RMT union vote for a national rail strike

[legzr1]

kestral said:

Because under the socialist Labour governments of the 70's it was an agreement in the rule book that there would be no compulsory redundancies on the railway, only job redeployment.

As did many other nationalised industries.

Privatisation removed that from the rule book but the RMT still have it as their policy.

WTF do you get your ‘facts’ from?

[RicksAlfas]

In parts of Yorkshire the buses are on strike as well as the trains.
The bus company have offered 12% but the union won't even put this to its members!
Doesn't there come a point where the members can say they will accept without the union management agreeing?

https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/strike-upd...

[valiant]

RicksAlfas said:

In parts of Yorkshire the buses are on strike as well as the trains.
The bus company have offered 12% but the union won't even put this to its members!
Doesn't there come a point where the members can say they will accept without the union management agreeing?

https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/strike-upd...

I see what you’re saying but remember there’s two sides to every press release and we don’t know what strings are attached. If they’re too onerous then what looks like a great pay increase could actually end up as detrimental once the new full package is taken into account.

If the union thinks there’s more to negotiate like terms and conditions then it makes more sense to get everything negotiated before putting it to there members to accept or reject.

[survivalist]

FiF said:

Can imagine a teacher's strike would have an impact. All those families who now have to stay at home or arrange childcare somehow.

I think there’d be more support for pay increase for teachers - among parents at least.

It’s not like demand for education has gone down post-pandemic so no real need to protect teachers from redundancy either.

[Vasco]

survivalist said:

FiF said:

Can imagine a teacher's strike would have an impact. All those families who now have to stay at home or arrange childcare somehow.

I think there’d be more support for pay increase for teachers - among parents at least.

It’s not like demand for education has gone down post-pandemic so no real need to protect teachers from redundancy either.

Many parents would always be supportive of teachers - it avoids them having to look after their own 'Little Darlings' too much.

[Johnnytheboy]

survivalist said:

FiF said:

Can imagine a teacher's strike would have an impact. All those families who now have to stay at home or arrange childcare somehow.

I think there’d be more support for pay increase for teachers - among parents at least.

It’s not like demand for education has gone down post-pandemic so no real need to protect teachers from redundancy either.

The teachers are hardly likely to start industrial action at this time of year!

[survivalist]

Johnnytheboy said:

survivalist said:

FiF said:

Can imagine a teacher's strike would have an impact. All those families who now have to stay at home or arrange childcare somehow.

I think there’d be more support for pay increase for teachers - among parents at least.

It’s not like demand for education has gone down post-pandemic so no real need to protect teachers from redundancy either.

The teachers are hardly likely to start industrial action at this time of year!

Well quite, less than 5 weeks to go.

Point remains, I’d be far more worried by a teachers strike than rail workers, airport workers l, postal workers etc

[legzr1]

survivalist said:

Well quite, less than 5 weeks to go.

Point remains, I’d be far more worried by a teachers strike than rail workers, airport workers l, postal workers etc

What about all of them + the odd NHS department?

[Vasco]

legzr1 said:

survivalist said:

Well quite, less than 5 weeks to go.

Point remains, I’d be far more worried by a teachers strike than rail workers, airport workers l, postal workers etc

What about all of them + the odd NHS department?

I'd guess that only the NHS and teachers would concern most of the country.

[foxbody-87]

Armchair_Expert said:

Welcome to UK policing.

Username checks out

[eliot]

kestral said:

Legacywr said:

How can you think it’s even possible NOT to have CR in any industry/jobs market?

Because under the socialist Labour governments of the 70's it was an agreement in the rule book that there would be no compulsory redundancies on the railway, only job redeployment

Weren’t they known as ‘green carders’ which is something attached to a piece of equipment to be scrapped ?

[eliot]

foxbody-87 said:

Armchair_Expert said:

Welcome to UK policing.

Username checks out

Probably 300’s alternative account.

[legzr1]

Vasco said:

I'd guess that only the NHS and teachers would concern most of the country.

You’re probably right.

Although here we are, page 75.

[Johnnytheboy]

legzr1 said:

Vasco said:

I'd guess that only the NHS and teachers would concern most of the country.

You’re probably right.

Although here we are, page 75.

Tbh, of the unionised remnants of the workforce, I'd only really notice if the binmen went on strike.

... and fuel tanker drivers, obviously.

Edited by Johnnytheboy on Saturday 25th June 08:23

[legzr1]

eliot said:

kestral said:

Legacywr said:

How can you think it’s even possible NOT to have CR in any industry/jobs market?

Because under the socialist Labour governments of the 70's it was an agreement in the rule book that there would be no compulsory redundancies on the railway, only job redeployment

Weren’t they known as ‘green carders’ which is something attached to a piece of equipment to be scrapped ?

As already said, it’s a moot point because no one has suggested what Legacywr said (quoted above.)

Obviously, that won’t stop kestral posting more nonsense.

‘Green carders’ relates to staff no longer medically fit enough for the mainline.
Green cards on vehicles are ‘for repair’ hence the term.
It’s an old term and I know of nowhere that utilises the idea or term since the mid-90s.

Red card is more serious and not to be moved until repair.
Those to be scrapped are ‘condemned’ with a large X.

[kestral]

eliot said:

Weren’t they known as ‘green carders’ which is something attached to a piece of equipment to be scrapped ?

No idea I just know that RMT train divers get £70,000 for a 35 hr 4 day week. And 100% pension 2/3 paid for by the company and are never made redundant ever.

[legzr1]

kestral said:

No idea .

Agreed

[Chicken Chaser]

kestral said:

No idea I just know that RMT train divers get £70,000 for a 35 hr 4 day week. And 100% pension 2/3 paid for by the company and are never made redundant ever.

Who told you that?

[Tommo87]

Tlandcruiser said:

survivalist said:

They are also, one would imagine, some of the most profitable trains to run.

It’s the day trippers/ leisure customers which are the most profitable

Nope. It’s the commuter trains that generate the higher profit per trip.

Day tripper trains are rarely full outside the summer holidays, and the price per passenger is usually based on a discounted price.

Commuter trains used to have additional standing passengers every working day and the per day ticket price was higher.

Edited by Tommo87 on Saturday 25th June 08:27

[Tommo87]

eliot said:

kestral said:

Legacywr said:

How can you think it’s even possible NOT to have CR in any industry/jobs market?

Because under the socialist Labour governments of the 70's it was an agreement in the rule book that there would be no compulsory redundancies on the railway, only job redeployment

Weren’t they known as ‘green carders’ which is something attached to a piece of equipment to be scrapped ?

Is that bit in bold really true?

I have even less empathy for them now, if they have been enjoying that benefit over hard working people in other industries.