Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[dimots]

No Gweedsy, you have replied assuming that everyone is talking about the ‘For You’ tab, but unless Spookly (who I was replying to) is prone to bouts of hysterical hyperbole, he wasn’t.

spookly said:

If that's the case then I think it will be the death of twitter.

[tertius]

Gweeds said:

dimots said:

Gweeds said:

But that’s exactly what’s happening. Legacy verification is gone and only people who pay will be shown as ‘verified’.

I’m not sure how you can claim otherwise.

dimots said:

He says "only verified accounts will be eligible to be in For You recommendations".

He doesn't say "You'll only now be presented with tweets from people who pay for a check mark."

You will still see all the tweets from all the Twitterers everywhere other than in the 'For You recommendations' tab.

I don’t think comprehension is your strong point.

No-one is saying you’ll only see tweets PER SE from ‘verified’ accounts. We are talking about the For You tab.

Because all accounts showing as ‘verified’ will be those who have paid for the check mark it’s literally exactly what you’re saying it isn’t.

To be clear:

For you will only show ‘verified’ accounts.

All ‘verified’ accounts have been paid for.

Therefore all of the accounts shown in For You have paid to be there and are in no way actually verified.

No-one, apart from apparently you, is talking about anything other than the For You tab.

The cult of Elno is strong in this one.

I’m no Elon fan but I must confess it was not at all clear to me that when you said:

Gweeds said:

But that’s exactly what’s happening. Legacy verification is gone and only people who pay will be shown as ‘verified’.

I’m not sure how you can claim otherwise.

That you were referring only to the “For you” tab. Surely No one actually looks at the For you tab from choice anyway it’s garbage, and will indeed soon be more garbage.

[emicen]

tertius said:

That you were referring only to the “For you” tab. Surely No one actually looks at the For you tab from choice anyway it’s garbage, and will indeed soon be more garbage.

Much like Facebook defaulting to “All,” Twitter defaults to “For You” when opened.

Likely Twitter will go down Facebook’s path and make it a more convoluted process to get to what you actually want to see.

[tertius]

emicen said:

tertius said:

That you were referring only to the “For you” tab. Surely No one actually looks at the For you tab from choice anyway it’s garbage, and will indeed soon be more garbage.

Much like Facebook defaulting to “All,” Twitter defaults to “For You” when opened.

Likely Twitter will go down Facebook’s path and make it a more convoluted process to get to what you actually want to see.

It did do that for a while I agree but it doesn’t seem to do so any more. Or at least not consistently, I’ve thought for the last few days it had started doing it again but my simple testing has been inconclusive. (This is on iOS my primary use of Twitter).

[Gweeds]

dimots said:

I assumed you could read. Once again you’ve proved that’s not the case.

You still appear to be very confused by what ‘verified’ will mean.

Edited by Gweeds on Tuesday 28th March 19:21

[Gweeds]

tertius said:

That you were referring only to the “For you” tab. Surely No one actually looks at the For you tab from choice anyway it’s garbage, and will indeed soon be more garbage.

It was clear from the flow of the conversation.

[Gweeds]

tertius said:

It did do that for a while I agree but it doesn’t seem to do so any more. Or at least not consistently, I’ve thought for the last few days it had started doing it again but my simple testing has been inconclusive. (This is on iOS my primary use of Twitter).

Elno claimed it had been turned off. My experience is that’s not the case and it’s intermittent at best.

[dimots]

Gweeds said:

I assumed you could read. Once again you’ve proved that’s not the case.

You still appear to be very confused by what ‘verified’ will mean.

Edited by Gweeds on Tuesday 28th March 19:21

It’s ok to be wrong sometimes Gweed. Just relax and calm down. This isn’t a fight.

[Gweeds]

dimots said:

It’s ok to be wrong sometimes Gweed. Just relax and calm down. This isn’t a fight.

Bless. That’s very sweet of you but I think Elmo’s Mum is calling you for dinner.

[tertius]

Gweeds said:

tertius said:

That you were referring only to the “For you” tab. Surely No one actually looks at the For you tab from choice anyway it’s garbage, and will indeed soon be more garbage.

It was clear from the flow of the conversation.

Quite evidently that is not the case. Moreover relying on everyone following every post to ensure clarity of argument is a poor strategy.

[tertius]

Gweeds said:

tertius said:

It did do that for a while I agree but it doesn’t seem to do so any more. Or at least not consistently, I’ve thought for the last few days it had started doing it again but my simple testing has been inconclusive. (This is on iOS my primary use of Twitter).

Elno claimed it had been turned off. My experience is that’s not the case and it’s intermittent at best.

You may be right but I’ve tried closing Twitter completely and reopening a couple of times and it’s opened to the “Following” tab each time.

[Gweeds]

tertius said:

Quite evidently that is not the case. Moreover relying on everyone following every post to ensure clarity of argument is a poor strategy.

One easily solved by reading more of a thread.

Regardless. My point that verified now means nothing more than having paid for a check mark stands. And anyone thinking this will only ever apply to the For You tab is fooling themselves.

It’s just another example of Musk not having a clue about how Twitter works.

[Byker28i]

Remember kids - it's about trying to make money, not abou the bots - even Musk has said that

"That said, it’s ok to have verified bot accounts if they follow terms of service & don’t impersonate a human"
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16405329213866...

Again, with Musk letting all the disinformation back on, yjis gives immense power to verified users that they can use to disseminate misinformation on the platform, but Musk doesn't care so long as they pay money

[emicen]

tertius said:

emicen said:

tertius said:

That you were referring only to the “For you” tab. Surely No one actually looks at the For you tab from choice anyway it’s garbage, and will indeed soon be more garbage.

Much like Facebook defaulting to “All,” Twitter defaults to “For You” when opened.

Likely Twitter will go down Facebook’s path and make it a more convoluted process to get to what you actually want to see.

It did do that for a while I agree but it doesn’t seem to do so any more. Or at least not consistently, I’ve thought for the last few days it had started doing it again but my simple testing has been inconclusive. (This is on iOS my primary use of Twitter).

iOS here also and I opened the app from cold, straight to For You. Does it every time.

Zero impact on my life, Twitter is generally a hive of utter cretins, its sole use will remain being able to reach out to companies when issues need resolving. If he ever managed to haemorrhage enough users that companies no longer care about their perception on Twitter so drop bothering to respond, then it will really be up st creek.

[dimots]

tertius said:

That you were referring only to the “For you” tab. Surely No one actually looks at the For you tab from choice anyway it’s garbage, and will indeed soon be more garbage.

It will be garbage at first, but as soon as the jilted Twitterati see all the noobs soaking up the adulation and followers that come with being front page featured they'll be subscribing to Twitter Blue to get their time in the sun!

[pquinn]

Leithen said:

Munro certainly seems to have drunk deeply from the well.

He did forget to mention he had a load of Tesla shares at one point. Of course that may have been utterly unrelated to his shift away from his original less positive opinions or his fulsome praise that he started spreading like a true evangelist.

[pquinn]

off_again said:

I do understand that it makes sense to manufacture things to be simpler, easier to repair and cheaper.

The big structural casting and the full structural battery seem to be about reducing initial assembly costs, at the expensive of making some things utterly unrepairable.

Batteries were getting to be tricky to replace anyway then the full structural one pushes it over the edge in terms of labour & complexity for tearing the car down & putting it back together as you have to gut the whole thing.

There have been rumblings about regulation in this area due to cost/waste/vendor lock-in around batteries, plus I can see insurers piling on pressure too due to how easy it becomes to turn a car into a total loss over relatively trivial damage.


There's some really bad design buried in Teslas, which might be beneficial to building them but screws the rest of the lifecycle and inevitably isnt covered by warranty. The low mounted integrated plastic battery coolant fittings at ground level behind a flexible plastic 'guard' was just one genius thing that could be an uneconomic repair from a negligible trigger.

[off_again]

pquinn said:

Batteries were getting to be tricky to replace anyway then the full structural one pushes it over the edge in terms of labour & complexity for tearing the car down & putting it back together as you have to gut the whole thing.

Yup, and its only going to get worse. We havent seen the final spec / build for the Cybertruck yet, but that too is looking like its going to be a nightmare to repair. I thought that Tesla had built up this whole 'save the planet' thing and the big message was that they are more reliable and recyclable than other models, but it seems that this isnt the case and its all about the money.... again.

Watched a video where a mechanic replaced the HV hybrid battery on a Toyota Highlander. Current model and while it still involved a number of steps, protective covers and gaskets, it was a simple thing to replace. Actually, I lied, they didnt replace the whole thing, but actually replaced a single board in the pack that had failed - and the mechanic mentioned it was the same board that is used across Toyota hybrid models. Refit was just a reverse of what they did. This makes sense. Failures happen, stuff gets fixed. Serviceability is critical and if you make your vehicles essentially throwaway, this doesnt help anyone.

pquinn said:

There have been rumblings about regulation in this area due to cost/waste/vendor lock-in around batteries, plus I can see insurers piling on pressure too due to how easy it becomes to turn a car into a total loss over relatively trivial damage.

Yup, and its already happening. Tesla's are more expensive to insure here in the US due to the issues. Wether it is the lack of facilities (you can only use a Tesla approved body repair center - seems fair, but this is down to even very minor things), long waiting lists to get things done or the lack of spare parts, its all a direct cost that insurance companies will simply pass on to consumers.

Just like the UK, US insurers have already started taking action. A friend in Minnesota (the Mid-West is the center for these stolen Kia / Hyundai car craze) has had his insurance jump by 20% just for this alone! In several areas you cant get insurance for Kia or Hyundai cars! Same goes for Tesla too - if you are prepared to pay, great, but this whole lock-in thing is causing issues.

There's some really bad design buried in Teslas, which might be beneficial to building them but screws the rest of the lifecycle and inevitably isnt covered by warranty. The low mounted integrated plastic battery coolant fittings at ground level behind a flexible plastic 'guard' was just one genius thing that could be an uneconomic repair from a negligible trigger.

[dobbo_]

dimots said:

It will be garbage at first, but as soon as the jilted Twitterati see all the noobs soaking up the adulation and followers that come with being front page featured they'll be subscribing to Twitter Blue to get their time in the sun!

This doesn't track - but then you're nothing if not inconsistent.

I'll set you up to move the goalposts again anyway, because why not.

You appear to be saying that Twitter will be rubbish until all the "twitterati" that you hold in such great contempt start paying for it, at which point it will be - not rubbish?

[dimots]

dobbo_ said:

This doesn't track - but then you're nothing if not inconsistent.

I'll set you up to move the goalposts again anyway, because why not.

You appear to be saying that Twitter will be rubbish until all the "twitterati" that you hold in such great contempt start paying for it, at which point it will be - not rubbish?

Twitter is a broad church. That’s what I like about it.