How About Another EU Referendum?
Poll: How About Another EU Referendum?
Total Members Polled: 462
Discussion
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
roger.mellie said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
You can ignore the first three years ater the referendum until the MPs that were not representative of their constituents' view were removed. First thing Boris should have done was repeal the Benn act.
To what end? What would it have achieved differently?The NIP issues aren’t the NIP. It’s the politics. Everyone on every side knows the landing zone but there’s so much face saving and ball rubbing needed between here and there that it might not happen.
Biggy Stardust said:
Derek Smith said:
Brexit is done and that's it. There's no apparent way the EU would let us back in, not without penalties so heavy that it would cost us more. We should forget about that. But agreed change, cooperation and working with the EU is quite possible and would give advantages.
holes on the subject, not us.A deal (that never was as far as we were concerned imo), proposed, negotiated, agreed, signed, hands shook and looked in the eye.
Then we want to tear it up, and we don't care about protocol, GFA or even the law.
If the French behaved like we are people would be going apoplectic, but as it is we're still blaming Johnny Foreigner. Incredible.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Such as?
Germany are doing Amber Heard style pledges.
.and delivering sweet fa.
Macron is a two-faced slimeball buddying up to Putin and then has the nerve to go to Kiev.
Ursula defends buying Russian gas by claiming it would otherwise be sold for a higher amount elsewhere...total rubbish.
And then we saw the EU lie and cheat over the AZ covid vaccine, they're lucky they didn't get sued for defamation.
Everyone shouts about Boris but the EU politicians are in the next league.
The Europeans on the ground are giving massive help, and as we know, they're taking in refugees at a rate in another league to us.Germany are doing Amber Heard style pledges.
.and delivering sweet fa.
Macron is a two-faced slimeball buddying up to Putin and then has the nerve to go to Kiev.
Ursula defends buying Russian gas by claiming it would otherwise be sold for a higher amount elsewhere...total rubbish.
And then we saw the EU lie and cheat over the AZ covid vaccine, they're lucky they didn't get sued for defamation.
Everyone shouts about Boris but the EU politicians are in the next league.
Boris is exploiting this for all he's worth. I'm grateful for this tbh, but it's dead easy to look popular with other people's money.
Hoofy said:
Al Gorithum said:
Full disclosure: I voted to leave the EU.
However it's pretty clear to me that I was sold a pup by the lying Boris and Reece Mogg etc, but even if it can be done successfully we don't have any talent in Govt to pull it off, therefore if there was another referendum I'd vote to remain.
I wonder how many other other Leavers have changed their mind?
What say you?
Ditto.However it's pretty clear to me that I was sold a pup by the lying Boris and Reece Mogg etc, but even if it can be done successfully we don't have any talent in Govt to pull it off, therefore if there was another referendum I'd vote to remain.
I wonder how many other other Leavers have changed their mind?
What say you?
Mrr T said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
You can ignore the first three years ater the referendum until the MPs that were not representative of their constituents' view were removed. First thing Boris should have done was repeal the Benn act.
How would a minority government have done that? roger.mellie said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
roger.mellie said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
You can ignore the first three years ater the referendum until the MPs that were not representative of their constituents' view were removed. First thing Boris should have done was repeal the Benn act.
To what end? What would it have achieved differently?The NIP issues aren’t the NIP. It’s the politics. Everyone on every side knows the landing zone but there’s so much face saving and ball rubbing needed between here and there that it might not happen.
If the Remainers wanted a softer Brexit, and more chance of rejoining, they should have accepted the result of the vote on 24 June and supported May in her deal.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
The reason why the WTO threat had been diminished is because May spent three years saying one thing in public and another to the EU in private. She wanted BRINO and the stubborn anti brexit MPs wouldn't give her that...through a combination of the Soubrys impression of a mad old bat and Corbyn spending the entire period sat with his arms crossed with a policy of disagreeing with the government regardless of what was proposed. This, combined with Miller's back-firing intervention of ensuring parliament had a vote and the Benn act, caused parliamentary gridlock...leading it going back to the people, Boris and a more distant relationship with the EU.
If the Remainers wanted a softer Brexit, and more chance of rejoining, they should have accepted the result of the vote on 24 June and supported May in her deal.
No, it was diminished because it was never real. The one and only time it might have held some strength was Boris' little dander with Varadkar. Boris wanted a deal, he didn't want to be Mr No Deal, and when the cards were on the table he had to find one that wasn't May's deal. Believe whatever other sIf the Remainers wanted a softer Brexit, and more chance of rejoining, they should have accepted the result of the vote on 24 June and supported May in her deal.
te you want. BRINO is a brexiter term, there was no definition of brexit on the ballot and no amount of revisionism or assuming other's opinions will ever change that. What there is a theoretical mandate for is Boris' deal due to the 2019 GE.I don't disagree at all that there are likely many remainers wishing they'd backed May now, a few leavers too (DUP for starters), although part of me thinks a milder brexit would not be cathartic enough in proving how stupid an idea it was
. If leavers want to support Boris' brexit they should support the NIP and all that came along with it. If they want to claim he could have done better then they're just armchair generals thinking they could do better when there's a massive amount of evidence to the contrary.I'm happy for another referendum as long as we continue to have them with the same frequency, so that we can always be sure we made the right choice last time.
You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
98elise said:
I'm happy for another referendum as long as we continue to have them with the same frequency, so that we can always be sure we made the right choice last time.
You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
What about the 2016 referendum ?? Surely that addressed things ..You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
98elise said:
I'm happy for another referendum as long as we continue to have them with the same frequency, so that we can always be sure we made the right choice last time.
You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
There should never be another if it's to be ran like the last one.You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
Referendums should be based on a commitment of government to enact based on a fair education/information of the implications either way to the voters. The Irish do it quite well when it comes to constitutional referendums, the UK is s
t at it. Brexit suffers because of that, it was never an agreed decision what it meant and it never will be. A rejoin vote would be a pathetic response in its impotence too. Asking is ok, but make it an informed question with achievable results.
roger.mellie said:
There should never be another if it's to be ran like the last one.
Referendums should be based on a commitment of government to enact based on a fair education/information of the implications either way to the voters. The Irish do it quite well when it comes to constitutional referendums, the UK is st at it. Brexit suffers because of that, it was never an agreed decision what it meant and it never will be. A rejoin vote would be a pathetic response in its impotence too.
Asking is ok, but make it an informed question with achievable results.
Yes the Irish do it the EU way .. if the result is wrong do it again .. Referendums should be based on a commitment of government to enact based on a fair education/information of the implications either way to the voters. The Irish do it quite well when it comes to constitutional referendums, the UK is s
t at it. Brexit suffers because of that, it was never an agreed decision what it meant and it never will be. A rejoin vote would be a pathetic response in its impotence too. Asking is ok, but make it an informed question with achievable results.
98elise said:
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I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
A serious question to you.I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
Given that we were never given the option of "such a fundamental change to the country" of joining the EU.
Why would the only referendum we were ever allowed on EU membership not sit well with you on slim margins?
Bear in mind - Remainers set the rules for the referendum and allowed themselved a £9 Million head start to produce a Govt leaflet to every household in the country.
Ivan stewart said:
Yes the Irish do it the EU way .. if the result is wrong do it again ..
Bullst, but if that's the level of your EU criticism it explains a lot amigo.I lived and worked in Ireland during those two referendums as I'm sure many on here have, when lying consider your audience. I'll await you telling me I'm wrong. But I have a different opinion on the vote twice myth that brexiters love so much and I might know what I'm talking about. As is often the case reality doesn't match rhetoric.
Go on. I'm listening.
Jenny Tailor said:
1. A serious question to you.
Given that we were never given the option of "such a fundamental change to the country" of joining the EU.
2. Why would the only referendum we were ever allowed on EU membership not sit well with you on slim margins?
3. Bear in mind - Remainers set the rules for the referendum and allowed themselved a £9 Million head start to produce a Govt leaflet to every household in the country.
1. If I may - as a 64 Yr old, I'm unaware of any fundamental negative change as a result of joining EU, any changes I was aware of seemed significantly positive, life just seemed to get better and better. Given that we were never given the option of "such a fundamental change to the country" of joining the EU.
2. Why would the only referendum we were ever allowed on EU membership not sit well with you on slim margins?
3. Bear in mind - Remainers set the rules for the referendum and allowed themselved a £9 Million head start to produce a Govt leaflet to every household in the country.
2. I agree with that, far too big a change, and pretty much all negative afaiaa, significantly negative to me, and all on a very slim margin.
3. I hugely agree with that too, another disastrous failure of Cameron and the Remain campaign. Remind me of the funding split, was it £10 mill to Remain v £1mill to Leave, courtesy of that stupid and wholly erroneous leaflet?
Funding like that will always cause problems and it did, and surely anyone could foresee that the pockets of Britain's enemies would be very deep?
Ivan stewart said:
98elise said:
I'm happy for another referendum as long as we continue to have them with the same frequency, so that we can always be sure we made the right choice last time.
You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
What about the 2016 referendum ?? Surely that addressed things ..You can't just repreat them until you get the "right" answer, otherwise there is no point asking in the first place.
About once in a generation seems about right. Our children and grandchildren may feel very differently to us, and it's up to them to decide on their future.
I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
98elise said:
It was tongue in cheek apart from the bit about once in a generation. We had a referendum and we got a result, that's should be it for the foreseeable future. The next generation may want to change, but that's up to them.
We will never be offered what we previously had. That is why we will always be out. roger.mellie said:
Ivan stewart said:
Yes the Irish do it the EU way .. if the result is wrong do it again ..
Bullst, but if that's the level of your EU criticism it explains a lot amigo.I lived and worked in Ireland during those two referendums as I'm sure many on here have, when lying consider your audience. I'll await you telling me I'm wrong. But I have a different opinion on the vote twice myth that brexiters love so much and I might know what I'm talking about. As is often the case reality doesn't match rhetoric.
Go on. I'm listening.
Jenny Tailor said:
98elise said:
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I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
A serious question to you.I've always felt the voter split was too close though. Making such a fundamental change to the country on what was a very slim margin doesn't sit well with me.
Given that we were never given the option of "such a fundamental change to the country" of joining the EU.
Why would the only referendum we were ever allowed on EU membership not sit well with you on slim margins?
Bear in mind - Remainers set the rules for the referendum and allowed themselved a £9 Million head start to produce a Govt leaflet to every household in the country.
The slim margin doesn't sit well with me because it's such a big change, and clearly it wasn't the majority of the population what actually wanted it (in absolute numbers). It also feels like it could have gone either way on any given day.
To be clear I was a leaver, so it's not sour grapes. I just appreciate that near 50% of people that voted didn't want to leave, and it's their country too.
98elise said:
The slim margin doesn't sit well with me because it's such a big change, and clearly it wasn't the majority of the population what actually wanted it (in absolute numbers). It also feels like it could have gone either way on any given day.
To be clear I was a leaver, so it's not sour grapes. I just appreciate that near 50% of people that voted didn't want to leave, and it's their country too.
Well, the rest could've voted if they wanted to. It's the single most democratic result in recent history. To be clear I was a leaver, so it's not sour grapes. I just appreciate that near 50% of people that voted didn't want to leave, and it's their country too.
However I did speak to quite a few people before, almost all leavers, and it was obvious barely any had given it more than a couple of seconds of thought. They just felt like dropping a grenade a la Trump.
bloomen said:
Well, the rest could've voted if they wanted to. It's the single most democratic result in recent history.
However I did speak to quite a few people before, almost all leavers, and it was obvious barely any had given it more than a couple of seconds of thought. They just felt like dropping a grenade a la Trump.
I think you may be suffering from selection bias.However I did speak to quite a few people before, almost all leavers, and it was obvious barely any had given it more than a couple of seconds of thought. They just felt like dropping a grenade a la Trump.
You have a view and therefore you dismiss those who disagree with you as thoughtless.
I had a long and very detailed conversation about the Leave option with one of the most powerful investment managers in the country…you might be surprised what peoples views are underneath.
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