RMT union vote for a national rail strike
Discussion
matchmaker said:
Vasco said:
rjfp1962 said:
Good plan.......let's think......poorly paid, don't want to change any T&Cs, whingeing all the way to the bank......Am I doing this right ? - or have they more credibility than the RMT ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62125059
BBC said:
ScotRail drivers will see their pay climb by 5% and also get more money for rest day and Sunday working, driving instructor and maternity pay along with a policy of no compulsory redundancies for the next five years.
The nationalised train operator said 2.2% of the increase would be funded by Transport Scotland with the remaining 2.8% coming from ScotRail's funds.
ScotRail came back into public ownership for the first time in 25 years in April, after previous operator Abellio had its franchise ended early over criticism of the quality of the service.
The nationalised train operator said 2.2% of the increase would be funded by Transport Scotland with the remaining 2.8% coming from ScotRail's funds.
ScotRail came back into public ownership for the first time in 25 years in April, after previous operator Abellio had its franchise ended early over criticism of the quality of the service.
Pebbles167 said:
I could get behind the network rail staff, but not this lot.
I've had a 2.2% pay increase this year, much like anyone else who was lucky enough to get one at all.
Has it been said anywhere how much they want? Something daft like 10% no doubt.
Let us know when you get a pay rise that matches the cost of living then will ya mate, we’ll all hang on asking for ours until you get yours. I've had a 2.2% pay increase this year, much like anyone else who was lucky enough to get one at all.
Has it been said anywhere how much they want? Something daft like 10% no doubt.
anonymous said:
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So basically….The TOCs who went into virtual Government control when profits could not be maintained and a reduced serviced offered to allow essential workers to get to/from work?
The ASLEF members who went to work every day and were paid the going rate whilst you ‘suffered massively’?
Are those the sort of evil b
ds you’re describing here?Vasco said:
Good plan.......let's think......poorly paid, don't want to change any T&Cs, whingeing all the way to the bank......
Am I doing this right ? - or have they more credibility than the RMT ?
Not sure if you’re ‘doing it right’ but you’re certainly consistent in the way you have no idea of the demands yet will have a pop anyway.Am I doing this right ? - or have they more credibility than the RMT ?
Congrats, of sorts…
legzr1 said:
Vasco said:
Good plan.......let's think......poorly paid, don't want to change any T&Cs, whingeing all the way to the bank......
Am I doing this right ? - or have they more credibility than the RMT ?
Not sure if you’re ‘doing it right’ but you’re certainly consistent in the way you have no idea of the demands yet will have a pop anyway.Am I doing this right ? - or have they more credibility than the RMT ?
Congrats, of sorts…
[.....disappointed at the slow response ...]
Pebbles167 said:
I could get behind the network rail staff, but not this lot.
I've had a 2.2% pay increase this year, much like anyone else who was lucky enough to get one at all.
Has it been said anywhere how much they want? Something daft like 10% no doubt.
2.2% more than what drivers have received since 2019…I've had a 2.2% pay increase this year, much like anyone else who was lucky enough to get one at all.
Has it been said anywhere how much they want? Something daft like 10% no doubt.
anonymous said:
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None (drivers) got furloughed (bar a few operators like Eurostar). So while seemingly half the country sat on its arse at home, rail staff among other key and critical workers went out and carried on. 80% pay (and a lot of firms made up the difference to 100% pay) to sit at home during a glorious summer doing f
k all. Excuse me whilst my cup of sympathy runneth dry. Same people moaning that the government spent billions during covid and that it’s now coming around to bite them in the arse through the cost of living crisis. Funny that…
Leicester Loyal said:
Should they not ask for a payrise until the rest of society has caught up wages wise then? Or should they wait until they start being laid off before asking for a payrise?
Inflation right now is being driven by global prressures, it’s not the case that everyone and his dog is getting a huge payrise and the poor aslef members being left behind. What they are asking for is to be the one and only group protected when the rest of us are not, against a backdrop where the public have already paid their salaries for most of the last two years. No payrise since 2019? Boo hoo.
ReallyReallyGood said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Should they not ask for a payrise until the rest of society has caught up wages wise then? Or should they wait until they start being laid off before asking for a payrise?
Inflation right now is being driven by global prressures, it’s not the case that everyone and his dog is getting a huge payrise and the poor aslef members being left behind. What they are asking for is to be the one and only group protected when the rest of us are not, against a backdrop where the public have already paid their salaries for most of the last two years. No payrise since 2019? Boo hoo.
Saying we want a pay rise so we can keep buying as much this year as we did three years ago is economic nonsense and socially unjust because it means ASLEF is trying to insulate its members from inflation at the direct expense of the rest of society. Inflation hits us all. We need to share that hit across society. The people we should be protecting are those at the bottom end of the income range and that ain't ASLEF members.
ATG said:
ReallyReallyGood said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Should they not ask for a payrise until the rest of society has caught up wages wise then? Or should they wait until they start being laid off before asking for a payrise?
Inflation right now is being driven by global prressures, it’s not the case that everyone and his dog is getting a huge payrise and the poor aslef members being left behind. What they are asking for is to be the one and only group protected when the rest of us are not, against a backdrop where the public have already paid their salaries for most of the last two years. No payrise since 2019? Boo hoo.
Saying we want a pay rise so we can keep buying as much this year as we did three years ago is economic nonsense and socially unjust because it means ASLEF is trying to insulate its members from inflation at the direct expense of the rest of society. Inflation hits us all. We need to share that hit across society. The people we should be protecting are those at the bottom end of the income range and that ain't ASLEF members.
This is where rail unions can shoot themselves in the foot, albeit possibly unintentionally.
They tend to make comments like 'we don't care about others' and 'we will strike until we get what we want' - of course, as a union, they're only using the strength of their organisation to support the wishes of their members (and would be wrong if they didn't) but the likely effect on poorer parts of the country is never considered.
We know that unions can do good at local levels, but they need to address their stance, and communication style, when it comes from their top level.
Vasco said:
ATG said:
ReallyReallyGood said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Should they not ask for a payrise until the rest of society has caught up wages wise then? Or should they wait until they start being laid off before asking for a payrise?
Inflation right now is being driven by global prressures, it’s not the case that everyone and his dog is getting a huge payrise and the poor aslef members being left behind. What they are asking for is to be the one and only group protected when the rest of us are not, against a backdrop where the public have already paid their salaries for most of the last two years. No payrise since 2019? Boo hoo.
Saying we want a pay rise so we can keep buying as much this year as we did three years ago is economic nonsense and socially unjust because it means ASLEF is trying to insulate its members from inflation at the direct expense of the rest of society. Inflation hits us all. We need to share that hit across society. The people we should be protecting are those at the bottom end of the income range and that ain't ASLEF members.
This is where rail unions can shoot themselves in the foot, albeit possibly unintentionally.
They tend to make comments like 'we don't care about others' and 'we will strike until we get what we want' - of course, as a union, they're only using the strength of their organisation to support the wishes of their members (and would be wrong if they didn't) but the likely effect on poorer parts of the country is never considered.
We know that unions can do good at local levels, but they need to address their stance, and communication style, when it comes from their top level.
NRS said:
Or... perhaps the others who get crap rises could have a union to stick up for them too? Which is why a lot of large companies try and stop them forming (see US with Amazon etc).
Yes, possibly, but we seem to have old school unions here in the UK. Memories of Scargill, and never helped to this day by the blackmail tactics of the RMT etc.It needs a modern, forward thinking, union who can drop the anti-everything approach.
Cobnapint said:
The RMT isn't anti-'everything'. Don't believe all the crap you hear in the press.
Lynch isn't going to actually say 'anti everything' is he - so he said that he wouldn't accept any changes to Terms & Conditions. Much the same thing when it comes to the major issues. I'm sure many unions, including the RMT, are good at local issues (indeed, I've said so myself) but both management and unions could progress much better if there was a greater deal of co-operation and understanding at the top levels.
anonymous said:
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They are definitely about pay, conditions and some of the ridiculous (and dangerous) proposals put forward by the clueless bean counters at NR/DfT.NR have already (I hear) dropped some of those proposals.
Believe me. The union isn't just protecting it's members here, it is protecting the safety of your next train journey and saving NR from itself. I can't say any more than that.
Cobnapint said:
anonymous said:
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They are definitely about pay, conditions and some of the ridiculous (and dangerous) proposals put forward by the clueless bean counters at NR/DfT.NR have already (I hear) dropped some of those proposals.
Believe me. The union isn't just protecting it's members here, it is protecting the safety of your next train journey and saving NR from itself. I can't say any more than that.
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