Blackpool footballer comes out as gay
Discussion
Bright Halo said:
I haven’t read all the thread but just wanted to say wouldn’t it be great if we get to a time when people don’t have to come out?
I know at present it is about acceptance and helping others but at some point in our timeline hopefully not too far away it simply won’t matter and everybody is just accepted for who they are.
Why should you have to declare your sexuality, It is of nobody’s concern but yours?
As I say we are still some way off so people who are do come out in our prejudiced world are brave but at some point I hope we don’t need bravery as it simply won’t be an issue. Maybe not in my generation but I hope for the following generation.
I agree, however people think coming out is a one time thing. It's actually every time you become involved with new people for a length of time, such as a new job/colleague/boss, new schoolmates, new sports/hobby/social group. I know at present it is about acceptance and helping others but at some point in our timeline hopefully not too far away it simply won’t matter and everybody is just accepted for who they are.
Why should you have to declare your sexuality, It is of nobody’s concern but yours?
As I say we are still some way off so people who are do come out in our prejudiced world are brave but at some point I hope we don’t need bravery as it simply won’t be an issue. Maybe not in my generation but I hope for the following generation.
There's that old "did you just assume my gender" meme with the angry person that people laugh at, however it genuinely is waring that people assume you to be straight until you have to tell them otherwise. Coming out for the first time is always difficult, even with a positive reception. To some extent you are reliving that every time.
InitialDave said:
Hmm, while we're able to try and improve things here, I don't think it's right to force him to wear a pride flag when it sounds like his home country are still pretty awful about LGBT rights, it could cause him quite serious trouble.
If he himself is homophobic, that's bad, but I'd rather not jump to that conclusion immediately. If there's no evidence he is, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
I wouldn't, for example, force a Russian citizen to denounce the war in Ukraine publicly in front of a massive audience if they wanted to be going home any time in the near future.
Would you take the same stance on a Muslim refusing to wear a kit with alcohol sponsorship?If he himself is homophobic, that's bad, but I'd rather not jump to that conclusion immediately. If there's no evidence he is, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
I wouldn't, for example, force a Russian citizen to denounce the war in Ukraine publicly in front of a massive audience if they wanted to be going home any time in the near future.
Bright Halo said:
I haven’t read all the thread but just wanted to say wouldn’t it be great if we get to a time when people don’t have to come out?
I know at present it is about acceptance and helping others but at some point in our timeline hopefully not too far away it simply won’t matter and everybody is just accepted for who they are.
Why should you have to declare your sexuality, It is of nobody’s concern but yours?
As I say we are still some way off so people who are do come out in our prejudiced world are brave but at some point I hope we don’t need bravery as it simply won’t be an issue. Maybe not in my generation but I hope for the following generation.
Yes it would be but we're not there yet sadly.I know at present it is about acceptance and helping others but at some point in our timeline hopefully not too far away it simply won’t matter and everybody is just accepted for who they are.
Why should you have to declare your sexuality, It is of nobody’s concern but yours?
As I say we are still some way off so people who are do come out in our prejudiced world are brave but at some point I hope we don’t need bravery as it simply won’t be an issue. Maybe not in my generation but I hope for the following generation.
I don't think it's right people have to live their lives in fear of some scumbag newspaper running "Blackpool footballer leaves gay nightclub with mystery man exclusive" and it's that sort of s
thousery that might be part of his or others decision making.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Yes it would be but we're not there yet sadly.
I don't think it's right people have to live their lives in fear of some scumbag newspaper running "Blackpool footballer leaves gay nightclub with mystery man exclusive" and it's that sort of sthousery that might be part of his or others decision making.
I do wish someone would start a vigilante group that would jump on clear cut nonsense 'exclusive' cases like the one you portrayed. It would be great for them to find out the names of the photographer, the journalist, the sub-editor and editor and subject their lives to the same sort of forensic examination for a period of time I don't think it's right people have to live their lives in fear of some scumbag newspaper running "Blackpool footballer leaves gay nightclub with mystery man exclusive" and it's that sort of s
thousery that might be part of his or others decision making.
Bright Halo said:
I haven’t read all the thread but just wanted to say wouldn’t it be great if we get to a time when people don’t have to come out?
I know at present it is about acceptance and helping others but at some point in our timeline hopefully not too far away it simply won’t matter and everybody is just accepted for who they are.
Why should you have to declare your sexuality, It is of nobody’s concern but yours?
As I say we are still some way off so people who are do come out in our prejudiced world are brave but at some point I hope we don’t need bravery as it simply won’t be an issue. Maybe not in my generation but I hope for the following generation.
The reason people come out is because everyone around them has assumed they are straight when they’re not, and they either went along with it for a period of time or they didn’t. It’s not necessarily a prejudice problem (the people making that assumption might not be homophobic). I know at present it is about acceptance and helping others but at some point in our timeline hopefully not too far away it simply won’t matter and everybody is just accepted for who they are.
Why should you have to declare your sexuality, It is of nobody’s concern but yours?
As I say we are still some way off so people who are do come out in our prejudiced world are brave but at some point I hope we don’t need bravery as it simply won’t be an issue. Maybe not in my generation but I hope for the following generation.
As a previous poster said it’s something people have to do all the time.
There is always backlash on PH when stories about relationship education to younger children hit the news.
Edited by gregs656 on Sunday 22 May 14:40
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Does anyone remember a thread on here where people were literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?
People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
But they are fortunate to have you and your encyclopdiac memory to remind them of their funnyness.t because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Does anyone remember a thread on here where people were literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?
People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
"Literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
t"? Nope, I can't remember seeing that anywhere.
You (and a couple of others) seem to me to keep inferring that people on here are apoplectic if they don't agree with your super-inclusive stance on anything and everything. I think the highest level or anger/disgust/intolerance to other viewpoints comes from you (and a couple of others) towards your fellow PHers. Mocking, cyncism, and disbelief, yes I see that aplenty, but not the sort of "let's go and smash up a gay" intolerance you repeatedly seem to suggest.
I didn't say anything about "let's go and smash up a gay" did I?
The thread is easy enough to find and it's 50 odd pages because a company changed their logo to Pride colours in a show of support.
Seems kind of relevant when people ask why this brave lad chose to do what he did or why it's even being reported as news.
The thread is easy enough to find and it's 50 odd pages because a company changed their logo to Pride colours in a show of support.
Seems kind of relevant when people ask why this brave lad chose to do what he did or why it's even being reported as news.
I'd normally not click on these threads as I don't overly care much about premiership football (I do attend local matches in both Irish leagues) and although I'm for gay rights I'm lazy about caring about them as they don't affect me. But I thought this was a great headline that made me feel a bit better - Biggest parade in North isn’t the Twelfth, it’s Pride’. We're not the bunch of backward s in NI that the DUP would have you believe (them being the most likely side of NI politics your average Brit will hear from these days unless they scratch further).
As an aside, not a fan of the indo paper but do like Joe Brolly some of the time.
It shouldn't be a story that a footballer comes out, but it still is. Some of the reaction on this thread explains why.
s in NI that the DUP would have you believe (them being the most likely side of NI politics your average Brit will hear from these days unless they scratch further).As an aside, not a fan of the indo paper but do like Joe Brolly some of the time.
It shouldn't be a story that a footballer comes out, but it still is. Some of the reaction on this thread explains why.
OnTheBreadline said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Does anyone remember a thread on here where people were literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?
People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
"Literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
t"? Nope, I can't remember seeing that anywhere.
You (and a couple of others) seem to me to keep inferring that people on here are apoplectic if they don't agree with your super-inclusive stance on anything and everything. I think the highest level or anger/disgust/intolerance to other viewpoints comes from you (and a couple of others) towards your fellow PHers. Mocking, cyncism, and disbelief, yes I see that aplenty, but not the sort of "let's go and smash up a gay" intolerance you repeatedly seem to suggest.
Down and out said:
Not really, some people are fed up with lbgtrstuv being rammed down their throats.
Black_S3 said:
No... it’s ridiculous that a professional service is waving a pride flag in people’s faces. If a normal person went into their workplace waving flags that explain their sexual preferences they would get people complaining quite quickly.
AnthT said:
Must admit, I’m getting sick of the whole thing
I couldn’t give a st what people do with their bodies, what colour they are or what they believe in
I’m just not interested
But fk me! I’m getting sick of all this being rammed down my throat (no pun intended)
I couldn’t give a s
t what people do with their bodies, what colour they are or what they believe inI’m just not interested
But f
k me! I’m getting sick of all this being rammed down my throat (no pun intended)Rick101 said:
Getting tiresome having a rainbow waved at you everywhere you turn.
My Revolut app has just joined the latest bandwagon.
I've since closed my account and will go elsewhere. There simply is no need for it.
My Revolut app has just joined the latest bandwagon.
I've since closed my account and will go elsewhere. There simply is no need for it.
Kev_Mk3 said:
I totally agree with this statement. Every other week it seems to be pride in my local town, ballons in rainbow colours all over the office, Lanyards in rainbow colours supporting pride etc.
I really couldn't give a s**t. If they want to be what ever they are then so be it but dont shout from the roof tops then moan when it suits sorry. I don't moan we dont get a heterosexual day or I didnt get what I wanted as I am straight.
Sad that alot use LBGT as a fad to get what they want.
(yes I have gone off on a tangent sorry)
I really couldn't give a s**t. If they want to be what ever they are then so be it but dont shout from the roof tops then moan when it suits sorry. I don't moan we dont get a heterosexual day or I didnt get what I wanted as I am straight.
Sad that alot use LBGT as a fad to get what they want.
(yes I have gone off on a tangent sorry)
hyphen said:
Latest Android reviews: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com....
A string of 1 star reviews Barclays had no need to collect... Wonder how many hardcore religious types have un-installed the app. even if not left Barclays.
A string of 1 star reviews Barclays had no need to collect... Wonder how many hardcore religious types have un-installed the app. even if not left Barclays.
tangerine_sedge said:
OnTheBreadline said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Does anyone remember a thread on here where people were literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?
People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
"Literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
t"? Nope, I can't remember seeing that anywhere.
You (and a couple of others) seem to me to keep inferring that people on here are apoplectic if they don't agree with your super-inclusive stance on anything and everything. I think the highest level or anger/disgust/intolerance to other viewpoints comes from you (and a couple of others) towards your fellow PHers. Mocking, cyncism, and disbelief, yes I see that aplenty, but not the sort of "let's go and smash up a gay" intolerance you repeatedly seem to suggest.
Down and out said:
Not really, some people are fed up with lbgtrstuv being rammed down their throats.
Black_S3 said:
No... it’s ridiculous that a professional service is waving a pride flag in people’s faces. If a normal person went into their workplace waving flags that explain their sexual preferences they would get people complaining quite quickly.
AnthT said:
Must admit, I’m getting sick of the whole thing
I couldn’t give a st what people do with their bodies, what colour they are or what they believe in
I’m just not interested
But fk me! I’m getting sick of all this being rammed down my throat (no pun intended)
I couldn’t give a s
t what people do with their bodies, what colour they are or what they believe inI’m just not interested
But f
k me! I’m getting sick of all this being rammed down my throat (no pun intended)Rick101 said:
Getting tiresome having a rainbow waved at you everywhere you turn.
My Revolut app has just joined the latest bandwagon.
I've since closed my account and will go elsewhere. There simply is no need for it.
My Revolut app has just joined the latest bandwagon.
I've since closed my account and will go elsewhere. There simply is no need for it.
Kev_Mk3 said:
I totally agree with this statement. Every other week it seems to be pride in my local town, ballons in rainbow colours all over the office, Lanyards in rainbow colours supporting pride etc.
I really couldn't give a s**t. If they want to be what ever they are then so be it but dont shout from the roof tops then moan when it suits sorry. I don't moan we dont get a heterosexual day or I didnt get what I wanted as I am straight.
Sad that alot use LBGT as a fad to get what they want.
(yes I have gone off on a tangent sorry)
I really couldn't give a s**t. If they want to be what ever they are then so be it but dont shout from the roof tops then moan when it suits sorry. I don't moan we dont get a heterosexual day or I didnt get what I wanted as I am straight.
Sad that alot use LBGT as a fad to get what they want.
(yes I have gone off on a tangent sorry)
hyphen said:
Latest Android reviews: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com....
A string of 1 star reviews Barclays had no need to collect... Wonder how many hardcore religious types have un-installed the app. even if not left Barclays.
A string of 1 star reviews Barclays had no need to collect... Wonder how many hardcore religious types have un-installed the app. even if not left Barclays.
t."Thanks for proving my point.
OnTheBreadline said:
tangerine_sedge said:
OnTheBreadline said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Does anyone remember a thread on here where people were literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?
People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
"Literally losing their st because a bank (Barclays I think) changed the logo on their app to the Pride colours during Pride month?People can be very funny about this "forced on them" stuff.
t"? Nope, I can't remember seeing that anywhere.
You (and a couple of others) seem to me to keep inferring that people on here are apoplectic if they don't agree with your super-inclusive stance on anything and everything. I think the highest level or anger/disgust/intolerance to other viewpoints comes from you (and a couple of others) towards your fellow PHers. Mocking, cyncism, and disbelief, yes I see that aplenty, but not the sort of "let's go and smash up a gay" intolerance you repeatedly seem to suggest.
Down and out said:
Not really, some people are fed up with lbgtrstuv being rammed down their throats.
Black_S3 said:
No... it’s ridiculous that a professional service is waving a pride flag in people’s faces. If a normal person went into their workplace waving flags that explain their sexual preferences they would get people complaining quite quickly.
AnthT said:
Must admit, I’m getting sick of the whole thing
I couldn’t give a st what people do with their bodies, what colour they are or what they believe in
I’m just not interested
But fk me! I’m getting sick of all this being rammed down my throat (no pun intended)
I couldn’t give a s
t what people do with their bodies, what colour they are or what they believe inI’m just not interested
But f
k me! I’m getting sick of all this being rammed down my throat (no pun intended)Rick101 said:
Getting tiresome having a rainbow waved at you everywhere you turn.
My Revolut app has just joined the latest bandwagon.
I've since closed my account and will go elsewhere. There simply is no need for it.
My Revolut app has just joined the latest bandwagon.
I've since closed my account and will go elsewhere. There simply is no need for it.
Kev_Mk3 said:
I totally agree with this statement. Every other week it seems to be pride in my local town, ballons in rainbow colours all over the office, Lanyards in rainbow colours supporting pride etc.
I really couldn't give a s**t. If they want to be what ever they are then so be it but dont shout from the roof tops then moan when it suits sorry. I don't moan we dont get a heterosexual day or I didnt get what I wanted as I am straight.
Sad that alot use LBGT as a fad to get what they want.
(yes I have gone off on a tangent sorry)
I really couldn't give a s**t. If they want to be what ever they are then so be it but dont shout from the roof tops then moan when it suits sorry. I don't moan we dont get a heterosexual day or I didnt get what I wanted as I am straight.
Sad that alot use LBGT as a fad to get what they want.
(yes I have gone off on a tangent sorry)
hyphen said:
Latest Android reviews: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com....
A string of 1 star reviews Barclays had no need to collect... Wonder how many hardcore religious types have un-installed the app. even if not left Barclays.
A string of 1 star reviews Barclays had no need to collect... Wonder how many hardcore religious types have un-installed the app. even if not left Barclays.
t."Thanks for proving my point.
OnTheBreadline said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I didn't say anything about "let's go and smash up a gay" did I?
Not literally, but a part of me thinks a part of you would be in absolute HEAVEN if they did. And I'd be in "absolute HEAVEN" if when events like this came about everyone simply said "good lad".
tangerine_sedge said:
It's all about perspective - people were closing their accounts because companies had changed their app logo temporarily to a rainbow. You need to read the first 10 pages or so, to read the increasingly bizarre edge cases people were using to explain why they didn't want a rainbow app icon.
The irony being Pistonheads changed their logo to a rainbow one!tangerine_sedge said:
It's all about perspective - people were closing their accounts because companies had changed their app logo temporarily to a rainbow. You need to read the first 10 pages or so, to read the increasingly bizarre edge cases people were using to explain why they didn't want a rainbow app icon.
I steered away from using Halifax for something because of their stupid horse adverts. Not sure what sort of phobe that makes me but If people believe any of the banks care about anyone at all then they're insane. Banks will know that some marketing will have a negative effect so weigh up that negative against the positive effect they predict. Sometimes they get it wrong, like Gillett.
The more they get it wrong and the more negative reactions they receive the less of these awful jumping on the band waggon advertising campaigns we will see, hopefully.
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