US Supreme court have overturned Roe V Wade
Discussion
GroundEffect said:
Should women be tried for manslaughter if they have a miscarriage?
Well, they do in El Salvador. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/10/el-s...
Biggy Stardust said:
“We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.”
? Christopher Hitchens
I remember his talk about the Ten Commandments and the implication that prior to this moment we were roaming around in amoral fashion, the man was a god, oh hang on!!? Christopher Hitchens
bstb3 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
This, sadly.
It's like they are sliding further back in time with each major decision.
I mean, if its what they want, then fair enough. Their gaff, their rules, but it all just seems very regressive and divisive.
You do have to wonder what the next target would be. Same sex marriage / relationships and contraception have been mentioned in one of the judges concurring remarks..It's like they are sliding further back in time with each major decision.
I mean, if its what they want, then fair enough. Their gaff, their rules, but it all just seems very regressive and divisive.
https://twitter.com/fordm/status/15403380643246981...
One of the biggest mysteries in life is how I can know so many nice individual citizens in such a barbaric nation?
Rufus Stone said:
MiniMan64 said:
So when it’s a couple of hundred cells it’s sentient?
That's not what I'm saying.I'm saying some people believe life begins at conception and they are entitled to that belief even if you disagree with it.
They are not entitled to force others to adhere to that belief.
Imagine the state telling a man what he can do with his body, there'd be a carnage.
Abortion should be provided on balance. Only the most reductivist mindset thinks it's some form of easy birth control. It's a hugely difficult and traumatic decision for a woman, but it is hers ultimately.
Are anti-abortionists saying that the state effectively forces a woman to give birth? that is can force an individual into what is not a risk free process, with life changing (and extinguishing) consequences for both mother an child? Pregnancy isn't getting a tattoo, it's fraught with danger.
Even in the event of rape or incest (which really, nobody consents to incest)
Rufus Stone said:
MiniMan64 said:
So when it’s a couple of hundred cells it’s sentient?
That's not what I'm saying.I'm saying some people believe life begins at conception and they are entitled to that belief even if you disagree with it.
I'm guessing some of the proper nutty states that already had trigger laws ready for this are also looking at ways to make travelling out of state to have abortions or having drugs delivered from out of state illegal. Of course for many that's simply not going to be an option financially anyway.
There are going to be some truly horrific stories that come out due to this in the next few years. Madness.
There are going to be some truly horrific stories that come out due to this in the next few years. Madness.
Rufus Stone said:
loafer123 said:
That is correct, they are entitled to that belief.
They are not entitled to force others to adhere to that belief.
But they are entitled to campaign for laws that support their belief.They are not entitled to force others to adhere to that belief.
Rufus Stone said:
loafer123 said:
That is correct, they are entitled to that belief.
They are not entitled to force others to adhere to that belief.
But they are entitled to campaign for laws that support their belief.They are not entitled to force others to adhere to that belief.
Sadly there appear to be a lot of religious extremists in the US
ch37 said:
I'm guessing some of the proper nutty states that already had trigger laws ready for this are also looking at ways to make travelling out of state to have abortions or having drugs delivered from out of state illegal. Of course for many that's simply not going to be an option financially anyway.
i believe lousiana has already made abortion illegalloafer123 said:
Rufus Stone said:
MiniMan64 said:
So when it’s a couple of hundred cells it’s sentient?
That's not what I'm saying.I'm saying some people believe life begins at conception and they are entitled to that belief even if you disagree with it.
They are not entitled to force others to adhere to that belief.
Randy Winkman said:
this has happened under a Democrat president.
Hmm, I cba to explain how Biden has no legal mechanism to affect this judgement, has condemned it very strongly, and it was set in motion entirely by the previous president.But, as this is common knowledge to anyone with a basic grasp of us politics, I have to assume you're just trolling for attention?
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