Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[nebpor]

768 said:

I find this stuff pretty amazing. Wish, say, the NHS worked like this, ever. So many organisations lack this level of open accountability. He does get some things right from time to time.

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

[glazbagun]

nebpor said:

dimots said:

I notice Jeff Bezos had time to watch The Last of Us AND to tweet about it! How do they do it? Superhuman.

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1620466730572...

Well for a start he’s not a CEO anymore

Bezos can watch what he likes after saving The Expanse IMO.

[nebpor]

glazbagun said:

Bezos can watch what he likes after saving The Expanse IMO.

Exactly

[h0b0]

dimots said:

I notice Jeff Bezos had time to watch The Last of Us AND to tweet about it! How do they do it? Superhuman.

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1620466730572...

[dobbo_]

Here's Elnor's new best friend Catturd complaining that he doesn't get a cut of the advertising, that he pays $8 a month to help generate.

Eln0r's friends are not the best and brightest the internet has to offer. Catturd finally pointing out what actual real celebrities have been saying for ages - they drive traffic to the platform.

[off_again]

dimots said:

I notice Jeff Bezos had time to watch The Last of Us AND to tweet about it! How do they do it? Superhuman.

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1620466730572...

Stepped down as Amazon CEO in 2021 and is now currently the exec chair - a role that most likely a monthly meeting requirement. Nope, he has time to focus on other projects as well as starting on his well documented commitment to give away most of his fortune.

Oh and the tweet was from back on Jan 31st, two days after the episode aired on HBO. Probably watched it on his private plane (or yacht) while waiting to arrive at his next glamorous destination.

Mmmm, very rich man watches popular TV program and comments on it - two days afterwards. Right, thats superhuman....

[768]

nebpor said:

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

You probably are. I'm not sure what, or where the idea that the NHS project plan is a couple of sprints came from. Or that there's one NHS project plan.

The comparison is that from my perspective one is listening and the other isn't. It's nothing to do with complexity (as if NHS software is somehow more complex) or regulation.

[Catastrophic Poo]

off_again said:

dimots said:

I notice Jeff Bezos had time to watch The Last of Us AND to tweet about it! How do they do it? Superhuman.

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1620466730572...

Stepped down as Amazon CEO in 2021 and is now currently the exec chair - a role that most likely a monthly meeting requirement. Nope, he has time to focus on other projects as well as starting on his well documented commitment to give away most of his fortune.

Oh and the tweet was from back on Jan 31st, two days after the episode aired on HBO. Probably watched it on his private plane (or yacht) while waiting to arrive at his next glamorous destination.

Mmmm, very rich man watches popular TV program and comments on it - two days afterwards. Right, thats superhuman....

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed the gushing.

[nebpor]

768 said:

You probably are. I'm not sure what, or where the idea that the NHS project plan is a couple of sprints came from. Or that there's one NHS project plan.

The comparison is that from my perspective one is listening and the other isn't. It's nothing to do with complexity (as if NHS software is somehow more complex) or regulation.

Well you said
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This doesn't sound like a change that would significantly divert engineering teams to me though and I got the impression he spoke to them first. Responding to change should be something they can cope with - dare I say, agile.

The word agile implies agile projects, which implies sprints.

Who is this imaginary figure that controls the technology that the NHS depends on, that you intend to appeal to with your ideas for improvement?

The software that underpins the 10,000-500,000 processes within the NHS is no more complex than the closed-loop software that runs a car? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and imagine that you've never worked anywhere near technology, but even then I'm struggling to grasp how you could make such a jump.

You don't appear to be capable of understanding how complex a large organization is. That's fine, you've obviously never worked anywhere near one. But you've been on an agile course

Edited by nebpor on Thursday 30th March 21:30

[768]

nebpor said:

Well you said

768 said:

This doesn't sound like a change that would significantly divert engineering teams to me though and I got the impression he spoke to them first. Responding to change should be something they can cope with - dare I say, agile.

The word agile implies agile projects, which implies sprints.

Fixed the quotes for you. Agile doesn't imply sprints, that happens to be in scrum which is one methodology. It was also tongue in cheek because there's nothing agile about most NHS software development.

nebpor said:

Who is this imaginary figure that controls the technology that the NHS depends on, that you intend to appeal to with your ideas for improvement?

CEO of the recently subsumed NHS Digital for one would have been fine. I've spoken with a lot more than one person though. You do know there are people within the NHS with authority over delivery?

nebpor said:

The software that underpins the 10,000-500,000 processes within the NHS is no more complex than the closed-loop software that runs a car? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and imagine that you've never worked anywhere near technology, but even then I'm struggling to grasp how you could make such a jump.

That's not what software complexity is. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't have a computer science degree.

nebpor said:

You don't appear to be capable of understanding how complex a large organization is. That's fine, you've obviously never worked anywhere near one. But you've been on an agile course

You obviously haven't been on an agile course. Or a guessing course, because neither have I.

As it happens I've written software widely used across the NHS, I see it every time I end up in a radiology department. I've since gone on to work on far more complex systems, which you still won't understand.

[mko9]

nebpor said:

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

So you don’t believe automobiles are complex or highly regulated?? I’m sure there are any number of automobile makers that would beg to differ.

Tesla are sold in North America, the EU (and the UK), Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc, etc. each of whom have different regulations for crash testing, component labeling, liabilities, etc.

[98elise]

off_again said:

768 said:

I find this stuff pretty amazing. Wish, say, the NHS worked like this, ever. So many organisations lack this level of open accountability. He does get some things right from time to time.

Yes and no. I get what you are saying and yes, on the surface, this appears to be a reasonable response to a customer ask. This is good.

However, what will result will be Musk making demands of their engineering teams to do this ASAP while dropping what work they are doing at the moment to solve one particular vocal customers ask. This will push back engineering on other issues and problems and most likely cause problems for the actual engineers who have to program this as they have to drop what they have been working on for the last few weeks / months / years and pick up something completely new (which they probably didnt write in the first place).

Of course, I am providing a counter view here, but having worked in technology for years now, I look for companies that have a robust process for this type of thing. I have had to deal with type of personality in the past and its a nightmare. Not suggesting that this isnt important, but it does need to be put into perspective. There are a lot of Tesla owners who bought a car that had 'features' that either dont work or are very poor. From summon to self-park and the elimination of radar sensors (because Musk fell out with the vendor), there are a lot of things that some owners might be rightly pissed about. If I had dropped anything from $50k to $120k on a Tesla to find that a variety of features didnt work and had some random person on the internet ask for something - I would be a little annoyed.

But then again, in the world of attention grabbing attempts, why not - and with a name that includes 'Tesla' in it, you can be sure as hell that Musky will respond. As you can see, I am an utter cynic on these things.

IF motion_sensor = 'TRUE'
THEN entertainment_unit = 'ON'

Doesn't seem to be a huge amount of work for those busy engineers

[AW111]

mko9 said:

nebpor said:

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

So you don’t believe automobiles are complex or highly regulated?? I’m sure there are any number of automobile makers that would beg to differ.

Tesla are sold in North America, the EU (and the UK), Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc, etc. each of whom have different regulations for crash testing, component labeling, liabilities, etc.

And Tesla has been in trouble with the regulators more than once over their software, including allowing the driver to watch videos on the infotainment system while driving.

They're also facing investigation over phantom braking and dangerous "self driving" modes.

Musk has repeatedly shown contempt for regulation, so only a fanboy would hold them up as a good example.

[rscott]

AW111 said:

mko9 said:

nebpor said:

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

So you don’t believe automobiles are complex or highly regulated?? I’m sure there are any number of automobile makers that would beg to differ.

Tesla are sold in North America, the EU (and the UK), Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc, etc. each of whom have different regulations for crash testing, component labeling, liabilities, etc.

And Tesla has been in trouble with the regulators more than once over their software, including allowing the driver to watch videos on the infotainment system while driving.

They're also facing investigation over phantom braking and dangerous "self driving" modes.

Musk has repeatedly shown contempt for regulation, so only a fanboy would hold them up as a good example.

They even got prohibited from selling any vehicles until they addressed the autopilot recall.

[mko9]

rscott said:

AW111 said:

mko9 said:

nebpor said:

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

So you don’t believe automobiles are complex or highly regulated?? I’m sure there are any number of automobile makers that would beg to differ.

Tesla are sold in North America, the EU (and the UK), Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc, etc. each of whom have different regulations for crash testing, component labeling, liabilities, etc.

And Tesla has been in trouble with the regulators more than once over their software, including allowing the driver to watch videos on the infotainment system while driving.

They're also facing investigation over phantom braking and dangerous "self driving" modes.

Musk has repeatedly shown contempt for regulation, so only a fanboy would hold them up as a good example.

They even got prohibited from selling any vehicles until they addressed the autopilot recall.

All of which supports the point that building an automobile is highly regulated.

[Frik]

It's not quite the same though is it? There are regulations that the product has to conform to. There's no regulation on how a car is designed. The NHS is vastly more complicated because it's all about how people interact with each other. Your average automotive design engineer wouldn't know where to start with that.

[ZedLeg]

Also bear in mind that Elon Musk saying something on twitter is no proof that it'll happen, be true or even legal.

[KaraK]

ZedLeg said:

Also bear in mind that Elon Musk saying something on twitter is no proof that it'll happen, be true or even legal.

Indeed, you can't take anything Mr Musk says on twitter as accurate indications of what he is going to do - he's spent considerable time and effort in court arguing that very point.

[Frik]

I still don't see how cherry picking something like this from the millions of similar tweets he receives represents accountability.

[stemll]

rscott said:

They even got prohibited from selling any vehicles until they addressed the autopilot recall.

Careful or you will set off the recall / not a recall argument again