RMT union vote for a national rail strike
Discussion
Vasco said:
Absolutely, though I doubt the rail staff on here will understand, let alone accept it.
Those same rail staff who moan about 'overpaid fat bosses' - yes, the very senior people who have to make any difficult decisions about safety. No doubt, the senior people who recognise that staff numbers are far too high and can be safely reduced - that's why they are in a senior position.
.......but rail staff will always try to play the safety card. That's how they've got away with blackmailing others (for far too long)
Those same rail staff who moan about 'overpaid fat bosses' - yes, the very senior people who have to make any difficult decisions about safety. No doubt, the senior people who recognise that staff numbers are far too high and can be safely reduced - that's why they are in a senior position.
.......but rail staff will always try to play the safety card. That's how they've got away with blackmailing others (for far too long)
Legacywr said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I've never had any allowances or worked a days OT so can't comment on those but basic is £54k for an average 35 hr week (varies between 25 and 55hrs pw).
Can you break this down a bit further, an average 35 hr week becomes 25 to 55 hr week how?6 afters shifts in a week, all of which will be 8-10 hrs gives you the longest weeks. 3 or 4 earlies which for some reason tend to be shorter and you have a much easier week.
Stedman said:
ATG said:
Here's a clue. Safety is not the union's responsibility.
If you feel unsafe at work, take it up with your regulator, take it up with your boss, or whoever. If all the responsible bodies disagree with your assessment, then go work somewhere else.
This gave me a chuckle.If you feel unsafe at work, take it up with your regulator, take it up with your boss, or whoever. If all the responsible bodies disagree with your assessment, then go work somewhere else.
New offer made by Network Rail to the RMT - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62141374
Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Stedman said:
I'd be interested to see the detailed changes. Pay up 10% (for arguments sake) means naff all if your weekend supplement is being reduced/withdrawn/other and you're made to work a lot more weekends/nights/whatever.
This is the crux of it. Really can't see them accepting on the evidence in the Beeb link above. And sounds like they are cutting maintenance to the bone too...ATG said:
legzr1 said:
ATG said:
That's an empty platitude.
Of course in a trivial sense safety is everyone's responsibility, including the passengers. But when it comes to defining roles and responsibilities between organisations, it makes no sense at all to say everyone can second-guess everyone else's decisions. Ultimately decisions have to be made and responsibility has to be held by an identifiable group who can be held accountable. Responsibility and accountability go hand in hand. Saying everyone is responsible means that no one is accountable, and that is hopelessly lax where a proper safety culture is required.
Empty platitudes and trivial? Of course in a trivial sense safety is everyone's responsibility, including the passengers. But when it comes to defining roles and responsibilities between organisations, it makes no sense at all to say everyone can second-guess everyone else's decisions. Ultimately decisions have to be made and responsibility has to be held by an identifiable group who can be held accountable. Responsibility and accountability go hand in hand. Saying everyone is responsible means that no one is accountable, and that is hopelessly lax where a proper safety culture is required.
Clueless to the responsibilities and nature of the industry and ignorant of the risks.
Ever thought of a middle-management role in NR?
you don't do irony, do you.FWIW said:
ATG said:
That's an empty platitude.
Of course in a trivial sense safety is everyone's responsibility, including the passengers. But when it comes to defining roles and responsibilities between organisations, it makes no sense at all to say everyone can second-guess everyone else's decisions. Ultimately decisions have to be made and responsibility has to be held by an identifiable group who can be held accountable. Responsibility and accountability go hand in hand. Saying everyone is responsible means that no one is accountable, and that is hopelessly lax where a proper safety culture is required.
It’s surprising that this needs explaining. Of course in a trivial sense safety is everyone's responsibility, including the passengers. But when it comes to defining roles and responsibilities between organisations, it makes no sense at all to say everyone can second-guess everyone else's decisions. Ultimately decisions have to be made and responsibility has to be held by an identifiable group who can be held accountable. Responsibility and accountability go hand in hand. Saying everyone is responsible means that no one is accountable, and that is hopelessly lax where a proper safety culture is required.
alangla said:
New offer made by Network Rail to the RMT - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62141374
Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Rejected hopefully.Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Rostered 39 weekends a year
Travel discount will be taken out of our salary pre-tax (just like the BR days), so it'll cost us regardless. Loss of maintenance staff etc. Payrise isn't that bad, but having to accept all the T&Cs with it is pretty poor.
Slowly realising that a lot of the blokes (and ladies) on track probably won't be working here in 10 years, it's only going one way.
Leicester Loyal said:
alangla said:
New offer made by Network Rail to the RMT - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62141374
Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Rejected hopefully.Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Rostered 39 weekends a year
Travel discount will be taken out of our salary pre-tax (just like the BR days), so it'll cost us regardless. Loss of maintenance staff etc. Payrise isn't that bad, but having to accept all the T&Cs with it is pretty poor.
Slowly realising that a lot of the blokes (and ladies) on track probably won't be working here in 10 years, it's only going one way.
Leicester Loyal said:
alangla said:
New offer made by Network Rail to the RMT - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62141374
Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Rejected hopefully.Will be interesting to see if the union put this to the membership or kybosh it before then. On the face of it, it appears fairly attractive and if anything, more generous than the ScotRail/ASLEF offer that was accepted yesterday.
Rostered 39 weekends a year
Travel discount will be taken out of our salary pre-tax (just like the BR days), so it'll cost us regardless. Loss of maintenance staff etc. Payrise isn't that bad, but having to accept all the T&Cs with it is pretty poor.
Slowly realising that a lot of the blokes (and ladies) on track probably won't be working here in 10 years, it's only going one way.
Edited by Gareth1974 on Wednesday 13th July 13:29
Legacywr said:
Having to work 39 weekends out of 52 doesn't sound good.
Aye that's the big one for me as I started after 2014.Feel like I don't spend enough time with my missus atm, can't imagine working 3 out of 4 weekends when I've got kids etc.
Also football is my main hobby, would have to pretty much give that up if I'm working that many weekends (or basically use all my annual leave for it)
anonymous said:
[redacted]
The extra weekend working is for maintenance staff, not passenger facing staff, weekends still present the best opportunities for maintenance work to take place, and with the maintenance headcount being proposed to be reduced by a third, they’ll need he remaining staff to work more weekends to be able to maximise the utilisation of weekend possessions. 
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Possession times are almost entirely driven by the rail operators. It would be much better for Network Rail to have a better spread of work across the week, so that not only can staff be utilised more effectively, on track machines such as tampers would be more efficiently used, instead of doing 2 days work per week.Legacywr said:
Having to work 39 weekends out of 52 doesn't sound good.
Depends on the shift pattern, I worked 3 weekends out of 4 for most of my time in the police. I quite enjoyed having days off in the week.Also had at least 2 long changeovers( 24 hours between shifts) a month.
Horses for courses I guess.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff