Barristers strike over pay
Discussion
Electro1980 said:
NuckyThompson said:
That’s the daily mails job mate. The standard stance of these people shouldn’t be asking for a pay rise look what nurses get. Not questioning why nurses are paid so poorly by the government in the first place.
I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Plus bus drivers, council workers, university and HE staff. Plus probably many more.I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Add them to the list.
Ah! for the halcyon day's of the 80's where every set of yellow pages had page after page of full page ads... 'Been arrested for any crime ring us now! burglary, assault, theft any crime.. where here now to give you the best representation call us on....'
Legal aid available. Green forms on the table at the entrance.
And that saying, that the solicitors had adopted when the most ubsured defences were put forward by some scally with 20 previous convictions... 'Who are we to diseblieve our client, he must plead not guilty and let the court decide....we need a jury for this case'
They pled the tax payer dry.
Legal aid available. Green forms on the table at the entrance.
And that saying, that the solicitors had adopted when the most ubsured defences were put forward by some scally with 20 previous convictions... 'Who are we to diseblieve our client, he must plead not guilty and let the court decide....we need a jury for this case'
They pled the tax payer dry.
HiAsAKite said:
Camoradi said:
This is serious. Who's going to make my coffee?
This needs the credit it deserves,,valiant said:
Electro1980 said:
NuckyThompson said:
That’s the daily mails job mate. The standard stance of these people shouldn’t be asking for a pay rise look what nurses get. Not questioning why nurses are paid so poorly by the government in the first place.
I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Plus bus drivers, council workers, university and HE staff. Plus probably many more.I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Add them to the list.
Biggus thingus said:
valiant said:
Electro1980 said:
NuckyThompson said:
That’s the daily mails job mate. The standard stance of these people shouldn’t be asking for a pay rise look what nurses get. Not questioning why nurses are paid so poorly by the government in the first place.
I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Plus bus drivers, council workers, university and HE staff. Plus probably many more.I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Add them to the list.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I'm surprised this can be allowed to happen as a consequence.
Woman charged with perverting course of justice told to represent herself in legal first
Article removed. Woman charged with perverting course of justice told to represent herself in legal first
Jim the Sunderer said:
I hope they billed the client £50 for printing out their placards.
Legal Aid will, I believe, be a fixed fee, placard included so it comes out of the whole amount. Hence the hourly rate, taken as a whole, can fall below NMW with all the pre trial work needed, and then trotting all the way out to some grim magistrates court to hope the case isnt part of the current mahoosive backlog.These are NOT fat cat barristers that charge powerfully built directors a fortune to advise on their dodgy contracts/ 4th divorce/ hidden offshore cash, but they are defending teenage Dirty McDirtbag, who people think should be banged up for life anyway regardless of due process, so no sympathy from the public or the Daily Heil there.
biggbn said:
Panamax said:
biggbn said:
Wonder why nobody has posted a suggestion that they just work harder and get a better paid job if they don't like it? That was suggested several times on other strike threads.... 
No doubt you'll remember that when you find yourself unexpectedly in court without legal representation.fblm said:
biggbn said:
Panamax said:
biggbn said:
Wonder why nobody has posted a suggestion that they just work harder and get a better paid job if they don't like it? That was suggested several times on other strike threads....
No doubt you'll remember that when you find yourself unexpectedly in court without legal representation.Biggus thingus said:
valiant said:
Electro1980 said:
NuckyThompson said:
That’s the daily mails job mate. The standard stance of these people shouldn’t be asking for a pay rise look what nurses get. Not questioning why nurses are paid so poorly by the government in the first place.
I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Plus bus drivers, council workers, university and HE staff. Plus probably many more.I wonder how much longer they can keep up the pretence that it’s workers and not employers that are the problem once most of the workforce in this country is on strike.
Railway workers and barristers done, teachers incoming, airline staff and NHS workers.
Add them to the list.
J4CKO said:
HiAsAKite said:
Camoradi said:
This is serious. Who's going to make my coffee?
This needs the credit it deserves,,kowalski655 said:
Legal Aid will, I believe, be a fixed fee, placard included so it comes out of the whole amount. Hence the hourly rate, taken as a whole, can fall below NMW with all the pre trial work needed, and then trotting all the way out to some grim magistrates court to hope the case isnt part of the current mahoosive backlog.
These are NOT fat cat barristers that charge powerfully built directors a fortune to advise on their dodgy contracts/ 4th divorce/ hidden offshore cash, but they are defending teenage Dirty McDirtbag, who people think should be banged up for life anyway regardless of due process, so no sympathy from the public or the Daily Heil there.
They are also prosecuting McDirtbag et al. This is a scandalous state of affairs for victims of crime. The whole criminal justice system is broken. These are NOT fat cat barristers that charge powerfully built directors a fortune to advise on their dodgy contracts/ 4th divorce/ hidden offshore cash, but they are defending teenage Dirty McDirtbag, who people think should be banged up for life anyway regardless of due process, so no sympathy from the public or the Daily Heil there.
greygoose said:
Pixelpeep 135 said:
thebraketester said:
GetCarter said:
Just so we all know the facts:
Training to be a criminal barrister: 5 years.
Cost of bar course: c.£13,000
Median annual income for juniors in first 3 years:
£12,200
Dreadful. Training to be a criminal barrister: 5 years.
Cost of bar course: c.£13,000
Median annual income for juniors in first 3 years:
£12,200
(that is actually true lol)
I've never really understood striking. I suspect it jars with me in part due to having lived some of my formative years living pretty close to Orgreave.
If you don't like the job you do and don't think it's valued enough, go and do something else that is.
OK, so trainees earn not much and courses cost money. But later in their careers, they're hardly on the breadline (60k after expenses median? Potential for massive upside if you're any good).
Maybe rather than strike, the industry needs to look after its own... Perhaps they could "tax" themselves with subs that go towards helping juniors out in their formative years rather than go all strikey.
Maybe our justice system needs to beef up its costs system so that when arsewipes like Katy Price, or Rooney and Vardy decide to go through it, they're hit with big enough costs that the money can then fund courses for barristers for years.
Etc.
If you don't like the job you do and don't think it's valued enough, go and do something else that is.
OK, so trainees earn not much and courses cost money. But later in their careers, they're hardly on the breadline (60k after expenses median? Potential for massive upside if you're any good).
Maybe rather than strike, the industry needs to look after its own... Perhaps they could "tax" themselves with subs that go towards helping juniors out in their formative years rather than go all strikey.
Maybe our justice system needs to beef up its costs system so that when arsewipes like Katy Price, or Rooney and Vardy decide to go through it, they're hit with big enough costs that the money can then fund courses for barristers for years.
Etc.
Murph7355 said:
If you don't like the job you do and don't think it's valued enough, go and do something else that is.
OK, so trainees earn not much and courses cost money. But later in their careers, they're hardly on the breadline (60k after expenses median? Potential for massive upside if you're any good).
You could have saved yourself some typing and just said "I couldn't be bothered to read the thread".OK, so trainees earn not much and courses cost money. But later in their careers, they're hardly on the breadline (60k after expenses median? Potential for massive upside if you're any good).
Murph7355 said:
If you don't like the job you do and don't think it's valued enough, go and do something else that is.
The problem with that is that you (and I) depend on a lot of people having a "calling" to do a job that is poorly recompensed or treated – teachers, medical staff, care workers, etc. They know that it is particularly well paid when they go into it, but that doesn't mean that they will put up with any denigration of their role just because they enjoy the job.If they all left, the employers would have to put the rates up to attract a new cohort anyway!
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