RMT union vote for a national rail strike

[legzr1]

JagLover said:

If most people don't mind, and in fact are pleased to have a chance to WFH, it doesn't really matter does it.

We have tried WFH, and did it for months on end for no real ill-effect. So the rail unions can hardly hold the country to ransom.

I take on board the point that many people cannot work from home, but the point is that the majority of rail commuters can.

If that is the case then why all the cries of ‘holding the nation to ransom’?

[pavarotti1980]

legzr1 said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Coming from the angle of knowing bot all about railways.

At least you’re honest about it.

I buy a ticket, turn up and get and off train.

The process has always been much better, less stressful and seemingly cheaper on the continent

[Munter]

legzr1 said:

No.

What I did was hinted that you don’t really have a clue and are simply repeating the same things that have been covered in this thread already.

Your ‘basic’ understanding isn’t even basic.

Keeping the points you’ve made in your head, try re-visiting the thread from the start.

T-shirts on the RMT site?

You're still deflecting by bringing up t-shirts. Why? That's the very thing you were complaining the other poster did. And that weirdly you're now jumping on. Presumably because you do not understand the point I was making.

You don't want to talk about any of the points I did raise? Or are you going to continue to deflect by using some fringe issue around t-shirts, the very thing I saw you originally complain about?

[Tommo87]

ZedLeg said:

The conservative party is openly and brazenly corrupt though, they've stopped even trying to hide. They've gone through 2 ethics advisors already this year

All political parties and unions are corrupt, unless you can openly ignore the historic things like passports for Foreign contributors to the Labour Party, and grace and favour vehicles to union cronies.

Edited by Tommo87 on Thursday 23 June 16:00

[legzr1]

Vasco said:

Everything to date suggests that the % increase will largely be down to the RMT members themselves. It's simply going to boil down to how prepared rail staff are to accept revised Terms & Conditions.
Refusal to accept changes probably means 3% max.........it's then over to you....

I fully expect RMT members to accept some changes in T&Cs. It’s what they’ve done for over 100 years and I don’t see that changing.

Refusal to accept any changes would result in 0%.

The 3% you mention is 2% + 0.5% increments only when all the changes are accepted.

Has the idea of compulsory redundancies been dropped?

[legzr1]

Munter said:

You're still deflecting by bringing up t-shirts. Why? That's the very thing you were complaining the other poster did. And that weirdly you're now jumping on. Presumably because you do not understand the point I was making.

You don't want to talk about any of the points I did raise? Or are you going to continue to deflect by using some fringe issue around t-shirts, the very thing I saw you originally complain about?

You posted on here saying you understood the basics.
Clearly you don’t.

You ‘attempted’ some research on the RMT site (which I read as looking for fuel for your non-fire) and found nothing.
Except the T-shirt.

Do you have a specific question?

[FiF]

legzr1 said:

Vasco said:

Everything to date suggests that the % increase will largely be down to the RMT members themselves. It's simply going to boil down to how prepared rail staff are to accept revised Terms & Conditions.
Refusal to accept changes probably means 3% max.........it's then over to you....

I fully expect RMT members to accept some changes in T&Cs. It’s what they’ve done for over 100 years and I don’t see that changing.

Refusal to accept any changes would result in 0%.

The 3% you mention is 2% + 0.5% increments only when all the changes are accepted.

Has the idea of compulsory redundancies been dropped?

I thought compulsories were now out of the window as they have a lot more volunteers than positions to be lost.

[crankedup5]

legzr1 said:

JagLover said:

If most people don't mind, and in fact are pleased to have a chance to WFH, it doesn't really matter does it.

We have tried WFH, and did it for months on end for no real ill-effect. So the rail unions can hardly hold the country to ransom.

I take on board the point that many people cannot work from home, but the point is that the majority of rail commuters can.

If that is the case then why all the cries of ‘holding the nation to ransom’?

In honesty that was a ‘shout out’ that I made in the earlier parts of this thread. Now the strikes are in process it will be interesting to hear and see wether that ‘shout out ‘ was altogether wrong. I expect it will be major inconvenience for rail users rather than my earlier response.

[valiant]

Munter said:

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. 7% rise. Pahahahahahahaha fk off. If anybody needs a 7% rise it's frontline healthcare. This lot can take the 3% and be happy with it. Dearie me.

Excellent. So when Unison start campaigning for a pay rise in line with inflation and start threatening strike action when it’s not forthcoming they can expect your full support on the picket line.

Edited by valiant on Thursday 23 June 16:16

[legzr1]

FiF said:

I thought compulsories were now out of the window as they have a lot more volunteers than positions to be lost.

Ok,

The pics earlier (by Rigga?) were blurred and difficult to read on a small screen.

Progress if that is the case.

[Tommo87]

valiant said:

Munter said:

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. 7% rise. Pahahahahahahaha fk off. If anybody needs a 7% rise it's frontline healthcare. This lot can take the 3% and be happy with it. Dearie me.

Excellent. So when Unison start campaigning for a pay rise in line with inflation and start threatening strike action they can expect your full support on the picket line.

Yes.

[Munter]

valiant said:

Munter said:

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. 7% rise. Pahahahahahahaha fk off. If anybody needs a 7% rise it's frontline healthcare. This lot can take the 3% and be happy with it. Dearie me.

Excellent. So when Unison start campaigning for a pay rise in line with inflation and start threatening strike action when it’s not forthcoming they can expect your full support on the picket line.

Edited by valiant on Thursday 23 June 16:16

No. But IF (small but important word). IF someone was to get 7% that's who I'd want to get it ahead of RMT members.

[valiant]

Tommo87 said:

valiant said:

Munter said:

Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. 7% rise. Pahahahahahahaha fk off. If anybody needs a 7% rise it's frontline healthcare. This lot can take the 3% and be happy with it. Dearie me.

Excellent. So when Unison start campaigning for a pay rise in line with inflation and start threatening strike action they can expect your full support on the picket line.

Yes.

Good on you. (Seriously )

However as we saw during the doctors strike a few years back, they will demonised by many including by some on here and labelled as communist or Marxist or whatever for having the temerity to ask for a inflationary payrise.

[colin79666]

https://twitter.com/TSting18/status/15399653327852...


Got to hand it to Mick Lynch, he comes across very well unlike too many union reps before him.

[Munter]

legzr1 said:

Munter said:

You're still deflecting by bringing up t-shirts. Why? That's the very thing you were complaining the other poster did. And that weirdly you're now jumping on. Presumably because you do not understand the point I was making.

You don't want to talk about any of the points I did raise? Or are you going to continue to deflect by using some fringe issue around t-shirts, the very thing I saw you originally complain about?

You posted on here saying you understood the basics.
Clearly you don’t.

You ‘attempted’ some research on the RMT site (which I read as looking for fuel for your non-fire) and found nothing.
Except the T-shirt.

Do you have a specific question?

Lets see.

To your points.

No I didn't. What I said: Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. E.g. I'm not fully up to speed but the basic premise seems laughable, it's unlikely the fine detail will improve that and I can't be arsed to find it based on the laughable basics..

No I didn't. What I said: "...on their website, are reportedly T-Shirt's in support of..." The concept of you complaining about the poster using them as a distraction, and you then (amazingly) also using them as a distraction is...just an amazing about face on your part.

No I don't have a question. I made some points. Questions and points I'd suggest are often different things.

[Vasco]

RMTs Lynch on BBC News says that potential Compulsory Redundancy needs to be removed (....so isn't yet...) and the RMT will then discuss what the employers want to discuss.

Network Rail say that they were close to a deal yesterday, but RMT withdrew to have further discussions.

[Carbon Sasquatch]

Vasco said:

RMTs Lynch on BBC News says that potential Compulsory Redundancy needs to be removed (....so isn't yet...) and the RMT will then discuss what the employers want to discuss.

Network Rail say that they were close to a deal yesterday, but RMT withdrew to have further discussions.

That's where I lose sympathy - jobs for life for the boys.

OK - negotiate enhanced redundancy terms, but resisting redundancies for jobs that just aren't needed anymore seems just so old school.

[legzr1]

Munter said:

legzr1 said:

Munter said:

You're still deflecting by bringing up t-shirts. Why? That's the very thing you were complaining the other poster did. And that weirdly you're now jumping on. Presumably because you do not understand the point I was making.

You don't want to talk about any of the points I did raise? Or are you going to continue to deflect by using some fringe issue around t-shirts, the very thing I saw you originally complain about?

You posted on here saying you understood the basics.
Clearly you don’t.

You ‘attempted’ some research on the RMT site (which I read as looking for fuel for your non-fire) and found nothing.
Except the T-shirt.

Do you have a specific question?

Lets see.

To your points.

No I didn't. What I said: Anyway, I just caught up with some of the basics after ignoring this bull for a few days. E.g. I'm not fully up to speed but the basic premise seems laughable, it's unlikely the fine detail will improve that and I can't be arsed to find it based on the laughable basics..

No I didn't. What I said: "...on their website, are reportedly T-Shirt's in support of..." The concept of you complaining about the poster using them as a distraction, and you then (amazingly) also using them as a distraction is...just an amazing about face on your part.

No I don't have a question. I made some points. Questions and points I'd suggest are often different things.

Then we agree.

You don’t understand the basics, haven’t read the thread and looked for posts that counter your points and you’re not buying a T-shirt.

Next time, Comrade.

[legzr1]

valiant said:

Excellent. So when Unison start campaigning for a pay rise in line with inflation and start threatening strike action when it’s not forthcoming they can expect your full support on the picket line.

Edited by valiant on Thursday 23 June 16:16

Don’t forget the clapping and bashing of pots and pans.

Surely that’s worth a reduction of a % or 2 in any pay demands?

[legzr1]

Carbon Sasquatch said:

That's where I lose sympathy - jobs for life for the boys.

OK - negotiate enhanced redundancy terms, but resisting redundancies for jobs that just aren't needed anymore seems just so old school.

Apparently there are more applications for VR than the numbers for compulsory redundancy demanded by NR/government.
Why not just remove that requirement and move on?

You’d almost think there was an agenda here.
That has even been suggested by another Union who have negotiated a 7% no-strings deal just today.