US Supreme court have overturned Roe V Wade

[poo at Paul's]

Back on topic, I see GI Joe Biden is unhappy about it all!

It’s like he’s suddenly forgotten his Irish roots, the ones he like to band about when it suits him.

[Tankrizzo]

irc said:

Stop bringing your facts here.

More state level democracy doesn't give the lefties anything to froth about.

Lefties? So anyone who thinks this is a bad idea is a lefty? Go and tell your wife, girlfriend, daughter that this is no biggie and just a democratic decision then call her a lefty frother if she disagrees.

Honestly this place gets more and more stupid by the day, and it is no surprise that the stupidoes saying this stuff are also the most frequent posters in the anti vax threads.

[grumbledoak]

Tankrizzo said:

Remind me again how people can elect members of the Supreme Court?

How is that relevant to a decision of the Supreme Court to reverse a previous Supreme Court decision?

Or did you approve of the manner of selection of the Supreme Court in the past but not approve of it this time?

[anonymous-user]

Why are Yanks obsessed with preserving rules and laws from 250 years ago? What’s next, burning witches?

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

Seventy said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Seventy said:

Never ‘frothed’ in my life.

Hypocrisy? Give me a fking break.
Where is my ‘hypocrisy’ in the Roe vs Wade discussion?

It’s not there. And you know it. My position is clear.
Yours isn’t. You try to twist it to suit your narrative.

Your ‘type’ are abominable. You position yourself to suit yourself. It’s pathetic.

It’s pathetic here.
It’s pathetic on the covid threads.

Quoted for posterity as it’s so childish.

Just had a read through the thread and you haven’t shown any support one way or another in the Roe vs Wade discussion. So you may not be hypocritical at all, I just assumed you’d be pro-abortion as most civilised people are pro choice.

Please accept my apologies for the incorrect assumption

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

ChocolateFrog said:

I wonder which high profile republican will be the first to have a pregnant daughter that still gets the abortion she wants.

Especially if the chap who got her pregnant ends up accused of rape and hung out to dry, just to save face on the political scene

[Eric Mc]

In the UK we tend to observe American politics through the various lenses of race, religion, colour etc - and, these days, the abortion debate.

What we tend to ignore is the even deeper feeling amongst many Americans, especially in the Southern states, of a massive hatred for direct control from the Federal Government.

This decision is as much about allowing the individual states to make their own rules about this matter as it is about abortion itself.

I don't agree with the decision, but on this side of the Atlantic we don't always truly understand how much the battle between autonomous state control and Federal Government control looms large in their psyche.

[Rufus Stone]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Just had a read through the thread and you haven’t shown any support one way or another in the Roe vs Wade discussion. So you may not be hypocritical at all, I just assumed you’d be pro-abortion as most civilised people are pro choice.

Please accept my apologies for the incorrect assumption

There is a valid argument that it's pretty uncivilised to not protect the life of an unborn child.

Pregnancy termination is a highly emotive subject and one which opposing viewpoints will never agree on. Medically life begins at conception, the question on when that life deserves statutory protection from harm is a political one.

[I am alright Jack]

irc said:

grumbledoak said:

All the outrage and frothing this side of the Atlantic seems both forced and ignorant. Abortion has not been banned. It has reverted to a state decision, where *democratically elected* governments can make the laws their people want.

Democracy is not supposed to be a rubber stamp for you forcing your personal views on everyone else. They get the same number of votes as you do.

Stop bringing your facts here.

More state level democracy doesn't give the lefties anything to froth about.

Yes, but what about the worms, the WORMS!

[irc]

Interestingly Obama, as a candidate, promsed to enact a bill removing restrictions on abortion. After election it was no longer high on his list of priorities.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczyns...

Another democratic icon helped Trump switch the balance of the Supreme Court by insisting o dying in office rather than retiring and allowing Obama to nominate her replacement.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-the-right-...

I don't thing a complete abortion ban is correct but I do think it needs to be decided by elected politicians not unelected judges.

[plenty]

irc said:

More state level democracy doesn't give the lefties anything to froth about.

I thought it was abject horror at the subjugation in one stroke of a hard-won human right that took generations to achieve.

But no, it's frothing lefties and a victory for democracy. Thanks for the insight.

[moffspeed]

poo at Paul's said:

Back on topic, I see GI Joe Biden is unhappy about it all!

It’s like he’s suddenly forgotten his Irish roots, the ones he like to band about when it suits him.

Yes, but also don’t forget Trump has been the architect of all this mess.

In the 1990’s he was on record as being Pro-Choice. By 2016, and needing to get the evangelicals on board for his election run, he had become loudly Pro-Life. It’s worth YT’ing his interview with Chris Matthews’ that year - when Trump actually floated the idea that women should face (undefined) punishment for procuring an abortion….

The interview is similar to the one in which he was asked to quote one of his favourite passages from the Bible. Frantic sideways glances, back pedalling and then a large serving of word-salad.

Edited by moffspeed on Saturday 25th June 09:10

[Gweeds]

These threads are always useful for bringing out PH’s very own little MAGA mob.

Same names. Every time.

[grumbledoak]

irc said:

Interestingly Obama, as a candidate, promsed to enact a bill removing restrictions on abortion. After election it was no longer high on his list of priorities.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczyns...

As far as I understand it the Democrats have had 50 years to do this. They preferred it to be hanging precariously over their voters on voting day. Politics!

[ZedLeg]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I wonder which high profile republican will be the first to have a pregnant daughter that still gets the abortion she wants.

Especially if the chap who got her pregnant ends up accused of rape and hung out to dry, just to save face on the political scene

That’s the thing, this ruling doesn’t stop people having safe abortions, it just makes it incredibly hard for poor people to have them unless they’re lucky enough to live in one of the few states that will maintain their pro choice policy.

It’s the blatant hypocrisy that really gets you.

[macky17]

Personally I think it's an appalling, regressive decision but, as a man, I believe all laws and legislation regarding abortion should be proposed, considered and legislated by women. Of course the opinions of men/potential fathers matter but it seems so presumptive of men to seek to impose their will upon a set processes which they will never have to experience.

[Gweeds]

Let’s remember that every one of the judges who voted to overturn this said they considered Roe vs Wade settled law. Every one.

So they lied.

And this won’t stop abortion. It’ll just drive it underground, make it more dangerous and affect poor and women of colour more.

[anonymous-user]

paulguitar said:

It was inevitable after RBG died and they put that alleged alcoholic rapist into the scotus

This is why I never had any time for people who were amused at trump getting elected. I knew if that ever came to pass America would be monumentally fked, and I am not at all pleased to have been right.

RBG was a selfish, ego driven fool in her later years. If she cared for the rights of women, she should have stepped down during Obama, as she was asked to do, in order for a younger version of herself to be apointed.

When you have a judge for life situation, such as with the Supreme Court, there is no room for personal ego.

USA is stuck with this unbalance in the courts makeup for decades now, unless you have a fundamental change in the political makeup of DC and you have a change in the constitution as a result.

[Collectingbrass]

Beati Dogu said:

ArnageWRC said:

Absolute loons and ghouls......do they know it's 2022??

I know! Imagine thinking people will take personal responsibility and use birth control before having sex in this day an age. It’s insane.

It's not just about personal responsibility using birth control. They could be a happily married couple trying for a baby and miscarry or suffer an eptopic pregancy. Both can be life threatening for the mother and an "abortion" is the right treatment. Time is of the essence but now you have to get from the Bible Belt to New York before the mother dies from the complications. Smokey & The Bandit this ain't.

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

Collectingbrass said:

Beati Dogu said:

ArnageWRC said:

Absolute loons and ghouls......do they know it's 2022??

I know! Imagine thinking people will take personal responsibility and use birth control before having sex in this day an age. It’s insane.

It's not just about personal responsibility using birth control. They could be a happily married couple trying for a baby and miscarry or suffer an eptopic pregancy. Both can be life threatening for the mother and an "abortion" is the right treatment. Time is of the essence but now you have to get from the Bible Belt to New York before the mother dies from the complications. Smokey & The Bandit this ain't.

From the link I posted earlier in the thread, it seems most (if not all) states will make exemptions for rape and health issues.

Link below to see what each State is planning

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-abortion-...