RMT union vote for a national rail strike
Discussion
The Mad Monk said:
Look. It's just some random, anonymous bloke on t'internet spouting off.
Mind you, train drivers are paid too much for what is a semi-skilled job. Many/most/much of the railway lines/system is/are now automated - the Elizabeth line for example.
A good yardstick is to see how long the queue is when a job becomes vacant.
How many drivers are RMT members?Mind you, train drivers are paid too much for what is a semi-skilled job. Many/most/much of the railway lines/system is/are now automated - the Elizabeth line for example.
A good yardstick is to see how long the queue is when a job becomes vacant.
What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
valiant said:
How many drivers are RMT members?
What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
The readership will take notice that at no point has any attempt be made to justify the sums paid to some rail workers. Just a lot of puff and bluster.What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
The Mad Monk said:
valiant said:
How many drivers are RMT members?
What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
The readership will take notice that at no point has any attempt be made to justify the sums paid to some rail workers. Just a lot of puff and bluster.What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
The Mad Monk said:
Look. It's just some random, anonymous bloke on t'internet spouting off.
Mind you, train drivers are paid too much for what is a semi-skilled job. Many/most/much of the railway lines/system is/are now automated - the Elizabeth line for example.
A good yardstick is to see how long the queue is when a job becomes vacant.
People queue up to become pilots, special forces soldiers, doctors, firefighters etc. Most aren’t suitable or don’t pass the entry exams. It’s not a yardstick for pay.Mind you, train drivers are paid too much for what is a semi-skilled job. Many/most/much of the railway lines/system is/are now automated - the Elizabeth line for example.
A good yardstick is to see how long the queue is when a job becomes vacant.
valiant said:
The Mad Monk said:
valiant said:
How many drivers are RMT members?
What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
The readership will take notice that at no point has any attempt be made to justify the sums paid to some rail workers. Just a lot of puff and bluster.What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
We know that most drivers are ASLEF and many other positions are RMT - one shouts occasionally, the other shouts all the time for just about anything......
Vasco said:
To be honest, it doesn't take much to realise that jobs that can attract multiple applications for any vacancies are probably well rewarded whereas ongoing vacancies, with difficulty in recruiting, probably highlights where rewards are not so attractive.
We know that most drivers are ASLEF and many other positions are RMT - one shouts occasionally, the other shouts all the time for just about anything......
Because ASLEF cover one position and RMT cover hundreds, they'll obviously be more 'shouts' as they'll be many more issues and a wider range of them effecting their members.We know that most drivers are ASLEF and many other positions are RMT - one shouts occasionally, the other shouts all the time for just about anything......
Leicester Loyal said:
Vasco said:
To be honest, it doesn't take much to realise that jobs that can attract multiple applications for any vacancies are probably well rewarded whereas ongoing vacancies, with difficulty in recruiting, probably highlights where rewards are not so attractive.
We know that most drivers are ASLEF and many other positions are RMT - one shouts occasionally, the other shouts all the time for just about anything......
Because ASLEF cover one position and RMT cover hundreds, they'll obviously be more 'shouts' as they'll be many more issues and a wider range of them effecting their members.We know that most drivers are ASLEF and many other positions are RMT - one shouts occasionally, the other shouts all the time for just about anything......
Vasco said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Vasco said:
To be honest, it doesn't take much to realise that jobs that can attract multiple applications for any vacancies are probably well rewarded whereas ongoing vacancies, with difficulty in recruiting, probably highlights where rewards are not so attractive.
We know that most drivers are ASLEF and many other positions are RMT - one shouts occasionally, the other shouts all the time for just about anything......
Because ASLEF cover one position and RMT cover hundreds, they'll obviously be more 'shouts' as they'll be many more issues and a wider range of them effecting their members.We know that most drivers are ASLEF and many other positions are RMT - one shouts occasionally, the other shouts all the time for just about anything......
valiant said:
The Mad Monk said:
valiant said:
How many drivers are RMT members?
What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
The readership will take notice that at no point has any attempt be made to justify the sums paid to some rail workers. Just a lot of puff and bluster.What qualifies you to judge train drivers salaries? What’s your experience and insight into the job?
What proportion of rail workers are drivers?
Hardly any of the rail network is automated. Only the central core of the Elizabeth Line is ATO (still needs a driver on board) and the outer sections is conventionally signalled.
Random bloke off the internet needs to at least read the thread before spouting off and displaying his ignorance for all to see…
Graveworm said:
The railways get more qualified applicants than vacancies at all grades and roles - which is not the case for all publicly funded roles. I still have heard no reason why the railway workers should get paid more, in those circumstances. rather than the roles that actually can't recruit and retain.
Applying for a role does not mean you are capable of performing the role. See pilots, doctors, firemen, etc. And do you agree these named roles should be paid relative to the numbers that apply, or the skills/responsibility that are required for the role?Based on the poor standard of driving on the roads, I would say 75% of people rule themselves out of being a train driver.
How many times have you been in a taxi and thought I wish the driving was better? How many times have you thought the same thing when travelling on a plane or train? I expect for the latter never, because the standard required is so much higher as the consequences of an error are so much worse.
Ashfordian said:
Graveworm said:
The railways get more qualified applicants than vacancies at all grades and roles - which is not the case for all publicly funded roles. I still have heard no reason why the railway workers should get paid more, in those circumstances. rather than the roles that actually can't recruit and retain.
Applying for a role does not mean you are capable of performing the role. See pilots, doctors, firemen, etc. And do you agree these named roles should be paid relative to the numbers that apply, or the skills/responsibility that are required for the role?Based on the poor standard of driving on the roads, I would say 75% of people rule themselves out of being a train driver.
How many times have you been in a taxi and thought I wish the driving was better? How many times have you thought the same thing when travelling on a plane or train? I expect for the latter never, because the standard required is so much higher as the consequences of an error are so much worse.
Ashfordian said:
Applying for a role does not mean you are capable of performing the role. See pilots, doctors, firemen, etc. And do you agree these named roles should be paid relative to the numbers that apply, or the skills/responsibility that are required for the role?
Based on the poor standard of driving on the roads, I would say 75% of people rule themselves out of being a train driver.
How many times have you been in a taxi and thought I wish the driving was better? How many times have you thought the same thing when travelling on a plane or train? I expect for the latter never, because the standard required is so much higher as the consequences of an error are so much worse.
I’m sure if you fitted OTMR along with the external CCTV fitted to most trains then taxi driving would improve overnight. I remember some spectacularly bad driving back in pre OTMR times.Based on the poor standard of driving on the roads, I would say 75% of people rule themselves out of being a train driver.
How many times have you been in a taxi and thought I wish the driving was better? How many times have you thought the same thing when travelling on a plane or train? I expect for the latter never, because the standard required is so much higher as the consequences of an error are so much worse.
(OTMR = On Train Monitoring and Recording - think aircraft black box level of recording of driver action and the train’s response, download regularly and used to assess the driver)
On the recruitment/retention point, I’d suggest a better measure might be the ratio of suitable applicants to roles rather than just raw applicants.
Ashfordian said:
Applying for a role does not mean you are capable of performing the role. See pilots, doctors, firemen, etc. And do you agree these named roles should be paid relative to the numbers that apply, or the skills/responsibility that are required for the role?
There appear to be significant recruitment and retention issues with Doctors (and also Nurses, Teachers etc). As far as I'm aware Pilots, Firemen and Train drivers don't have the same issues. To me that suggests that their pay is enough to attract the necessary calibre of candidates. Countdown said:
There appear to be significant recruitment and retention issues with Doctors (and also Nurses, Teachers etc). As far as I'm aware Pilots, Firemen and Train drivers don't have the same issues. To me that suggests that their pay is enough to attract the necessary calibre of candidates.
Do you have know the details of vacancies and number/calibre of applicants for jobs other than drivers? (You know, the subject of the thread?).legzr1 said:
Do you have know the details of vacancies and number/calibre of applicants for jobs other than drivers? (You know, the subject of the thread?).
I don't.My understanding is that vacancies are fairly limited because it's such a popular job.
Are Train companies struggling to recruit drivers of the necessary calibre?
Countdown said:
I don't.
My understanding is that vacancies are fairly limited because it's such a popular job.
Are Train companies struggling to recruit drivers of the necessary calibre?
It would appear not. A search for Scotrail vacanciesMy understanding is that vacancies are fairly limited because it's such a popular job.
Are Train companies struggling to recruit drivers of the necessary calibre?
within 50 miles of Glasgow produced 3 management jobs and one conductor post (in Perth). Looks like near full staffing for Scotrail.
https://apply.scotrail.co.uk/vacancies
As a matter of fact a few years ago I looked for railway jobs at any level when I was between jobs. There was zero in the Glasgow area then.
Vasco said:
RMT call another strike for 2nd June.
Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
Can someone have a quiet word with the Govt and kindly point out adding very last second conditions to in principle agreed deals negotiated between the RMT and Rail Companies scuppers those deals.Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
But then this Govt want to have this fight.
cirian75 said:
Vasco said:
RMT call another strike for 2nd June.
Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
Can someone have a quiet word with the Govt and kindly point out adding very last second conditions to in principle agreed deals negotiated between the RMT and Rail Companies scuppers those deals.Can someone have a quiet word with them and kindly point out that they have no chance of getting what they want. They are just reminding other people how Scargill etc thought they were far more important than they really were.
But then this Govt want to have this fight.
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