US Supreme court have overturned Roe V Wade

[paulguitar]

Harrison Bergeron said:

MiniMan64 said:

Which means if you’re unlucky enough to live in a state where the crazy white bible thumpers are in charge you’re fked. And that’s about 50% of the country.

The other point here is, what are the conservative right going to go after next? Gay marriage? Gay rights?

Surely they can just move.

Oh well, no worries then.

[ch37]

Harrison Bergeron said:

Surely they can just move.

Leave your jobs, schools, friends, home etc? A nice idea, but will be pretty much impossible for many.

[croyde]

Gweeds said:

“ “This is the day the Lord has made; let us rejoice in it and be glad. Today, along with millions across Louisiana and America, I rejoice with my departed Mom and the unborn children with her in Heaven!”, Louisiana attorney general Jeff Landry said in a statement where he announced a law banning abortion in the state was now in effect.”

Insanity.

That sounds as insane as those mullahs in Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc

[Kermit power]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Kermit power said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

AW111 said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

JakeT said:

Very sad to hear. Land of the free and home of the brave. Unless you’re a woman.

“My body my choice” disappeared last year. I wonder how many of those dismayed at this result cheered on the sacking of those who didn’t desire the injections that were and continue to be pushed?

FFS!

Yeah, because being vaccinated is exactly the same as being forced to incubate and give birth to a child conceived by rape.

Who said it’s exactly the same?

“My body my choice” no longer exists. Last year was the start of a slippy road.

You still had a choice with the vaccines though. Maybe that choice was between being vaccinated and keeping your job, so not the best choice, but a choice all the same.

I very much doubt that the choice to abort a foetus is a particularly easy one for many women either but at least they do have that choice in civilised countries.

[jab/religious fanatic]They have a choice to not get jabbed/pregnant. Those who are vaccine injured/raped are a minority, more lives are saved through mandating vaccines/banning abortion[/jab/religious fanatic]

Maybe it’s more similar than I thought?

I think the new ruling is disgusting, I just find the hypocrisy amusing. No one should be told what they can / cannot do with their body. With the injections it was under threat of becoming ousted from society.

Nice to see Trudeau getting a social media kicking.

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/154036202...

It's fundamentally different.

Can you choose whether to have the vaccine, yes or no?

Can women in some states choose whether to have an abortion, yes or no?

[ArnageWRC]

Absolute loons and ghouls......do they know it's 2022??

[Seventy]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

[jab/religious fanatic]They have a choice to not get jabbed/pregnant. Those who are vaccine injured/raped are a minority, more lives are saved through mandating vaccines/banning abortion[/jab/religious fanatic]

Big <snip> but Jesus fking Christ BabyShark (I won’t continue with the rest of your ridiculous username) conflating the covid vaccination with what has just been essentially repealed in the US with regards to a woman’s rights?

Seriously, have a think.

A really big think.

[Seventy]

Harrison Bergeron said:

MiniMan64 said:

Which means if you’re unlucky enough to live in a state where the crazy white bible thumpers are in charge you’re fked. And that’s about 50% of the country.

The other point here is, what are the conservative right going to go after next? Gay marriage? Gay rights?

Surely they can just move.

Castrol for a knave said:

Imagine the state telling a man what he can do with his body, there'd be a carnage.

Didn't they already do that with the vaccine mandates for government employees and the attempt to get private companies to follow suit.....
Wasn't that funny.

Edited by Harrison Bergeron on Friday 24th June 21:27

It comes as no surprise to me that the covid ultras are defending this.

[Biggy Stardust]

Seventy said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

[jab/religious fanatic]They have a choice to not get jabbed/pregnant. Those who are vaccine injured/raped are a minority, more lives are saved through mandating vaccines/banning abortion[/jab/religious fanatic]

Big <snip> but Jesus fking Christ BabyShark (I won’t continue with the rest of your ridiculous username) conflating the covid vaccination with what has just been essentially repealed in the US with regards to a woman’s rights?

Seriously, have a think.

A really big think.

Hint- he's putting the nutter side of the debate in perspective.

[Kermit power]

Biggy Stardust said:

Seventy said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

[jab/religious fanatic]They have a choice to not get jabbed/pregnant. Those who are vaccine injured/raped are a minority, more lives are saved through mandating vaccines/banning abortion[/jab/religious fanatic]

Big <snip> but Jesus fking Christ BabyShark (I won’t continue with the rest of your ridiculous username) conflating the covid vaccination with what has just been essentially repealed in the US with regards to a woman’s rights?

Seriously, have a think.

A really big think.

Hint- he's putting the nutter side of the debate in perspective.

Except he's not, because he's comparing a situation in which people have a choice over what happens to their body with one where they no longer do.

[Beati Dogu]

ArnageWRC said:

Absolute loons and ghouls......do they know it's 2022??

I know! Imagine thinking people will take personal responsibility and use birth control before having sex in this day an age. It’s insane.

[Steve Campbell]

I’ve known 100’s of US citizens through work and pretty much all of them have been ok as individuals (pretty normal curve of strangeness but basically ok)…..but as a nation ….. what a bunch of absolute loons !

[Funk]

Kermit power said:

Biggy Stardust said:

Seventy said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

[jab/religious fanatic]They have a choice to not get jabbed/pregnant. Those who are vaccine injured/raped are a minority, more lives are saved through mandating vaccines/banning abortion[/jab/religious fanatic]

Big <snip> but Jesus fking Christ BabyShark (I won’t continue with the rest of your ridiculous username) conflating the covid vaccination with what has just been essentially repealed in the US with regards to a woman’s rights?

Seriously, have a think.

A really big think.

Hint- he's putting the nutter side of the debate in perspective.

Except he's not, because he's comparing a situation in which people have a choice over what happens to their body with one where they no longer do.

And a woman having or not having an abortion doesn't put the wider public's health at risk.

[paulguitar]

Beati Dogu said:

ArnageWRC said:

Absolute loons and ghouls......do they know it's 2022??

I know! Imagine thinking people will take personal responsibility and use birth control before having sex in this day an age. It’s insane.

Should they also take birth control before being raped, or is not doing so lacking 'personal responsibility'?

[vonuber]

Beati Dogu said:

I know! Imagine thinking people will take personal responsibility and use birth control before having sex in this day an age. It’s insane.

Imagine being this ignorant in this day and age! It's insane.

[Evanivitch]

Beati Dogu said:

ArnageWRC said:

Absolute loons and ghouls......do they know it's 2022??

I know! Imagine thinking people will take personal responsibility and use birth control before having sex in this day an age. It’s insane.

Yeah wouldn't it be great if people could easily access contraception, right? Right?!?!

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/...

[off_again]

ch37 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Surely they can just move.

Leave your jobs, schools, friends, home etc? A nice idea, but will be pretty much impossible for many.

As a Brit living in the US, I have some context, but I am far from an expert here - there are some here on PH who are much more aware of the nuances, but I will give it a go.

In general, the US does have a much more mobile workforce and its actually common for many people to move for job, career, education or just for the sake of it. So yeah, the option to essentially shift to a state that is more inline with your views, such as this, is valid. However, this is where it gets very complicated.

For the educated or experienced, this isnt too much of a problem. For those on minimum wage, and statistically these are the people who have limited access to healthcare & womans reproductive care, this isnt an option. And when you apply that type of demographic across the US with the more restrictive states, suddenly some shocking statistics come into play.

I am not going to play the race card here, though it is relevant - my point is that this is a poor person issue, which disproportionately affects the black community. It is these poor people who cant move, are more likely to become pregnant and are the least prepared or able to care for the child that are the most affected here. Think more single parents, higher proportion of school drop-outs and entire generations of people unable to get that leg-up that they need. And for those who are religious? Yeah, it keeps the money flowing to the churches preaching doom, gloom and the end of days.

On the other hand, those who do have healthcare or work for a company who will help, access is still available. Either move / relocate or obtain out of state care and they are good. While it is not common for many Americans to travel to a different state for healthcare, this has been steadily rising for years now as various states limit options. This is just another step - and remember that employers and insurance providers will want to provide service while staying in the law. I wonder how long it will take before an insurance company gets sued by someone who cant get life saving care due to a pregnancy? You can be sure that they will do everything to avoid that!

So yeah, its an option - but for a limited number of people. Social / employee mobility is a thing here, but its these people that arent really worried. Its all of the millions who dont have healthcare and cant afford to move or obtain out of state care. It keeps the poor poor and in their position. I know I might appear to be stretching things here, but the US can be a brutal place.

[mike9009]

The land of the free cannon fodder.....

Truly sad.

[Challo]

Randy Winkman said:

Gee whizz! Trolling for attention? I know Biden hasn't made this happen. I said that it illustrates "something utterly weird about the US." Is that not true?

Could nothing be done from a federal level in passing laws to protect abortion rights?

[F1GTRUeno]

essayer said:

next will be

same-sex marriage
same-sex relationships
contraception

Wondering if it has to go full batst Christian (well, more so) and then it just implodes and we get a sane country out of it.

I hope they televisse/stream the Purge to the rest of the world.

[Frik]

PTF said:

There are plans in some states to even go after women having abortions, even if they're not resident in that state

It was mentioned on CNN earlier that passing through a state, getting pregnant while there, and then seeking an abortion later could land a woman in trouble. How they'd prove it on the other hand...

Subpoena your cycle tracking app data, obvs. Which is mildly terrifying.