Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[ZedLeg]

Frik said:

I still don't see how cherry picking something like this from the millions of similar tweets he receives represents accountability.

It doesn't.

It's the opposite of accountability. He just st out a tweet with no expectation of follow up.

[Gweeds]

KaraK said:

Indeed, you can't take anything Mr Musk says on twitter as accurate indications of what he is going to do - he's spent considerable time and effort in court arguing that very point.

I work on the assumption that anything he says on Twitter is bullst.

[nebpor]

768 said:

You obviously haven't been on an agile course. Or a guessing course, because neither have I.

As it happens I've written software widely used across the NHS, I see it every time I end up in a radiology department. I've since gone on to work on far more complex systems, which you still won't understand.

Listen, the main point is this - I was a few beers down last night and your post didn't warrant my tone, so apologies - you didn't deserve that response. No point complaining about PH becoming more toxic then adding to the toxicity - I should have assumed the best in your post, rather than taking a lazy shot at you

My degree is actually computer science, I work in big tech and have worked on complex stuff all my career. I previously also designed a few NHS systems (triage stuff for consultants), though that was in 2001-3 and I doubt they are in use any more, and I'd be appalled if I walked into a hospital and saw any of them on screen!

Do I agree it would be great if the leaders of large orgs could be more responsive to the needs of their consumers (within the legal and regulatory boundaries that exist)? Absolutely I do. It's been fascinating watching the world of software / startup, collide with large-scale auto manufacturing, whilst getting in cars from normal manufacturers with touch screens that have capabilities from the 90s! I give Tesla that credit. There have been downsides obviously, but there are also upsides that have forced others to up their game

[pquinn]

98elise said:

IF motion_sensor = 'TRUE'
THEN entertainment_unit = 'ON'

Doesn't seem to be a huge amount of work for those busy engineers

Wonder how high they'll manage to push the power consumption on the 'off' car with all these things active or sitting monitoring; they already seem to burn a significant amount of power just to sit parked.

[pquinn]

mko9 said:

All of which supports the point that building an automobile is highly regulated.

So are employee rights and environmental impacts and we've seen how those repeatedly get treated by certain people across all their businesses.

The rules don't matter until you get prosecuted, and even then it only matters if the punishment is significant enough, and you can use lawyers to kick most of that down the road indefinitely.

[Electro1980]

mko9 said:

rscott said:

AW111 said:

mko9 said:

nebpor said:

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

So you don’t believe automobiles are complex or highly regulated?? I’m sure there are any number of automobile makers that would beg to differ.

Tesla are sold in North America, the EU (and the UK), Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc, etc. each of whom have different regulations for crash testing, component labeling, liabilities, etc.

And Tesla has been in trouble with the regulators more than once over their software, including allowing the driver to watch videos on the infotainment system while driving.

They're also facing investigation over phantom braking and dangerous "self driving" modes.

Musk has repeatedly shown contempt for regulation, so only a fanboy would hold them up as a good example.

They even got prohibited from selling any vehicles until they addressed the autopilot recall.

All of which supports the point that building an automobile is highly regulated.

You think building a car is anything like running a project in the NHS?

[mko9]

Electro1980 said:

mko9 said:

rscott said:

AW111 said:

mko9 said:

nebpor said:

That you imagine the NHS “project plan” is composed of a couple of agile sprints is utterly mind blowing

Help me understand how a feature request for an in car entertainment option is remotely compatible to making a change in a complex, heavily regulated organisation like the NHS?

I’m struggling to comprehend how you could draw parallels between the two organisations - help me understand why you did it please …. Am I missing some logic here?

So you don’t believe automobiles are complex or highly regulated?? I’m sure there are any number of automobile makers that would beg to differ.

Tesla are sold in North America, the EU (and the UK), Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc, etc. each of whom have different regulations for crash testing, component labeling, liabilities, etc.

And Tesla has been in trouble with the regulators more than once over their software, including allowing the driver to watch videos on the infotainment system while driving.

They're also facing investigation over phantom braking and dangerous "self driving" modes.

Musk has repeatedly shown contempt for regulation, so only a fanboy would hold them up as a good example.

They even got prohibited from selling any vehicles until they addressed the autopilot recall.

All of which supports the point that building an automobile is highly regulated.

You think building a car is anything like running a project in the NHS?

Perhaps you could review this whole thread string that you just quoted and point out to everyone where I said designing a car was similar to making changes to to NHS.

[essayer]

Do organisations have to pay £1100 per month for a grey checkmark now?




If so, not sure I want to be funding Elon Musk indirectly through taxes

[off_again]

essayer said:

Do organisations have to pay £1100 per month for a grey checkmark now?




If so, not sure I want to be funding Elon Musk indirectly through taxes

Got to make that revenue from somewhere. And yes, as far as Musk is concerned, he is absolutely expecting that all businesses and government organizations to pay the price. Oh, and if you want to use the API for any reason, you pay for that too.

Paywalled article, but it seems that the drop in Twitter revenue from advertising is worse than previously reported (was down 40%):

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-30...

Basically a research agency said that their revenue from the large advertisers is down 89% now. And thats before we see the fallout from the blue tick debacle.

[Byker28i]

Some twitter code is released, Elon Musk refused to discuss the 'if author is elon' that was included in the check for if GOP or Dem, whilst claiming that check should be removed...


github
https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm/blob/7f90...

Taken out 2 hours later when musk was told publicly on twitter
https://twitter.com/kateconger/status/164197166140...

[Don1]

Was coming here to mention that. Can't possibly see how Elmo won't abuse that.

[Byker28i]

Anther day another twitter money scandal brewing

Twitter hasn’t paid thousands of dollars in charitable donations that employees made in 2022, around the time of the acquisition. The money was taken out of employee paychecks but never reached the organizations.

Benevity, the third-party platform that is used to facilitate the payments, told employees Twitter hasn’t yet approved the payments. After I started asking around about this yesterday Twitter said it is “actively working” to get the money to the NGOs.

Twitter was also supposed to match these donations but that hasn't happened either

So the employees would have made their charitable donation of their tax returns, yet that money wasn't pay? IRS Fraud?

It's a bad look that effectively along with the unpaid bills/rent/employee severance, Musk is also stealing charity money?

How long before we get a "Concerning", "on it" "Looking into it" tweet?

Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 1st April 09:28

[pquinn]

Byker28i said:

Anther day another twitter money scandal brewing

Twitter hasn’t paid thousands of dollars in charitable donations that employees made in 2022, around the time of the acquisition. The money was taken out of employee paychecks but never reached the organizations.

Benevity, the third-party platform that is used to facilitate the payments, told employees Twitter hasn’t yet approved the payments. After I started asking around about this yesterday Twitter said it is “actively working” to get the money to the NGOs.

Twitter was also supposed to match these donations but that hasn't happened either

So the employees would have made their charitable donation of their tax returns, yet that money wasn't pay? IRS Fraud?

It's a bad look that effectively along with the unpaid bills/rent/employee severance, Musk is also stealing charity money?

How long before we get a "Concerning", "on it" "Looking into it" tweet?

Doesn't sound too far off what Elon's moron brother Kimble did with his employee's 'family fund'.

(Getting into the stuff Kimble has done is a whole other rabbit hole; being a toxic POS is obviously in the Musk genes.)

[andy_s]

Any thoughts on the AI pause letter?

Not interesting.

OK.

[pquinn]

andy_s said:

Any thoughts on the AI pause letter?

Not interesting.

OK.

Just bitter over OpenAI having some success with ChatGPT now he isn't involved? Elon was getting a bit salty the other day about the money he'd put in and how others were now getting the benefit.

AI is fine when it's driving & crashing his cars, but lethal when it's a chatbot.

[Al Gorithum]

Byker28i said:

It's a bad look that effectively along with the unpaid bills/rent/employee severance, Musk is also stealing charity money?

Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 1st April 09:28

It's almost as if Musk has a high regard for Trump-like activities.

[Al Gorithum]

andy_s said:

Any thoughts on the AI pause letter?

Not interesting.

OK.

Not really interesting to me but that only thing that did occur to me was the 6 month period. Is that likely to make any difference?

[pquinn]

Al Gorithum said:

It's almost as if Musk has a high regard for Trump-like activities.

Trump is a rank amateur by comparison.

[Al Gorithum]

pquinn said:

Al Gorithum said:

It's almost as if Musk has a high regard for Trump-like activities.

Trump is a rank amateur by comparison.

True enough - not been arrested yet

[rscott]

I see the Whitehouse won't be paying for verification, nor allowing staff members to claim back Twitter Blue costs as expenses.
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/31/twitter-verificat...

I think this quote from the internal email sums up the problem with Twitter Blue perfectly:-
"It is our understanding that Twitter Blue does not provide person-level verification as a service. Thus, a blue check mark will now simply serve as a verification that the account is a paid user,"