If Britain rejoined the EU tomorrow…

[tangerine_sedge]

Ivan stewart said:

Ivan stewart said:

Kermit power said:

You're welcome to call whatever you want, however given that I was posting in it on Jan 26th (to give just one example from before we started this discussion) what do you think is most probable? That I somehow managed to interact completely randomly with other people in a thread I haven't read, or that I have read it as I said.

Anyway, feel free to come up with those tangible benefits whenever you're ready.

Apart from regaining our sovereignty, knowing that various politicians gravy trains have hit the buffers,
And most importantly it has upset Tony Blair and other total shysters , which on its own makes Brexit awesome ..

It was never about pure economics ,
Wondering if remnants will ever accept that ??

So why did Boris stand in front of a bus with £350M written on the side?

[maz8062]

As far as I can see some tangible benefits of Brexit is full employment and increased salaries in certain industries. I didn’t vote for Brexit but have benefited in this way as has the price of my property increased due the spike in demand.

For some folk, a more controlled job market without the competition of cheap labour from Europe has been a godsend.

But all is not as it seems. Full employment has empowered workers, with strikes breaking out left right and centre. Staff shortages are contributing to flight cancellations and all manner of uncomfortable experiences for consumers. These will all get resolved in the end - higher wages and higher costs. Simple. For example, a round trip to Italy for the school summer holidays - mum plus 2 kids aged 5 & 9. Ryannnair £1100, thanks. That’s right £1100 for a 2.5 hour flight.

Oh, and £2.11 for a litre of super unleaded fuel. The UK is a relatively small economy compared to the trading blocks around the world. We don’t have any leverage, so when our GOVT asks for something, the companies don’t have to oblige because the demand in most cases is in elastic.

Inflation, staff shortages, strikes, discontent. When have we been in this position in our recent history?

For example, what happened to the relaxation of the competition laws for the fuel retailers when it was relaxed due to fake shortages? This would never have happened when we were in the EU, but it is obvious now that the consumer is not benefiting from it. Will it ever change back? Unlikely, because the GOVT doesn’t have any real power.

Now, some will say it’s worse in Europe - they’ll cherry pick the sectors and the metrics, but the difference is that we have to solve all of our problems by ourselves - they can pull together as a block and resolve issues to a much better extent than we can.

Brexit will be a disaster for this country for sure. Much worse than predicted IMO. Will we ever re-join? No way Jose, but I can see a closer working relationship with the EU once this bunch of alt right fascists move on and make way for more centrist leaning policies. Until then best to make hay while the sun is shining.

[Kermit power]

crankedup5 said:

It’s been said a thousand times, it is far to early to judge the merits of leaving the EU.Just three years since the deed was completed, then an almost immeadiate two year Global close down which we are just about out of now. Sure problems in trade are obvious and need fixing.
The most obvious tangible brexit benefit is full employment and employers now coming to the conclusion that the days of exploitation of labour are over.The unending flow of that Eastern European labour was good for employers, less so for indigenous labour.
Workers being paid a decent wage, now that’s a novel thought.

We already had full employment before Brexit though!

We don't have more British citizens in employment since Brexit. In fact take a look at the Spectator article I posted and you'll see that we actually have fewer Brits in employment now than in 2015, but many more who are managing to economically inactive without appearing in unemployment statistics.

The only thing that Brexit has achieved is to make British businesses less competitive by making it harder for them to get the staff they need to grow.

[a_dreamer]

Bandit said:

This is all getting very tiresome now. I refer you back to the Benefits of Brexit thread where this has all been discussed at great lenght.
No need to repeat it all here just to satisfy your lazyness.

Why continue to post in this thread if you are unwilling to share these clear benefits you know of? It reads as a little odd. Similar to when you ask a kid a complex question and they say "I know the answer I'm just not telling you?".

I mean you have a few people asking the question and surely you could shut them up by just typing them here. I doubt it would take you longer than all the replies you are making pointing people elsewhere.

You may rightly say "well I'm not a performing monkey" but then you keep replying anyway.

What are the key benefits you would miss if we rejoined the EU next Monday?

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

maz8062 said:

As far as I can see some tangible benefits of Brexit is full employment and increased salaries in certain industries. I didn’t vote for Brexit but have benefited in this way as has the price of my property increased due the spike in demand.

For some folk, a more controlled job market without the competition of cheap labour from Europe has been a godsend.

But all is not as it seems. Full employment has empowered workers, with strikes breaking out left right and centre. Staff shortages are contributing to flight cancellations and all manner of uncomfortable experiences for consumers. These will all get resolved in the end - higher wages and higher costs. Simple. For example, a round trip to Italy for the school summer holidays - mum plus 2 kids aged 5 & 9. Ryannnair £1100, thanks. That’s right £1100 for a 2.5 hour flight.

Oh, and £2.11 for a litre of super unleaded fuel. The UK is a relatively small economy compared to the trading blocks around the world. We don’t have any leverage, so when our GOVT asks for something, the companies don’t have to oblige because the demand in most cases is in elastic.

Inflation, staff shortages, strikes, discontent. When have we been in this position in our recent history?

For example, what happened to the relaxation of the competition laws for the fuel retailers when it was relaxed due to fake shortages? This would never have happened when we were in the EU, but it is obvious now that the consumer is not benefiting from it. Will it ever change back? Unlikely, because the GOVT doesn’t have any real power.

Now, some will say it’s worse in Europe - they’ll cherry pick the sectors and the metrics, but the difference is that we have to solve all of our problems by ourselves - they can pull together as a block and resolve issues to a much better extent than we can.
Brexit will be a disaster for this country for sure. Much worse than predicted IMO. Will we ever re-join? No way Jose, but I can see a closer working relationship with the EU once this bunch of alt right fascists move on and make way for more centrist leaning policies. Until then best to make hay while the sun is shining.

Alt-right fascists.

Europe pulling together as a block

What utter utter drivel.

Thanks for giving me a good laugh with your rant this morning though.

[Digga]

The EU moving forward is going to be very different to the one we were members of.

For one thing, there is the present FIGs crisis. The Italian 10yr bond rate has dropped back, but reached as high as 4+% in recent weeks. It is in danger of default at just 6+%. There is real and widely reported concern about the ECB's end to bond purchases.

https://www.ft.com/content/bb7634bf-f449-4850-a043...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-27...

The second, more novel issue is the war in Ukraine. It is fairly clear that certain EU members of NATO have not been paying their fair share. That is already changing, but may have to alter further and is no small commitment. Taking on more of the military heavy lifting is expensive.

[anonymous-user]

a_dreamer said:

Bandit said:

This is all getting very tiresome now. I refer you back to the Benefits of Brexit thread where this has all been discussed at great lenght.
No need to repeat it all here just to satisfy your lazyness.

Why continue to post in this thread if you are unwilling to share these clear benefits you know of? It reads as a little odd. Similar to when you ask a kid a complex question and they say "I know the answer I'm just not telling you?".

I mean you have a few people asking the question and surely you could shut them up by just typing them here. I doubt it would take you longer than all the replies you are making pointing people elsewhere.

You may rightly say "well I'm not a performing monkey" but then you keep replying anyway.

What are the key benefits you would miss if we rejoined the EU next Monday?

I am willing to share benefits - by helping fellow PHers understand there is a huge amount of information about the benefits of Brexit on a thread called “Brexit, what are the benefits?”, on page 2 of this forum.

I’m happy to keep repeating this until it finally sinks in.

[Kermit power]

Bandit said:

a_dreamer said:

Bandit said:

This is all getting very tiresome now. I refer you back to the Benefits of Brexit thread where this has all been discussed at great lenght.
No need to repeat it all here just to satisfy your lazyness.

Why continue to post in this thread if you are unwilling to share these clear benefits you know of? It reads as a little odd. Similar to when you ask a kid a complex question and they say "I know the answer I'm just not telling you?".

I mean you have a few people asking the question and surely you could shut them up by just typing them here. I doubt it would take you longer than all the replies you are making pointing people elsewhere.

You may rightly say "well I'm not a performing monkey" but then you keep replying anyway.

What are the key benefits you would miss if we rejoined the EU next Monday?

I am willing to share benefits - by helping fellow PHers understand there is a huge amount of information about the benefits of Brexit on a thread called “Brexit, what are the benefits?”, on page 2 of this forum.

I’m happy to keep repeating this until it finally sinks in.

I suppose constantly repeating the lie until enough people believe it worked for Farage, JRM and Co, so huzzah to you for attempting to emulate your heroes, dear boy!

[roger.mellie]

Bandit said:

I am willing to share benefits - by helping fellow PHers understand there is a huge amount of information about the benefits of Brexit on a thread called “Brexit, what are the benefits?”, on page 2 of this forum.

I’m happy to keep repeating this until it finally sinks in.

So, err, what are the benefits you've expounded? I've read most of that thread and to be honest in my view it's more about factionalism than about any pros or cons of brexit. Some do seem to want a reach around on it though.

[anonymous-user]

Kermit power said:

Bandit said:

a_dreamer said:

Bandit said:

This is all getting very tiresome now. I refer you back to the Benefits of Brexit thread where this has all been discussed at great lenght.
No need to repeat it all here just to satisfy your lazyness.

Why continue to post in this thread if you are unwilling to share these clear benefits you know of? It reads as a little odd. Similar to when you ask a kid a complex question and they say "I know the answer I'm just not telling you?".

I mean you have a few people asking the question and surely you could shut them up by just typing them here. I doubt it would take you longer than all the replies you are making pointing people elsewhere.

You may rightly say "well I'm not a performing monkey" but then you keep replying anyway.

What are the key benefits you would miss if we rejoined the EU next Monday?

I am willing to share benefits - by helping fellow PHers understand there is a huge amount of information about the benefits of Brexit on a thread called “Brexit, what are the benefits?”, on page 2 of this forum.

I’m happy to keep repeating this until it finally sinks in.

I suppose constantly repeating the lie until enough people believe it worked for Farage, JRM and Co, so huzzah to you for attempting to emulate your heroes, dear boy!

What lie are you referring to? You really are not making any sense here Kermit. You say you are dying for information about the benefits of Brexit yet can’t be bothered to read the thread where the matter is discussed?
Instead you seem to want to repeat exactly the same discussion here? Can you explain why, other than apparently wanting people to waste their time?

[crankedup5]

Kermit power said:

crankedup5 said:

Evanivitch said:

crankedup5 said:

Did you and ‘your kind’ give a moments thought to people left behind by being in the EU and how the FOM suppressed wages at the lower end. No of course not! And that is the crux of this historic shift in politics, a complete disregard for half of the working electorate. Blame lies with you and ‘your sort’.

You're not even connected to reality

How's that wage growth at the lower end doing now FoM has been removed? It's doing great, right?

You've added 1 and 1 and yet again you've run out of thumbs but "durr EU!" Is to blame

We have full employment and if you have a look around you will see the ‘real World’ wages for low paid are certainly increasing. The problem we have atm is labour shortage, hence employers offering higher rates in each sector in an attempt to attract labour.
Try to respond without the childish remarks maybe.

So wages go up, inflation spirals, very few people actually feel any better off than they did before, and ultimately people will lose their jobs in the medium term as it becomes cheaper to procure the goods or services they produce elsewhere in the global village.

Do you really think it's going to end well?

In today's world, if you're being undercut by someone else, the only answer is to gain more skills so that you become more valuable than them.

Let’s get the inflation thing straight, it’s a Global problem atm, it’s not confined to the U.K.
Educate yourself and make a better life argument, not every person is able to do that, they shouldn’t have been punished by the excess labour flow artificially capping their wages. Not only that the cheap labour forced the Government to introduce ‘in work benefits’ that top up a wage to a living standard.Why should tax payers subsidise businesses in that way?

[crankedup5]

Kermit power said:

crankedup5 said:

It’s been said a thousand times, it is far to early to judge the merits of leaving the EU.Just three years since the deed was completed, then an almost immeadiate two year Global close down which we are just about out of now. Sure problems in trade are obvious and need fixing.
The most obvious tangible brexit benefit is full employment and employers now coming to the conclusion that the days of exploitation of labour are over.The unending flow of that Eastern European labour was good for employers, less so for indigenous labour.
Workers being paid a decent wage, now that’s a novel thought.

We already had full employment before Brexit though!

We don't have more British citizens in employment since Brexit. In fact take a look at the Spectator article I posted and you'll see that we actually have fewer Brits in employment now than in 2015, but many more who are managing to economically inactive without appearing in unemployment statistics.

The only thing that Brexit has achieved is to make British businesses less competitive by making it harder for them to get the staff they need to grow.

You miss the important part, it’s full employment with businesses competing for employees. You do understand that and what it means for the employee.
You support the notion of business using cheap labour with that labour having to be financially supported by tax payers via in work benefits. I don’t, I want to see businesses succeed of course, but not at the cost of under paying labour. That’s one major reason which led to brexit, business will become more efficient and work smarter to become ever more competitive.

[crankedup5]

One of the political remainers in chief had a few words yesterday when he spoke of those people that had been given infected blood products in the 1980’. It killed thousands of people infected following the blood transfusions, for John Major it was ‘incredible bad luck’. That is the thought and consideration he has for everyday people in this Country. He and his ilk do not care one jot about the Society, that was demonstrated in his ‘stop brexit’ campaign and why I mention it here.

[DeejRC]

Well it wasn't very good luck was it????!

[Kermit power]

Bandit said:

What lie are you referring to? You really are not making any sense here Kermit. You say you are dying for information about the benefits of Brexit yet can’t be bothered to read the thread where the matter is discussed?
Instead you seem to want to repeat exactly the same discussion here? Can you explain why, other than apparently wanting people to waste their time?

You've conveniently ignored the link I provided to one of the multiple times I've posted on that very thread as proof that I've read it, haven't you?

I've read the thread. If there are truly any actual tangible benefits in there, they're so massively overwhelmed by all the argumentative but ultimately content-less stuff as to be completely impossible to find.

You're claiming there are real, tangible benefits already derived from Brexit, so time to put up or shut up.

[anonymous-user]

Hilarious!

1500 pages of Brexit benefits thread and you say you’ve not found a single one? Ok buddy !

Think we are all wasting our time on your duplicate thread. But you carry on moaning if it makes you feel better.

[Kermit power]

crankedup5 said:

Let’s get the inflation thing straight, it’s a Global problem atm, it’s not confined to the U.K.
Educate yourself and make a better life argument, not every person is able to do that, they shouldn’t have been punished by the excess labour flow artificially capping their wages. Not only that the cheap labour forced the Government to introduce ‘in work benefits’ that top up a wage to a living standard.Why should tax payers subsidise businesses in that way?

There is no excess labour flow though.

In 1950, there were 6 working adults per retiree in the UK. By 2000, that had dropped to 4, and by 2020 it was down to 3.


In 1950, people lived on average for around 5 years after they started claiming their pension. Today, it's more like 20.

Yes, automation and increased efficiencies have picked up some of the slack, but we still need taxes to pay for all those pensions and healthcare costs, and we also need people to provide all the services for that massive pensioner sector.

We have seen a massive spike in wages for low-paid people in the hospitality sector, but it's not sustainable, as it'll just push prices up to the point where people can't afford to eat out any more, so restaurants shut down and jobs are lost.

[Sway]

Kermit power said:

You're claiming there are real, tangible benefits already derived from Brexit, so time to put up or shut up.

I've posted some today which you've ignored.

So read up or shut up.

[Kermit power]

Bandit said:

Hilarious!

1500 pages of Brexit benefits thread and you say you’ve not found a single one? Ok buddy !

Think we are all wasting our time on your duplicate thread. But you carry on moaning if it makes you feel better.

That's the problem with it. 1,500+ pages of rhetoric and argument. If there were enough actual facts, they'd be easy to find, wouldn't they?

Obviously I don't think there are any significant benefits, so I might well dismiss something that you see as a benefit, but the fact that not even you can share any of these supposed benefits here proves their lack of existence far, far more conclusively than I ever could.

[crankedup5]

DeejRC said:

Well it wasn't very good luck was it????!

It was a a gross negligence on the part of Government and NHS, the word ‘luck’ being used in the context of a National tragedy of people’s lives lost has no part.