Blackpool footballer comes out as gay

[JagLover]

chrispmartha said:

Depends if you view human rights as ‘political’.

Does that include the "human right" not to wear symbols that are against your beliefs like the Footballer in the article?.

[chrispmartha]

JagLover said:

chrispmartha said:

Depends if you view human rights as ‘political’.

Does that include the "human right" not to wear symbols that are against your beliefs like the Footballer in the article?.

He didn’t wear it.

[InitialDave]

Hmm, while we're able to try and improve things here, I don't think it's right to force him to wear a pride flag when it sounds like his home country are still pretty awful about LGBT rights, it could cause him quite serious trouble.

If he himself is homophobic, that's bad, but I'd rather not jump to that conclusion immediately. If there's no evidence he is, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

I wouldn't, for example, force a Russian citizen to denounce the war in Ukraine publicly in front of a massive audience if they wanted to be going home any time in the near future.

[tangerine_sedge]

JagLover said:

This latest story seems relevant

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61492696

In the past political symbols were banned from Football, perhaps to stop issues like this developing. Now that rule is applied very inconsistently.

It depends upon whether you think showing support for the LGBTQ+ community is a political statement.

Gueye has every right to not agree with supporting LGBTQ+ rights and to not wear the shirt, but that doesn't make his viewpoint or stance immune to criticism.

[Camoradi]

tangerine_sedge said:

It depends upon whether you think showing support for the LGBTQ+ community is a political statement.

Gueye has every right to not agree with supporting LGBTQ+ rights and to not wear the shirt, but that doesn't make his viewpoint or stance immune to criticism.

His reasons for not wanting to be compelled to wear the shirt may not tell you anything about his viewpoint or stance on LGBTQ issues. He may be fully supportive (of LGBTQ rights) but against being compelled to do things to publicly demonstrate his stance on this or any other issue.

[chrispmartha]

Camoradi said:

tangerine_sedge said:

It depends upon whether you think showing support for the LGBTQ+ community is a political statement.

Gueye has every right to not agree with supporting LGBTQ+ rights and to not wear the shirt, but that doesn't make his viewpoint or stance immune to criticism.

His reasons for not wanting to be compelled to wear the shirt may not tell you anything about his viewpoint or stance on LGBTQ issues. He may be fully supportive (of LGBTQ rights) but against being compelled to do things to publicly demonstrate his stance on this or any other issue.

He wasn’t compelled to do it, he didn’t want to wear it so his club made sure he didn’t wear it.

[Camoradi]

chrispmartha said:

He wasn’t compelled to do it, he didn’t want to wear it so his club made sure he didn’t wear it.

Yes I read the article and understand that he didn't play in the match when the shirt was worn.

[Pit Pony]

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

more over, why are there mens and womens football teams? Why arent they mixed?

Because there would never be any women in the team.

I point you towards tennis and mixed doubles. 50% split.
Allow the Goalkeeper to be either.

[Antony Moxey]

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

more over, why are there mens and womens football teams? Why arent they mixed?

Because there would never be any women in the team.

I point you towards tennis and mixed doubles. 50% split.
Allow the Goalkeeper to be either.

Well duh. The clue's in the name: MIXED doubles. In any team sport where men and women compete seperately, if the seperation was removed there wouldn't be any women involved. The only time this would be different would be if there were quotas, as in your brilliant example above.

[MiniMan64]

tangerine_sedge said:

JagLover said:

This latest story seems relevant

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61492696

In the past political symbols were banned from Football, perhaps to stop issues like this developing. Now that rule is applied very inconsistently.

It depends upon whether you think showing support for the LGBTQ+ community is a political statement.

Gueye has every right to not agree with supporting LGBTQ+ rights and to not wear the shirt, but that doesn't make his viewpoint or stance immune to criticism.

I wonder what would happen if PSG made their away strip next year the rainbow flag?

At what point does refusing to wear a symbol become refusing to wear 'work uniform'?

[Pit Pony]

Antony Moxey said:

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

more over, why are there mens and womens football teams? Why arent they mixed?

Because there would never be any women in the team.

I point you towards tennis and mixed doubles. 50% split.
Allow the Goalkeeper to be either.

Well duh. The clue's in the name: MIXED doubles. In any team sport where men and women compete seperately, if the seperation was removed there wouldn't be any women involved. The only time this would be different would be if there were quotas, as in your brilliant example above.

No, I think we should have 3 leagues.
Men
Women
And
Mixed (where they are at least 5 of each on every team)

I don't watch much football.

[Antony Moxey]

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

more over, why are there mens and womens football teams? Why arent they mixed?

Because there would never be any women in the team.

I point you towards tennis and mixed doubles. 50% split.
Allow the Goalkeeper to be either.

Well duh. The clue's in the name: MIXED doubles. In any team sport where men and women compete seperately, if the seperation was removed there wouldn't be any women involved. The only time this would be different would be if there were quotas, as in your brilliant example above.

No, I think we should have 3 leagues.
Men
Women
And
Mixed (where they are at least 5 of each on every team)

I don't watch much football.

I suspect you wouldn't be the only one when it came to mixed football. Not sure why you're so keen on mixed sport anyway, what's wrong with men and women competing seperately?

[wiggy001]

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

more over, why are there mens and womens football teams? Why arent they mixed?

Because there would never be any women in the team.

I point you towards tennis and mixed doubles. 50% split.
Allow the Goalkeeper to be either.

Well duh. The clue's in the name: MIXED doubles. In any team sport where men and women compete seperately, if the seperation was removed there wouldn't be any women involved. The only time this would be different would be if there were quotas, as in your brilliant example above.

No, I think we should have 3 leagues.
Men
Women
And
Mixed (where they are at least 5 of each on every team)

I don't watch much football.

So the best men play in the men's leagues. The best women play in the women's leagues. And who plays in the mixed leagues?

[98elise]

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

Pit Pony said:

Antony Moxey said:

A500leroy said:

more over, why are there mens and womens football teams? Why arent they mixed?

Because there would never be any women in the team.

I point you towards tennis and mixed doubles. 50% split.
Allow the Goalkeeper to be either.

Well duh. The clue's in the name: MIXED doubles. In any team sport where men and women compete seperately, if the seperation was removed there wouldn't be any women involved. The only time this would be different would be if there were quotas, as in your brilliant example above.

No, I think we should have 3 leagues.
Men
Women
And
Mixed (where they are at least 5 of each on every team)

I don't watch much football.

What would be the point of the mixed league?

In a mixed league women players would be at a massive disadvantage going up against male players. It's not a problem in tennis because its not a contact sport.

[Camoradi]

wiggy001 said:

So the best men play in the men's leagues. The best women play in the women's leagues. And who plays in the mixed leagues?

Everton

[A Winner Is You]

MiniMan64 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

JagLover said:

This latest story seems relevant

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61492696

In the past political symbols were banned from Football, perhaps to stop issues like this developing. Now that rule is applied very inconsistently.

It depends upon whether you think showing support for the LGBTQ+ community is a political statement.

Gueye has every right to not agree with supporting LGBTQ+ rights and to not wear the shirt, but that doesn't make his viewpoint or stance immune to criticism.

I wonder what would happen if PSG made their away strip next year the rainbow flag?

At what point does refusing to wear a symbol become refusing to wear 'work uniform'?

And yet the same governing bodies telling players to wear the rainbow flag are the ones who gave the World Cup to Qatar, a country where Daniels would be arrested the moment he stepped off the plane for his sexuality.

[tangerine_sedge]

A Winner Is You said:

MiniMan64 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

JagLover said:

This latest story seems relevant

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61492696

In the past political symbols were banned from Football, perhaps to stop issues like this developing. Now that rule is applied very inconsistently.

It depends upon whether you think showing support for the LGBTQ+ community is a political statement.

Gueye has every right to not agree with supporting LGBTQ+ rights and to not wear the shirt, but that doesn't make his viewpoint or stance immune to criticism.

I wonder what would happen if PSG made their away strip next year the rainbow flag?

At what point does refusing to wear a symbol become refusing to wear 'work uniform'?

And yet the same governing bodies telling players to wear the rainbow flag are the ones who gave the World Cup to Qatar, a country where Daniels would be arrested the moment he stepped off the plane for his sexuality.

FIFA are not "telling players to wear rainbow flag", that's the French league doing it for one days matches. I'm not quite sure why they are trying to involve themselves in a contractual dispute between a player and his club.

FIFA shouldn't have awarded the world cup to Qatar for lots of reasons, but FIFA are a fundamentally corrupt governing body with many members only in it for personal wealth gain, but that's a different story.

[Bright Halo]

I haven’t read all the thread but just wanted to say wouldn’t it be great if we get to a time when people don’t have to come out?
I know at present it is about acceptance and helping others but at some point in our timeline hopefully not too far away it simply won’t matter and everybody is just accepted for who they are.
Why should you have to declare your sexuality, It is of nobody’s concern but yours?
As I say we are still some way off so people who are do come out in our prejudiced world are brave but at some point I hope we don’t need bravery as it simply won’t be an issue. Maybe not in my generation but I hope for the following generation.

[Pit Pony]

98elise said:

What would be the point of the mixed league?

In a mixed league women players would be at a massive disadvantage going up against male players. It's not a problem in tennis because its not a contact sport.

What little I know of football, is that it's not a contact sport.

[Randy Winkman]

Pit Pony said:

98elise said:

What would be the point of the mixed league?

In a mixed league women players would be at a massive disadvantage going up against male players. It's not a problem in tennis because its not a contact sport.

What little I know of football, is that it's not a contact sport.

There is plenty of physical contact in football and physical strength is a big advantage. I'm a fan of football from the "old days" but I wonder if George Best would get much a look-in nowadays? He would have all of the skills but I fear he simply wouldn't have the strength and power to compete. I might be wrong though.