Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[EddieSteadyGo]

rscott said:

Follow up to the stuck throttle video - he's posted another showing how easily the pedal can slide up and get stuck...
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeHANHPA/

Pretty shoddy design by Tesla.

Certainly looks like a design mistake. Seems like an easy fix though.

[Byker28i]

EddieSteadyGo said:

rscott said:

Follow up to the stuck throttle video - he's posted another showing how easily the pedal can slide up and get stuck...
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeHANHPA/

Pretty shoddy design by Tesla.

Certainly looks like a design mistake. Seems like an easy fix though.

Weren't you the one claiming user error?

Plastic pedals with alloy covers that slip off and can jam? Not even nice alloy pedals in an expensive vehicle?

[EddieSteadyGo]

Byker28i said:

Weren't you the one claiming user error?
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I said that in relation to the other guy (the one who actually had an accident). In that thread he said not only did the accelerator press down on its own but also the brake didn't work when he tried to press it. There have been quite a few previous accident reports about Teslas not braking - they turned out to be user error. Hence why I made that comment. But I also said Tesla would have the telemetry and video footage so they will be able to determine the truth.

[Byker28i]

NHTSA now involved
https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-nhtsa-is-now-inv...

I'm reminded of the video Musk showed of it out accelerating a Porsche whilst towing one. You might not get much time to rationally think about how to stop it.

[Byker28i]

But will it be Musks form of free speech?

[stemll]

Cybertruck recalled

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9ezp0lv039o

At least we won't get the "it's not really a recall because it will be updated remotely" nonsense this time

[rscott]

stemll said:

Cybertruck recalled

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9ezp0lv039o

At least we won't get the "it's not really a recall because it will be updated remotely" nonsense this time

Maybe they can upgrade the double sided tape used to hold the trim over the doors in place too
- I https://www.threads.net/@vantazach/post/C58eVxBSqs...




Tesla do seem to have a lot of basic design issues with their vehicles. Have seen reports of the gear selection buttons (the forward/parK/reverse controls) falling off the roof and dangling by the cables.

[EddieSteadyGo]

rscott said:

Maybe they can upgrade the double sided tape used to hold the trim over the doors in place too
- I https://www.threads.net/@vantazach/post/C58eVxBSqs...




Tesla do seem to have a lot of basic design issues with their vehicles. Have seen reports of the gear selection buttons (the forward/parK/reverse controls) falling off the roof and dangling by the cables.

The most surprising thing about that ....is someone using threads?!

Re design issues, they get such a level of scrutiny, that even minor issues get amplified, so I'm not sure statistically if they are actually better/worse. Owning a model 3 and a model Y I would say they are better from my personal experience. I think its like the "EV fires" stories which are mainly FUD.

[CoolHands]

If I was on twitter I’d post this in reply every time musk posted

[Al Gorithum]

CoolHands said:

If I was on twitter I’d post this in reply every time musk posted

Would be interesting to see how long your freedom of speech lasted....

[dukeboy749r]

CoolHands said:

If I was on twitter I’d post this in reply every time musk posted

[rscott]

EddieSteadyGo said:

rscott said:

Maybe they can upgrade the double sided tape used to hold the trim over the doors in place too
- I https://www.threads.net/@vantazach/post/C58eVxBSqs...




Tesla do seem to have a lot of basic design issues with their vehicles. Have seen reports of the gear selection buttons (the forward/parK/reverse controls) falling off the roof and dangling by the cables.

The most surprising thing about that ....is someone using threads?!

Re design issues, they get such a level of scrutiny, that even minor issues get amplified, so I'm not sure statistically if they are actually better/worse. Owning a model 3 and a model Y I would say they are better from my personal experience. I think its like the "EV fires" stories which are mainly FUD.

There seem to be a lot of basic design failings with Tesla - often relatively simple things, but overlooked, possibly because they just don't have the depth of knowledge of automobile mass production.

At least the accelerator problem isn't affecting that many vehicles - less than 4,000 are included in the recall. That is the entire Cybertruck production though.

Official reason for the fault is that an unapproved lubricant (liquid soap) was used to help assemble the pedal. Quite how that can happen in a modern production facility is something I can't understand.

[dukeboy749r]

Eddie will be along shortly to confirm that at Tesla they evaluated all of the old stuf, legacy car makers used and decided, as a technology company, they weren’t bound by that ‘old crap’

[EddieSteadyGo]

dukeboy749r said:

Eddie will be along shortly to confirm that at Tesla they evaluated all of the old stuf, legacy car makers used and decided, as a technology company, they weren’t bound by that ‘old crap’

They are making the world's best selling car, so they clearly know something about making vehicles. However, they also clearly make some mistakes. Those mistakes tend to get a lot of publicity - I doubt on a statistical basis their mistakes are more prevalent than others. If anyone was really interested, they could probably look at recall notice volumes for various manufactures to get some kind of an objective answer to that question.

[rscott]

EddieSteadyGo said:

dukeboy749r said:

Eddie will be along shortly to confirm that at Tesla they evaluated all of the old stuf, legacy car makers used and decided, as a technology company, they weren’t bound by that ‘old crap’

They are making the world's best selling car, so they clearly know something about making vehicles. However, they also clearly make some mistakes. Those mistakes tend to get a lot of publicity - I doubt on a statistical basis their mistakes are more prevalent than others. If anyone was really interested, they could probably look at recall notice volumes for various manufactures to get some kind of an objective answer to that question.

The 100% recall of Cybertrucks isn't going to help their statistics...

Nor would the recall earlier this year of every Tesla sold in the US, required because they'd used too small a font for dashboard warning lights - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/t... . Like many of the Tesla recalls it can be fixed remotely via a software update.

Another example of Tesla failing basic design.

[EddieSteadyGo]

rscott said:

The 100% recall of Cybertrucks isn't going to help their statistics...

Nor would the recall earlier this year of every Tesla sold in the US, required because they'd used too small a font for dashboard warning lights - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/t... . Like many of the Tesla recalls it can be fixed remotely via a software update.

Another example of Tesla failing basic design.

The text being 'too small', which was fixed OTA, is a trivial example imo.

[Scrimpton]

rscott said:

The 100% recall of Cybertrucks isn't going to help their statistics...

Nor would the recall earlier this year of every Tesla sold in the US, required because they'd used too small a font for dashboard warning lights - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/t... . Like many of the Tesla recalls it can be fixed remotely via a software update.

Another example of Tesla failing basic design.

Ford are in the process of recalling 450k cars in the US. Yet another example of Ford failing basic design.

[rscott]

EddieSteadyGo said:

rscott said:

The 100% recall of Cybertrucks isn't going to help their statistics...

Nor would the recall earlier this year of every Tesla sold in the US, required because they'd used too small a font for dashboard warning lights - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/t... . Like many of the Tesla recalls it can be fixed remotely via a software update.

Another example of Tesla failing basic design.

The text being 'too small', which was fixed OTA, is a trivial example imo.

Yes, it was fixed OTA, but it was still an official NHTSA recall. And yes, it was trivial, but it's a clear sign that Tesla aren't spending enough resources on basic compliance. Not bothering to check you're meeting long standing federal rules is a pretty basic oversight.

There was another recall of 200,000 Tesla this year because the rear view camera would fail when reversing and the NHTSA are still investigating a potential steering failure issue.

Iseecars.com have done quite a bit of analysis of recalls (meaning anything with an official NHTSA recall ID, whether is was an OTA or workshop fix). Tesla had 4 of the top 5 most recalled vehicles.

[EddieSteadyGo]

rscott said:

Yes, it was fixed OTA, but it was still an official NHTSA recall. And yes, it was trivial, but it's a clear sign that Tesla aren't spending enough resources on basic compliance. Not bothering to check you're meeting long standing federal rules is a pretty basic oversight.

There was another recall of 200,000 Tesla this year because the rear view camera would fail when reversing and the NHTSA are still investigating a potential steering failure issue.

Iseecars.com have done quite a bit of analysis of recalls (meaning anything with an official NHTSA recall ID, whether is was an OTA or workshop fix). Tesla had 4 of the top 5 most recalled vehicles.

TBH I think the reversing camera is another trivial example if you look at the detail.

Also, the term "recall" needs to be updated. It no longer means what it used to mean with so many OTA updates and it often gets misrepresented to create a false impression.

From my experience, I've had my Model 3 for three years. My Model Y is only a few weeks old. The Model 3 has needed tyres and wiper blades. No servicing, no maintenance, no "recalls". It just always works. Perfect reliability. Plus it costs pennies per mile on 'fuel' and does 0-60 in circa 4.5 seconds.

I have two other Model Ys on business lease for two people I employ, and they have been flawless too. I can't say the same about other cars I have owned previously.

[LivLL]

Recall is the correct term, anyway isn't this a Twitter thread?