Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter
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dobbo_ said:
How about in discovery he would have to release every single detail of how the advertising algorithm works.
Never going to happen.
He's a modern day s
t version of PT Barnum. And just enough mugs lap it up
"totally organic"Never going to happen.
He's a modern day s
t version of PT Barnum. And just enough mugs lap it up https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscour...
dobbo_ said:
the absolutey unavoidable truth
That they're all just a bunch of hypocritical virtue signaling bigots?https://www.zerohedge.com/political/japs-jewery-an...
A Florida judge found "reasonable evidence" that Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk and other managers knew the automaker's vehicles had a defective Autopilot system but still allowed the cars to be driven unsafely, according to a ruling.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-finds-evidence...
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-finds-evidence...
Byker28i said:
Musk can claim what he wants, but it wasn't MM that caused advertisers to leave twitter - it;s Musks posts.
Plus it's no secret adverts pop up next to racists posts depending on cookies, algorithms and such. Mine seem to be tyre companies at the moment.
From the filing. Plus it's no secret adverts pop up next to racists posts depending on cookies, algorithms and such. Mine seem to be tyre companies at the moment.
"This November alone Media Matters released over twenty articles (and counting) disparaging both X Corp. and Elon Musk—a blatant smear campaign
For the last several years, Media Matters has falsely portrayed Twitter, now X, as a risky, unsafe platform for advertisers. Contrary to these efforts, 99% of X’s measured ad placement in 2023 has appeared adjacent to content scoring above the Global Alliance for Responsible Media’s brand safety floor."
Are these brands still advertising on YouTube and other platforms that perform similarly on the GARM metrics as well? Seems odd then really, doesn't it?
There's no debating that this happens. It is exceedingly rare. To suggest and show otherwise is manipulation and fraud. To cut one advertising route and not others is virtue signaling nonsense. They were happy to keep advertising before this smear campaign. They're happy to keep advertising on other platforms with the same or worse metrics.
Nothing he has replied to has been anti-Semitic or racist in any way. Other than as declared by the ADL (lol) and the targeted campaign by MM.
RichTT said:
"totally organic"
Just like these?dobbo_ said:
Must be some crazy levels of manipulation going on here
https://x.com/ESGhound/status/1726790599238373759
Oh and when someone uses the word "woke" I immediately stop reading because they have shown they are a cretin https://x.com/ESGhound/status/1726790599238373759
The only reason any brand will post ‘we’re leaving Twitter’ is because they think the positive PR outweighs the impact of dropping ads.
Twitter ads have never been good when I’ve run campaigns there. Having lots of followers and engagement is many times more effective.
The Twitter democratic is a bit too savvy to respond to ads in a click to return fashion. You can’t easily measure ad value. Dumb consumers are plentiful on Meta in comparison and Google ads and email campaigns have measurable ROI that blows all social media campaigns out of the water. Results may vary for products specifically designed to appeal to social media customers, but again…the dumb consumers aren’t on Twitter.
Elon has a pretty simple brief to get as spend back on Twitter…convert the clicks to sales! Alternatively, when brands leave in a huff…close their Twitter accounts!
Twitter ads have never been good when I’ve run campaigns there. Having lots of followers and engagement is many times more effective.
The Twitter democratic is a bit too savvy to respond to ads in a click to return fashion. You can’t easily measure ad value. Dumb consumers are plentiful on Meta in comparison and Google ads and email campaigns have measurable ROI that blows all social media campaigns out of the water. Results may vary for products specifically designed to appeal to social media customers, but again…the dumb consumers aren’t on Twitter.
Elon has a pretty simple brief to get as spend back on Twitter…convert the clicks to sales! Alternatively, when brands leave in a huff…close their Twitter accounts!
RichTT said:
Byker28i said:
Musk can claim what he wants, but it wasn't MM that caused advertisers to leave twitter - it;s Musks posts.
Plus it's no secret adverts pop up next to racists posts depending on cookies, algorithms and such. Mine seem to be tyre companies at the moment.
From the filing. Plus it's no secret adverts pop up next to racists posts depending on cookies, algorithms and such. Mine seem to be tyre companies at the moment.
"This November alone Media Matters released over twenty articles (and counting) disparaging both X Corp. and Elon Musk—a blatant smear campaign
For the last several years, Media Matters has falsely portrayed Twitter, now X, as a risky, unsafe platform for advertisers. Contrary to these efforts, 99% of X’s measured ad placement in 2023 has appeared adjacent to content scoring above the Global Alliance for Responsible Media’s brand safety floor."
Are these brands still advertising on YouTube and other platforms that perform similarly on the GARM metrics as well? Seems odd then really, doesn't it?
There's no debating that this happens. It is exceedingly rare. To suggest and show otherwise is manipulation and fraud. To cut one advertising route and not others is virtue signaling nonsense. They were happy to keep advertising before this smear campaign. They're happy to keep advertising on other platforms with the same or worse metrics.
Nothing he has replied to has been anti-Semitic or racist in any way. Other than as declared by the ADL (lol) and the targeted campaign by MM.
Anyway, won't someone stop these little people from picking on the worlds wealthiest man /sarcasm
RichTT said:
I would argue that the "Media Matters screenshots" is a symptom but not the cause of Twitter's advertising issues. Everyone knows for example that you could manipulate the Google Display Network if you were so inclined to get an ad for a major brand appearing next to 'hateful content'. Google's automatic content categorisation, which allows brands to avoid advertising next to certain content, is very good but not 100% perfect. The reason this MM allegation resonates is because Musk has deliberately intertwined his personal 'brand' with Twitter. As an example, when a major PLC is considering a sponsorship deal with a famous athlete or person, they have to consider the reputational risk if that person then gets caught doing or saying something which some of their customers would find objectionable. So, in a way, these major brands are concerned their company could be tarnished by Musk's personal views which they might be seeming to tacitly endorse.
And Musk has been increasingly strident on his political beliefs in recent years, moving more 'right of centre', which automatically has the potential to annoy approximately 50% of the US adult population. Those major brands will be worried about what post or tweet he might endorse next. Whilst Musk doesn't care about how he is perceived by his political opponents or whether his opinions will get distorted, those brands don't have that luxury. They will need to be cautious about alienating portions of their customer demographic. Any post which could even have the hint of being labelled 'anti-Semetic' will be toxic.
Musk could fix this by distancing himself from "political" Twitter. He could avoid posting his political views on Twitter. Or avoiding posting anything related to highly emotive subjects like Ukraine, Russia, Jewish people, immigrants etc etc. He hasn't been elected, he isn't a politician (yet). And he could still work on the software engineering side of Twitter if he so wanted. He could also distance himself from decisions which involved ethics, like who should be banned on Twitter, by setting up a independent panel of experts, so there was at least the appearance of neutrality.
He could do all those things and still implement his plans for new features on "X". I suspect his fellow investors would thank him for it.
RichTT said:
dobbo_ said:
Oh and when someone uses the word "woke" I immediately stop reading because they have shown they are a cretin
Ah, is that because your opinions don't take kindly to being shown a mirror?We could just keep bringing up the times Musk went all in
https://newrepublic.com/post/172744/elon-musk-goes...
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 22 November 08:40
Byker28i said:
You're really starting to go down the CT rabbit holes.
Just desperate for something to be outraged at. It's ok, all the feel good, social justice buzzwords are there to make sure you know you're reading the good media and not the bad media.Soros is just like all the other political donors and activist groups, both right and left, that use money as influence and clout. It's just that the ideas of the left do not survive in the free market of ideas. As many have said, a society that focuses on putting equality of outcome ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom.
RichTT said:
Just desperate for something to be outraged at. It's ok, all the feel good, social justice buzzwords are there to make sure you know you're reading the good media and not the bad media.
Soros is just like all the other political donors and activist groups, both right and left, that use money as influence and clout. It's just that the ideas of the left do not survive in the free market of ideas. As many have said, a society that focuses on putting equality of outcome ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom.
There's no 'desperation to be outraged', why when challenged do you resort to insults? There's no need.Soros is just like all the other political donors and activist groups, both right and left, that use money as influence and clout. It's just that the ideas of the left do not survive in the free market of ideas. As many have said, a society that focuses on putting equality of outcome ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom.
Ah the Soros bogyman - so beloved by CT'ers. Whats wrong with him dumping his Tesla stock because he no longer wants to invest because of Musk. ? It's another example of Musks posts and actions having negative reactions for his businesses. It's a continuing trend.
You call it a 'free market of ideas' ignoring the money and lobby that is endemic in US politics, where money is king, where politicians can be bought.
And whats wrong with those ideals taken from the New Republic about page. Be interesting to know which site you took the highlights from...
Byker28i said:
Ah the Soros bogyman - so beloved by CT'ers. Whats wrong with him dumping his Tesla stock because he no longer wants to invest because of Musk. ? It's another example of Musks posts and actions having negative reactions for his businesses. It's a continuing trend.
Sold a highly volatile stock when it was 70% up, seems like a very shrewd move to me rather than a political statement. Strange how Musk didn’t have an issue while Soros was holding the stock 
The comparison to PT Barnum is a fantastic one.
Byker28i said:
There's no 'desperation to be outraged', why when challenged do you resort to insults? There's no need.
Ah the Soros bogyman - so beloved by CT'ers. Whats wrong with him dumping his Tesla stock because he no longer wants to invest because of Musk. ? It's another example of Musks posts and actions having negative reactions for his businesses. It's a continuing trend.
You call it a 'free market of ideas' ignoring the money and lobby that is endemic in US politics, where money is king, where politicians can be bought.
And whats wrong with those ideals taken from the New Republic about page. Be interesting to know which site you took the highlights from...
The entire modus operandi for the intellectual and activist left, is arrogance and outrage. As the arbiters of morality and justice. You see this arrogance in almost all of the social justice movements. Many on the political left are so entranced by the beauty of their vision that they cannot see the ugly reality they are creating in the real world. An activist is just someone with nothing to offer society, who will do what they believe is 'right' even when it does nothing to help those it purports to help, and in the face of overwhelming evidence, will continue to do so. Ah the Soros bogyman - so beloved by CT'ers. Whats wrong with him dumping his Tesla stock because he no longer wants to invest because of Musk. ? It's another example of Musks posts and actions having negative reactions for his businesses. It's a continuing trend.
You call it a 'free market of ideas' ignoring the money and lobby that is endemic in US politics, where money is king, where politicians can be bought.
And whats wrong with those ideals taken from the New Republic about page. Be interesting to know which site you took the highlights from...
So when using a source that has blatant liberal bias, I will call it out. No ad hominem at you, at TNR.
And I'm calling out their ideals because many of these social problems they desire to fix are just the differences between the theories of how they think the world should work, and how it does work.
Inclusive generally means excluding some portion of society to promote others because of their perceived notions of righting an injustice.
Inequality generally means taking from those that produce and giving it to those that don't. (both upwards and downwards).
These are all lovely sounding theories. But in practice it means exclusion, control, theft and discrimination. All the things they are supposed to be trying to fix.
Al Gorithum said:
Such a w@nk@.
Aside from the w@nky toxicity of the message, one doesn't wield a katana with straight arms, so he clearly doesn't know how to use it. And, Samurai's lived by a code of honour (Bushido), which Musk certainly doesn't do.
Aside from the w@nky toxicity of the message, one doesn't wield a katana with straight arms, so he clearly doesn't know how to use it. And, Samurai's lived by a code of honour (Bushido), which Musk certainly doesn't do.
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