If Britain rejoined the EU tomorrow…

[Electro1980]

Bandit said:

Electro1980 said:

Vasco said:

Electro1980 said:

Vasco said:

What would we miss?!! - the freedom to do what we want without having to make sure that it's ok with 27 other countries.
......but I'm sure you know that anyway.

Probably better if you stop dreaming of the impossible.

And what “rules” have we made since leaving that we could not before?

You remoaners really don't give up do you!!

What a sad life.

No answer, just some insults? So you have nothing. Face it, you were conned.

There’s 3 x 500 pages of Brexit benefit discussion Electro! Do you want to educate yourself or not? Because from where I am sitting, you just can’t be arsed and would rather moan at the moon instead.

Oh, “educate yourself”. Good one. Always been a brilliant debating tactic that. Someone makes a claim then they need to back it up.

Presumably it’s easy to produce one concrete benefit then and to get an answer, yet no one has. And the discussions you refer too, I’ve never seen any benefits listed there either. Just lots of people trying to deny anything negative that happens.

If it’s so easy perhaps you can answer the question? Although I assume you will do the same as you always do and hurl insults and snipe from the sidelines whilst adding nothing of value.

Edited by Electro1980 on Sunday 19th June 22:04

[Murph7355]

Electro1980 said:

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Presumably it’s easy to produce one concrete benefit then and to get an answer, yet no one has. ...

You've been given a number on this new thread. And there are plenty on the other.

You just don't see them. Or don't want to.

That's OK. Just don't pretend none have been given.

[skwdenyer]

Murph7355 said:

Electro1980 said:

...
Presumably it’s easy to produce one concrete benefit then and to get an answer, yet no one has. ...

You've been given a number on this new thread. And there are plenty on the other.

You just don't see them. Or don't want to.

That's OK. Just don't pretend none have been given.

In fairness, they’re not benefits with tangible form or measurable impact. They’re differences that you find more attractive.

We have no fewer rules to live under. Those that there are will still be made by civil servants. There will still be no accountability.

What we really needed was a revolution in Government; instead we got the same old British politics, only how without any actual constitutional protections or backstops. In your opinion this is great; many others are less convinced.

[NWTony]

P. ONeill said:

If Britain rejoined the EU tomorrow, which Brexit benefits would you miss the most?

The £350m per week has probably been swallowed up during Covid, but apart from that how has life changed for the average man in the street in Britain over the last couple of years?

I thought you needed more than a thousand posts to post in here?

[Electro1980]

Murph7355 said:

You've been given a number on this new thread. And there are plenty on the other.

You just don't see them. Or don't want to.

That's OK. Just don't pretend none have been given.

No I haven’t. No one has given a concrete benefit or a rule we could have made. Just waffle about freedom and sovereignty. A single, tangible, benefit or a rule we could change.

I’ll give you the only one I am aware of. Removal of VAT on sanitary products. Not that hard, but no one has given that, because it’s not about facts is it, it’s about “feels”. The fact is that you can’t show any actual benefits.

[Voldemort]

Why are leavers (who never tire of saying 'we won, get over it') still scared of remainers?

They abuse them casually at every opportunity and absolutely will not be drawn into backing up enquiries with facts. It's a case of 'do your research, or 'we answered that already.

It's like they know they've taken a wrong turn but are too embarrassed to ask for directions.

I have yet to meet a proud lucid honest leave voter who will engage in an adult manner. They just delight in the misery of others like that's a trait we should all enjoy.

[fridaypassion]

The arguments for and against have been more than done to death. However its amazing that Labour and the Libdems haven't come out as having rejoining the EU as a central policy. It would be very popular and a real differentiator come election time. Maybe they will do this. The whole process and outcome has been a complete waste of time.

[Ivan stewart]

Voldemort said:

Why are leavers (who never tire of saying 'we won, get over it') still scared of remainers?

They abuse them casually at every opportunity and absolutely will not be drawn into backing up enquiries with facts. It's a case of 'do your research, or 'we answered that already.

It's like they know they've taken a wrong turn but are too embarrassed to ask for directions.

I have yet to meet a proud lucid honest leave voter who will engage in an adult manner. They just delight in the misery of others like that's a trait we should all enjoy.

Looks like you are like all the other remoaners , just skim reading answers and seeing what you want to see!!

[Electro1980]

Ivan stewart said:

Looks like you are like all the other remoaners , just skim reading answers and seeing what you want to see!!

And you have done exactly what was said. Abuse and diversion. No one has given an actual, concrete advantage.

[Ivan stewart]

skwdenyer said:

In fairness, they’re not benefits with tangible form or measurable impact. They’re differences that you find more attractive.

We have no fewer rules to live under. Those that there are will still be made by civil servants. There will still be no accountability.

What we really needed was a revolution in Government; instead we got the same old British politics, only how without any actual constitutional protections or backstops. In your opinion this is great; many others are less convinced.

Do you think there is more or less chance of revolution in government now we have left the EU??
We haven’t had a general election since we left and there are fewer reasons to vote for a certain party now they gave us Brino for instance!!

[Ivan stewart]

Electro1980 said:

And you have done exactly what was said. Abuse and diversion. No one has given an actual, concrete advantage.

Accountability and the buck stops with our politicians,
The ability to make our own laws and set taxes,
Not having to pay and suffer from another layer of governance etc……………/……….!!!??@@@

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Ah, the usual frothy remainer crew have a new thread to bh on. Pointless engaging them really as all they want is to whinge and complain about Brexit. Wonder what in particular triggered them this time?

[anonymous-user]

Electro1980 said:

Ivan stewart said:

Looks like you are like all the other remoaners , just skim reading answers and seeing what you want to see!!

And you have done exactly what was said. Abuse and diversion. No one has given an actual, concrete advantage.

You remoaners are utterly ridiculous! There are 3 x 500 pages of Brexit benefit discussion BUT YOU CANT BE BOTHERED to read it!

[rigga]

NWTony said:

P. ONeill said:

If Britain rejoined the EU tomorrow, which Brexit benefits would you miss the most?

The £350m per week has probably been swallowed up during Covid, but apart from that how has life changed for the average man in the street in Britain over the last couple of years?

I thought you needed more than a thousand posts to post in here?

Unless the thread was started in another sub forum , and then moved here .

If it wasn't , it's a good question .

[Electro1980]

Ivan stewart said:

Accountability and the buck stops with our politicians,
The ability to make our own laws and set taxes,
Not having to pay and suffer from another layer of governance etc……………/……….!!!??@@@

Ok… I’ll ask the question again. What rules (or laws) have we made that we couldn’t or what concrete benefit have we had? None of those are concrete examples of where things are better out than in. Face it, you can’t actually articulate any benefits. It’s still just the feels of a few snowflakes.

[heebeegeetee]

SlimJim16v said:

Probably the best that could be salvaged from the st May left.

Whoa, be fair, a man created this mess and then he ran for the hills.

It was his next move after creating a migrant crisis by changing the regime in Libya and leaving that place in a worse mess too (with his French mate on that of course)

We're a generation behind on the renewables front as well, due to his cutting of the 'green crap'.

Bit unfair imo to blame those wallowing in a created mess for all this.

May was honest, and a stickler for detail and probably niceties such as law.

It's no coincidence imo that the politician who benefitted most is the populist, abject liar. And Aaron Banks, and Putin would have been thrilled and particularly pleased with his investments in all of this.

[loafer123]

Electro1980 said:

Ok… I’ll ask the question again. What rules (or laws) have we made that we couldn’t or what concrete benefit have we had? None of those are concrete examples of where things are better out than in. Face it, you can’t actually articulate any benefits. It’s still just the feels of a few snowflakes.

[Ivan stewart]

Electro1980 said:

Ivan stewart said:

Accountability and the buck stops with our politicians,
The ability to make our own laws and set taxes,
Not having to pay and suffer from another layer of governance etc……………/……….!!!??@@@

Ok… I’ll ask the question again. What rules (or laws) have we made that we couldn’t or what concrete benefit have we had? None of those are concrete examples of where things are better out than in. Face it, you can’t actually articulate any benefits. It’s still just the feels of a few snowflakes.

[FiF]

Electro1980 said:

Ok… I’ll ask the question again. What rules (or laws) have we made that we couldn’t or what concrete benefit have we had? None of those are concrete examples of where things are better out than in. Face it, you can’t actually articulate any benefits. It’s still just the feels of a few snowflakes.

OK the derogation of the EU 3 crop rule for anyone farming an area over 35Ha. It was an absolute pita, especially in seasons with especially difficult growing conditions, and the paperwork and bureaucracy involved if you wanted to, say, drill or perform other necessary activities outside the mandated calendar periods, because of, you know, simple things like variable weather, different climates, different soil and geography. One size does not fit all. Never has, never will.

There, you can no longer say nobody has ever identified a single benefit, as would be a lie. It wasn't true when you asked it on this thread as it's been covered elsewhere previously, as have other identified benefits. Being generous it could be that you'd never seen them, being cynical it could be because you've deliberately ignored them because didn't fit your narrative.

No doubt like others it will be ignored for a bit and then the same ignorant question trotted out in the hope folks will think it's an original point.

[paulrockliffe]

FiF said:

Electro1980 said:

Ok… I’ll ask the question again. What rules (or laws) have we made that we couldn’t or what concrete benefit have we had? None of those are concrete examples of where things are better out than in. Face it, you can’t actually articulate any benefits. It’s still just the feels of a few snowflakes.

OK the derogation of the EU 3 crop rule for anyone farming an area over 35Ha. It was an absolute pita, especially in seasons with especially difficult growing conditions, and the paperwork and bureaucracy involved if you wanted to, say, drill or perform other necessary activities outside the mandated calendar periods, because of, you know, simple things like variable weather, different climates, different soil and geography. One size does not fit all. Never has, never will.

There, you can no longer say nobody has ever identified a single benefit, as would be a lie. It wasn't true when you asked it on this thread as it's been covered elsewhere previously, as have other identified benefits. Being generous it could be that you'd never seen them, being cynical it could be because you've deliberately ignored them because didn't fit your narrative.

No doubt like others it will be ignored for a bit and then the same ignorant question trotted out in the hope folks will think it's an original point.

Christ, why do you do this? You've set yourself up for pages of idiots who've skim read it explaining to you why it's actually better that we follow that EU rule. Whatever it is.