Five countries seek to delay EU fossil fuel car phase-out

[FourWheelDrift]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/five-countr...

"Italy, Portugal, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Romania want to delay a European Union plan to effectively ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2035 by five years"

[dvs_dave]

Ooh, look. The poorest nations weaseling to get their EV infrastructure paid for by everyone else.

[poo at Paul's]

Pretty sure Germany has pretty much done this too, but maybe for different reasons.

[Timothy Bucktu]

It was never going to happen, even before Ukraine kicked off.

[Ian Geary]

Thankfully, the UK has secured it's freedom to implement this ban independent of the EU.


Sorry, perhaps this should be on the benefits of brexit thread?

[rodericb]

dvs_dave said:

Ooh, look. The poorest nations weaseling to get their EV infrastructure paid for by everyone else.

I suppose if those nations are weaseling to get someone else to pay for their EV infrastructure then it infers that the EV infrastructure will be state owned. I imagine they need a bit more time to amass the budget for such a massive infrastructure spend!

[tight fart]

Driving down the German autobahns in the motor home last week, at a steady 90kph and regularly getting
rocked by big diesel cars doing 200kph plus got me thinking.
Germany isn’t ready for electric cars, whilst I know their performance is impressive how far can a Tesla travel at
130mph, those that I see out here even have the windows open to save putting the air con on.

[GroundZero]

How many petrol and diesel cars on the road within Europe and the rest of the world?
Millions and millions.
For authoritarian governments to say, we're going to force everyone out of them in to milk floats, is going to be a massive massive waste of perfectly good products and also a waste of the perfectly good infrastructure, jobs and maintenance parts that go in to supporting and servicing them. Millions of cars to quickly find their way to the scrap heap? Doesn't sound very environmentally friendly does it?

[kiethton]

GroundZero said:

How many petrol and diesel cars on the road within Europe and the rest of the world?
Millions and millions.
For authoritarian governments to say, we're going to force everyone out of them in to milk floats, is going to be a massive massive waste of perfectly good products and also a waste of the perfectly good infrastructure, jobs and maintenance parts that go in to supporting and servicing them. Millions of cars to quickly find their way to the scrap heap? Doesn't sound very environmentally friendly does it?

And thats before you consider the lack of electricity generation - how will all of these new electric cars be charged?

[Ziplobb]

I think it will happen here too

Here on the Isle of Wight we are just not ready for it. The rural areas do not have the infrastructure to cope. We have only just got faster broadband (35 MB) and the number of people on low incomes means that buying / leasing a new car is not an option. Huge numbers of 20/30 yo cars around here that do 2/3k miles a year and owe their owners nothing. Big solar projects have been stopped pretty much as the grid cant cope with the influx of power on a good generating day as well.

[catso]

Makes sense to me. There's no way I can see us being ready for electric cars in the timeframe given, especially since the clown brought it forward 5 years from the EU's, already ambitious 2035.

[Camoradi]

Oddly, I think they cessation of sales of ICE cars could actually reduce emissions, but not by the intended route.

Motorists unable or unwilling to afford electric vehicles will hang onto ICE vehicles for longer, leading to a reduction in emissions from car production.

Unless electric or hydrogen technology improve, I'm planning to renew my ICE car shortly before the ban comes in, possibly also retaining my old one, and then run them until I fall off my perch

[garagewidow]

I watch a lot of this guys vids on youtube,..

This one explains a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8CnlL8I4HE

[98elise]

tight fart said:

Driving down the German autobahns in the motor home last week, at a steady 90kph and regularly getting
rocked by big diesel cars doing 200kph plus got me thinking.
Germany isn’t ready for electric cars, whilst I know their performance is impressive how far can a Tesla travel at
130mph, those that I see out here even have the windows open to save putting the air con on.

You're saying Teslas in Germany all drive around with windows down to save using the Aircon? If that is a thing, can you read minds?

I generally don't use aircon as I much prefer open windows and fresh air no matter what car I'm driving.

[Jockman]

Camoradi said:

Oddly, I think they cessation of sales of ICE cars could actually reduce emissions, but not by the intended route.

Motorists unable or unwilling to afford electric vehicles will hang onto ICE vehicles for longer, leading to a reduction in emissions from car production.

Unless electric or hydrogen technology improve, I'm planning to renew my ICE car shortly before the ban comes in, possibly also retaining my old one, and then run them until I fall off my perch

You will run out of fuel to put in your ICE well before then.

[Jockman]

catso said:

Makes sense to me. There's no way I can see us being ready for electric cars in the timeframe given, especially since the clown brought it forward 5 years from the EU's, already ambitious 2035.

If you have access to an electric plug you are able to charge an EV.

[Biggy Stardust]

Jockman said:

If you have access to an electric plug you are able to charge an EV.

How about in those terraced areas where you have to park a couple of streets from your house? Long extension lead?

[J4CKO]

tight fart said:

Driving down the German autobahns in the motor home last week, at a steady 90kph and regularly getting
rocked by big diesel cars doing 200kph plus got me thinking.
Germany isn’t ready for electric cars, whilst I know their performance is impressive how far can a Tesla travel at
130mph, those that I see out here even have the windows open to save putting the air con on.

Thing is, nobody actually needs to drive at 130 MPH or more, if your car cant sustain that then perhaps travel at a slower speed and use less energy ?

Germany, as far as I am aware is the only country with bits of de-restricted road, and they are campaigning to change that.

Doesnt matter if Germany is ready or not, we are where we are and if you are struggling for fuel, its a no brainer to drop for 130 mph to a speed where you use less of it. Wonder what the difference if of a large diesel doing 130 vs say 80 ? must use half the fuel given that air resistance increases as a square of speed ?

I know some will say well its up to the individual, if they can afford it then crack on, all well and good but maybe not if we get to a point of it being rationed.

[Camoradi]

Jockman said:

Camoradi said:

Oddly, I think they cessation of sales of ICE cars could actually reduce emissions, but not by the intended route.

Motorists unable or unwilling to afford electric vehicles will hang onto ICE vehicles for longer, leading to a reduction in emissions from car production.

Unless electric or hydrogen technology improve, I'm planning to renew my ICE car shortly before the ban comes in, possibly also retaining my old one, and then run them until I fall off my perch

You will run out of fuel to put in your ICE well before then.

That's a brave claim from someone who doesn't know how old I am, but point taken. Lack of fuel would of course cause me to rethink.

[foxbody-87]

Jockman said:

If you have access to an electric plug you are able to charge an EV.

What, even if you live in a terrace and your car’s parked 6 houses away (or on the next street)?
Give your head a wobble.