Musk are trying to make something out of Biden asking for the Hunter dick pics to be taken down. The manufactured dirt that didn't work as well as the trump/GOP members such as Jordon wanted.

And again - as proven oin the committee it was twitter that decided whether to remove stuff, which as a private company, it was entitled to do as part of it's terms of service. The real investigation should be why some, such as trump and others, were given such leeway, why Musk has allowed many of those pushing disinformation back on to do exactly the same again.