Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[WestyCarl]

shakotan said:

captain_cynic said:

shakotan said:

The booster stage impacted into the ocean at ~2x the speed of sound, and the orbiter burned up on re-entry as its wasn't stabilised and was rotating on its axis. Since only one side of the orbiter only has heat tiles on, it wasn't properly protected from the heat generated.

Given the timescale and amount of money ploughed into the project they are miles behind where they should be.

Turns out space travel is hard.

You can't just shout Huzzah, throw a few million at it and expect a reusable space vehicle.

NASA seem to have done pretty well by it, decades ago.

Nasa obviously also rate SpaceX as they are giving them $billions and are their biggest contractor.

[ZedLeg]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Dagnir said:

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I suppose asking you to support your claims that he is racist, homophobic and misogynistic is out of the question?
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There is no point asking this question. ZedLeg has decided he is a "bad person" so that's that. Although ZedLeg is so judgemental, he could probably rival the Archangel Gabriel.

Whilst most sensible people realise, every person is a mix of 'good' and 'bad', so arguments as to who is a "good person" or a "bad person" are so reductionist, they reveal more about the naivety of the person making such claims.

I could bring a live recording of him calling someone a slur and people would still defend him.

I’m not saying anything unheard of or controversial.

Nice to see my fanclub coming out though

[honda_exige]

captain_cynic said:

shakotan said:

captain_cynic said:

shakotan said:

The booster stage impacted into the ocean at ~2x the speed of sound, and the orbiter burned up on re-entry as its wasn't stabilised and was rotating on its axis. Since only one side of the orbiter only has heat tiles on, it wasn't properly protected from the heat generated.

Given the timescale and amount of money ploughed into the project they are miles behind where they should be.

Turns out space travel is hard.

You can't just shout Huzzah, throw a few million at it and expect a reusable space vehicle.

NASA seem to have done pretty well by it, decades ago.

Yet you can't just have someone who got rich by selling financial software a few decades ago throw some money and a social media campaign at it to achieve what NASA or the Soviets did 50+ years ago.

Maybe there is more to it that people who work or worked at NASA understand.

I'd say Space X are far ahead of NASA and the Russians no? Reusable self returning boosters are something neither ever seriously attempted.

Starship is genuinely potentially transformational for space technology and I think it's harsh to say they are behind where they should be simply as nothing like this has been done before so what metric are you judging it against?

Judge it against NASAs own SLS - 5 times higher development cost and less payload capacity while not being reusable for a per launch cost of approx $2-4billion Vs Starship at $100mil per launch. Compared to NASA they are making it look easy.

[tertius]

Dagnir said:

ZedLeg said:

People answered your question straight away and provided evidence.

What discussion did you think would come when you knocked the answers and evidence back?

I’m not going to waste time trying to convince someone who doesn’t want to see.

People are allowed to hold differing opinions.


It's not my duty to believe things you tell me, neither is it your duty to convince me. It was supposed to be a conversation involving the sharing and discussion of opinions, and the reasons behind them.


I was presented an opinion... I responded with my own and the reasons behind them. That's what a discussion is.


I wasn't presented with objective facts but people seem to think that I was and therefore by disagreeing with the opinion I'm somehow refuting reality.


Despite my efforts, most of this recent discussion has been personal comments or defense from said comments, rather than discussing the actual topic.


Thats a shame.

Here's an example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...

Here's another
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/16/elon-musk-calls-an...

There are many more.

[DanL]

ZedLeg said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Dagnir said:

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I suppose asking you to support your claims that he is racist, homophobic and misogynistic is out of the question?
..

There is no point asking this question. ZedLeg has decided he is a "bad person" so that's that. Although ZedLeg is so judgemental, he could probably rival the Archangel Gabriel.

Whilst most sensible people realise, every person is a mix of 'good' and 'bad', so arguments as to who is a "good person" or a "bad person" are so reductionist, they reveal more about the naivety of the person making such claims.

I could bring a live recording of him calling someone a slur and people would still defend him.

I’m not saying anything unheard of or controversial.

Nice to see my fanclub coming out though

Instead you bring nothing, but let me help.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/elon-musk-...

I Googled - there’s loads out there, but this will do to give a flavour of the man.

[ZedLeg]

Truth be told I couldn’t be bothered

[off_again]

ZedLeg said:

He’s not a paradox, he’s a bad person who had some good ideas. The two things aren’t exclusive.

Absolutely - someone can be extremely successful and be an assh*le. You can be very clever and also be an assh*le. You can also spread lies, conspiracy theories and random crap on the internet and be an assh*le too.

Musk is successful, has had some great ideas and has built up an impressive portfolio of investments. He's still an assh*le though. They arent mutually exclusive. The concern is that some (not all) Musk fans think that because you are successful, you are some how higher on the perfect scale. Nope, thats not the case. Do I spend too much of my time obsessing about the man? Nope, not at all. But I do like to point out when he is an assh*le though, since he makes the task extremely easy!

[off_again]

KarlMac said:

Someone else mentioned it before but he’s the modern day PT Barnum, his main talent is extracting money from other peoples pockets.

Unfortunately he figured out how to sell a business. Whether this is to gain investment or to push a new product on the market, he's done a great job. The problem is that he is getting high on his own supply and has been for a number of years. From FSD to Neuralink - so many missed promises.

I had a discussion with a certified nurse here the other day - this is a highly educated individual and who deals with the medical field constantly. Asked what I thought about Neuralink? Its depressing that we have got to a world that one person can make a claim about his company on his social media platform and for some reason, the rest of the journalists in the world take this as the truth.... come on, where is the proof? Where is the video footage of this working? Where is the medical documentation around this? Shocking, we have totally lost our ability to think critically and take these PT Barnum's by their word.....

KarlMac said:

The best thing about his acquisition of Twitter is we’ve been able to witness someone fall down the right wing conspiracy rabbit hole in real time.

Musk has done a number of things, but it seems that he's found the best way to demolish a business. I would suggest that there will be MBA courses written about Twitter in the future - how not to run a business and how to demolish value in the shortest possible time.

[Dagnir]

DanL said:

Instead you bring nothing, but let me help.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/elon-musk-...

I Googled - there’s loads out there, but this will do to give a flavour of the man.

Thank you.

Some of the things he is correct about, some are him being juvenile, crass and insulting and some just a bit weird/inappropriate. Plus there are certain doubts and complaints about Tesla the company.

Don't think I saw him say anything racist, homophobic or sexist...

Lets remember that insulting a women isn't misogyny, criticising the actions of Jews, isn't antisemitism etc.

I'm not moved either way...I still think he's an egotistical, weird, eccentric tech guy with too much money and power.


Loving the impartiality of the sources btw

[Some Gump]

https://youtu.be/gRjO2JJT3qk?si=KaG0yJdqrv4F4Y-c

[dobbo_]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Dagnir said:

...

I suppose asking you to support your claims that he is racist, homophobic and misogynistic is out of the question?
..

There is no point asking this question. ZedLeg has decided he is a "bad person" so that's that. Although ZedLeg is so judgemental, he could probably rival the Archangel Gabriel.

Whilst most sensible people realise, every person is a mix of 'good' and 'bad', so arguments as to who is a "good person" or a "bad person" are so reductionist, they reveal more about the naivety of the person making such claims.

Haha yeah, so much naivety for recognising that if it walks like a duck..... Good job we have enlightened centrists to tell us where we are going wrong.

Meanwhile

Elon Musk Thinks Cannibals Are Invading the United States

Elon Musk Keeps Spreading a Very Specific Kind of Racism

and that's just the tip of the proverbial

[Byker28i]

What could possible go wrong with the thin skinned man child having that sort of power?

Elon Musk’s SpaceX is building a network of hundreds of spy satellites under a classified contract with a US intelligence agency, Reuters reported, citing five people familiar with the program.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-16...

[mko9]

What kind of power do you thing Elon Musk is going to have over satellites after he hands them off to the NRO? And how is this any different from Raytheon, or Hughes, or Lockheed, or whoever building spy satellites fo the US govt? Do you think this is the first go around for the NRO? Or is this purely based upon having Elon Musk's name attached to it, or your MDS?

I guess the NRO has looked at their success with SpaceX, Starlink, Tesla, etc, and decided they could manage one of the most important national security projects the US has.

[Byker28i]

mko9 said:

What kind of power do you thing Elon Musk is going to have over satellites after he hands them off to the NRO? And how is this any different from Raytheon, or Hughes, or Lockheed, or whoever building spy satellites fo the US govt? Do you think this is the first go around for the NRO? Or is this purely based upon having Elon Musk's name attached to it, or your MDS?

I guess the NRO has looked at their success with SpaceX, Starlink, Tesla, etc, and decided they could manage one of the most important national security projects the US has.

LOL - You've only got to look at Starlink and blocking Ukraine forces from using it, preventing attacks on russian forces.

[Byker28i]

Musk has given an interview in which he says his use of Katamine is fine, saying he takes prescribed ketamine to treat his "negative frame of mind."
https://nordot.app/1142559017884025156?c=592622757...

[mko9]

Byker28i said:

mko9 said:

What kind of power do you thing Elon Musk is going to have over satellites after he hands them off to the NRO? And how is this any different from Raytheon, or Hughes, or Lockheed, or whoever building spy satellites fo the US govt? Do you think this is the first go around for the NRO? Or is this purely based upon having Elon Musk's name attached to it, or your MDS?

I guess the NRO has looked at their success with SpaceX, Starlink, Tesla, etc, and decided they could manage one of the most important national security projects the US has.

LOL - You've only got to look at Starlink and blocking Ukraine forces from using it, preventing attacks on russian forces.

Well that is good. The NRO and CIA will also want to block the Russians from using their spy satellites. Valuable experience that.

[5 In a Row]

One of my neighbours got something through the post recently with an offer of Starlink for £29.99/month for 12 months.
Not sure why I didn't get the same.
They're going to pass the letter on at some point so I'll get to see the full offer but its cheaper than I'm currently paying for 4G wireless broadband from Vodafone or EE.

Given the shenanigans with Twitter and some of his other suspect activities (manipulating the Tesla share price for example) I'm not a Musk fan and my immediate concern would be how fickle he appears to be - would the Starlink connection be subject to that, I wonder.

[Byker28i]

5 In a Row said:

One of my neighbours got something through the post recently with an offer of Starlink for £29.99/month for 12 months.
Not sure why I didn't get the same.
They're going to pass the letter on at some point so I'll get to see the full offer but its cheaper than I'm currently paying for 4G wireless broadband from Vodafone or EE.

Given the shenanigans with Twitter and some of his other suspect activities (manipulating the Tesla share price for example) I'm not a Musk fan and my immediate concern would be how fickle he appears to be - would the Starlink connection be subject to that, I wonder.

Thats a good offer. Starlink looks to be a great solution, especially for remote locations around the world. You do need line of sight to the satellites so slightly harder in rural locations I believe. Probably Ok for use unless you want to attack russian resources

[captain_cynic]

Byker28i said:

Thats a good offer. Starlink looks to be a great solution, especially for remote locations around the world. You do need line of sight to the satellites so slightly harder in rural locations I believe. Probably Ok for use unless you want to attack russian resources

The big problem with satellite is cloud cover rather than terrain.

Also latency... But if you can get other forms of internet you'll generally choose them over satellite for that very reason.

My concern will be worrying that Starlink would go out of business suddenly. Just like every other satellite internet provider that hasn't got loads of government money being poured into it.

[Byker28i]

I've been in some remote locations, Islands, where the internet access is provided by a single company with a satellite link, hence the cost is extortionate, try almost £150 a month for 1.5mbps download 512kbps upload and 15Mb of data

or another, you pay as you use the data, so stuff like lumps of 85mb of data for £110, use it up, buy another lump with 7mb download speed.

Starlink at £80-85 looks a bargain