RMT union vote for a national rail strike

[Leicester Loyal]

FWIW said:

Would VR get the right redundancies, or the right ‘number’ of redundancies?

We'll definitely have a couple wanting it, maybe even three, they'll be going within 12 months anyway so may aswell take VR (NR will know this and not offer it to them though, obviously). I doubt they'd offer it to anyone in my depot though, we can't even fill the roster as it is.

[legzr1]

FWIW said:

Would VR achieve the right redundancies?

Possibly.
Possibly not.
It has worked in the past.

But, as long as the threat of CR remains, it’s a moot point.

[legzr1]

anonymous said:

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DB pension are not affordable so DC only for ‘new starters’ but that’s just unions protecting ‘senior’ members?

It’s funny but I remember unions arguing with employers when RPS sectors were running at a considerable surplus and demands were being made to reduce employee/employer contributions. Government legislation put in place to actual limit the amount of surplus a pension fund could run at.

Seems a little daft now.

I’m guessing you’ll be aware that many of the bars to new starters getting the ‘full benefits’ of pensions and salaries and 3-5 years of fully productive work before base salary attained are direct results of pay and T&C negotiations over the years. Improvements in voluntary redundancy packages in return for limits on who can enter DB schemes, VR over CR in return for newly qualified staff being paid 80% of the going rate with incremental increases eventually attaining full basic.

You seem to be painting a slightly different picture of things…

[Stedman]

legzr1 said:

Cobnapint said:

Unbelievable ignorance and unwarranted cheek in one single post.

The railway is more or less out there on it's own as far as safety procedures and rules go. It is the way it is because it NEEDS to be the way it is.
Without being in it and understanding how it works (like I have for over 42 years, just retired) then I'd probably have found myself posting like you too.

Quite.

Fairly recently I’ve had younger chaps in my company apply for and pass the exams for mainline driving.
Some have a decade of experience of shunting in yards, wagons maintenance and generally a working life spent on the line.

One or two come along with a certain arrogance built up from climbing between wagons, coupling locos and turning the odd point. Far more real life experience than some of the more vocal characters in this thread. Infinitely more experience than the most vocal.

Then they sit their rules and traction exams.

Once that sinks in they start getting a taste of the real railway. Not the foolish, stuck in the 19th century bks often portrayed in this thread.
The first time on a large TIII, KW”s of mobile lighting structures, millions of £ worth of equipment and a large orange army of workers doing their thing at 3am in the pissing snow is quite the eye opener.

But I’m sure Vasco could teach the PICOP, ES or COSS quite a lot based on his transferrable skills from his version of the ‘real world’.

Sheer arrogance mixed with a dose of being unable or unwilling to admit there’s a chance his opinion is based on the square root of fk all and definitely not based on railway safety.

Still, it wins an internet battle or something.

Enjoy the retirement.
I have a feeling you already are

But they just go straight though, mate. You and I both know that. Plus all the mainline stuff is automated.

Think I'll step away from this thread after 3 pages of reading

[legzr1]

Stedman said:

But they just go straight though, mate. You and I both know that. Plus all the mainline stuff is automated.

Think I'll step away from this thread after 3 pages of reading

Three pages just about covers it.

The other 90 are the same few people posting the same utter tosh.


Are you still taking the rough with the smooth?

[Stedman]

legzr1 said:

Three pages just about covers it.

The other 90 are the same few people posting the same utter tosh.


Are you still taking the rough with the smooth?

Always do i hope you are too.

[Leicester Loyal]

'£1 billion technology investment to bring railway into 21st century '

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1-billion-techn...

They should just buy a billion pounds worth of buses

[valiant]

Leicester Loyal said:

'£1 billion technology investment to bring railway into 21st century '

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1-billion-techn...

They should just buy a billion pounds worth of buses

But, but, but modernisation…


see, it happens all the time

[irc]

Leicester Loyal said:

'£1 billion technology investment to bring railway into 21st century '

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1-billion-techn...

They should just buy a billion pounds worth of buses

Seriously yes. The biggest issue buses have for me at 6ft3 is comfort. That is easily sorted.




Thereafter some route modifcation to speed up journey times. It is acceptable for urban train stations to be a mile or so apart reducing stops. I would remove half of urban bus stops.

[legzr1]

ETCS?

So not ERTMS that has had years + £millions thrown at it?

[FWIW]

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

Would VR achieve the right redundancies?

Possibly.
Possibly not.
It has worked in the past.

But, as long as the threat of CR remains, it’s a moot point.

I.e. No.
Surely, the possibility of CRs *has* to remain.

[legzr1]

FWIW said:

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

Would VR achieve the right redundancies?

Possibly.
Possibly not.
It has worked in the past.

But, as long as the threat of CR remains, it’s a moot point.

I.e. No.
Surely, the possibility of CRs *has* to remain.

I.E. yes or no but it’s not been allowed to progress as normal by Shapps, DfT, Tories.

[FWIW]

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

Would VR achieve the right redundancies?

Possibly.
Possibly not.
It has worked in the past.

But, as long as the threat of CR remains, it’s a moot point.

I.e. No.
Surely, the possibility of CRs *has* to remain.

I.E. yes or no but it’s not been allowed to progress as normal by Shapps, DfT, Tories.

FFS. I despair.
It really is no surprise that there is little support for this action.

[valiant]

FWIW said:

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

Would VR achieve the right redundancies?

Possibly.
Possibly not.
It has worked in the past.

But, as long as the threat of CR remains, it’s a moot point.

I.e. No.
Surely, the possibility of CRs *has* to remain.

I.E. yes or no but it’s not been allowed to progress as normal by Shapps, DfT, Tories.

FFS. I despair.
It really is no surprise that there is little support for this action.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mic...

[legzr1]

FWIW said:

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

legzr1 said:

FWIW said:

Would VR achieve the right redundancies?

Possibly.
Possibly not.
It has worked in the past.

But, as long as the threat of CR remains, it’s a moot point.

I.e. No.
Surely, the possibility of CRs *has* to remain.

I.E. yes or no but it’s not been allowed to progress as normal by Shapps, DfT, Tories.

FFS. I despair.
It really is no surprise that there is little support for this action.

Rather than despair simply read what’s written.

Would VR achieve the right redundancies?

WTF knows?

Certainly not you.

What I DO know is that is what’s been achieved in the past.


Again, it’s a moot point. Pointless question. Totally irrelevant. UNTIL they’re allowed to discuss VR.


The link provided above should show you that the PhBubble doesn’t necessarily reflect the mood of the country.

[FWIW]

valiant said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mic...

Pick a poll, any poll…

[legzr1]

FWIW said:

Pick a poll, any poll…

Doesn’t the one provided suit the narrative?

[FWIW]

legzr1 said:

Doesn’t the one provided suit the narrative?

Best of 3?

[valiant]

FWIW said:

legzr1 said:

Doesn’t the one provided suit the narrative?

Best of 3?

Oooh, desperate…

[FWIW]

legzr1 said:

UNTIL they’re allowed to discuss VR.

I didn’t realise that ‘they’ weren’t allowed to discuss VR. I support that. Crazy not to; as equally crazy as taking CR out of the equation.