Met Police Placed in Special Measures
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irc said:
MET? Amateurs. Stop search rates overall 6 times higher in Scotland. A s most ofvthem were in Glasgow.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...
I like to bash police scotland as much as anyone but I don’t think that’s true anymore. That report is from 2014 and the study cited led to a new code of practice. More recent figures suggest that the rate per 1000 people is 10 or under.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...
Terminator X said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Terminator X said:
I'm all for stop and search, the rozzers should do more of it.
How many times have you been stopped, held up for half an hour, before being left to go on your way. Do you think if this was happening to you on a regular basis, you might not be so keen? 
ks if it helps get knives off the streets.TX.
I've been reading Hack Attack by Davies.
It shows the good side and bad side of journalism. It's not written to make it an easy read, but it is fascinating.
More than exposing journalism, at least of the Murdoch papers and other tabloids, it shows how corrupt police management was (is?), how corrupt the CPS was (is) and how corrupt politics is. The judiciary doesn't come out clean either.
It's a wee bit more recent than Orgreave as well.
Part of the problem with the Met police is the size of it. The boss has little or no influence on how the job's done at the coal face. This 'special measures' kick is politics. Blatant as well. The phone-hacking and worse scandal was the time for special measures with the rankers. But no. That would have meant the bodies of important people would be left in the gutter.
The concentration on the PC rapist is rather shallow. I would say did Shipman stop you going to see your GP, but then who does nowadays. The most deadly serial killer this country's had and it gave rise to no special measures for the medical profession.
The Met is too big to govern. I don't know what the answer is. It is, in effect, cut into pieces now, and that causes problems. The system, from probationer to HomSec ensures there will be problems.
It shows the good side and bad side of journalism. It's not written to make it an easy read, but it is fascinating.
More than exposing journalism, at least of the Murdoch papers and other tabloids, it shows how corrupt police management was (is?), how corrupt the CPS was (is) and how corrupt politics is. The judiciary doesn't come out clean either.
It's a wee bit more recent than Orgreave as well.
Part of the problem with the Met police is the size of it. The boss has little or no influence on how the job's done at the coal face. This 'special measures' kick is politics. Blatant as well. The phone-hacking and worse scandal was the time for special measures with the rankers. But no. That would have meant the bodies of important people would be left in the gutter.
The concentration on the PC rapist is rather shallow. I would say did Shipman stop you going to see your GP, but then who does nowadays. The most deadly serial killer this country's had and it gave rise to no special measures for the medical profession.
The Met is too big to govern. I don't know what the answer is. It is, in effect, cut into pieces now, and that causes problems. The system, from probationer to HomSec ensures there will be problems.
Terminator X said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Terminator X said:
I'm all for stop and search, the rozzers should do more of it.
How many times have you been stopped, held up for half an hour, before being left to go on your way. Do you think if this was happening to you on a regular basis, you might not be so keen? ks if it helps get knives off the streets.TX.
This is being discussed on R4 today programme now - Mina the interviewee stated that the whatasapp group name is utterly vile and she is not allowed to say it on media as it would be censored.
So clearly what is it? I don’t think this should be hidden away rather it should be totally out there to shame those involved and their superiors who allowed it to happen.
I’ve read some of the transcript in the red tops which is in my mind utterly insane and unbelievable that people could “banter” like that, more so coppers.
So clearly what is it? I don’t think this should be hidden away rather it should be totally out there to shame those involved and their superiors who allowed it to happen.
I’ve read some of the transcript in the red tops which is in my mind utterly insane and unbelievable that people could “banter” like that, more so coppers.
105.4 said:
anonymoususer said:
GMP needs something similar
And SYP, the Force that brought you Orgreave, Hillsborough and Rotherham, amongst many other scandals.SYP had also previously dealt with the steel strike, as a bit of background. The strikers said thank you when officers dealt with the usual anarchists who had no connection to the dispute other than just there to have a ruck with the police, create trouble, damage and do a bit of stealing if they could get away with it. They were literally kicked into next week, no strikers were touched. Shook hands with the strikers.
Just to put a bit of context round the place.
XCP said:
Biggy Stardust said:
For blokes strip-searching yong girls, murdering women, that sort of thing? OK.
Got a link for men strip searching young girls? I must have missed that one.Here it is again in case you keep missing it: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/me...
"HMIC also cited a series of scandals: from the murder of Sarah Everard by the serving Met officer Wayne Couzens; the strip-searching of innocent children such as Child Q; stop and search controversies such as that of the champion athlete Bianca Williams; and grossly offensive attitudes among officials revealed by messages exchanged between officers at Charing Cross police station."
Here's more links in case you don't like the guardian:
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/news/seven-child-strip-...
https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-06-24/eight-m...
I'm surprised you missed it as it made the news in a lot of places.
Edited by Biggy Stardust on Wednesday 29th June 10:41
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Biggy Stardust said:
I'm waiting to see how the usual apologists will spin this to be anyone / everyone else's fault.
Well we have had conservative Home Secretaries, who ultimately are responsible for policing, for the last 12 years. So maybe some blame could be apportioned there. If you want to call out politicians, the Met are responsible to the Mayor of London...who happens to be Labour.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 29th June 12:00
Biggy Stardust said:
XCP said:
Biggy Stardust said:
For blokes strip-searching yong girls, murdering women, that sort of thing? OK.
Got a link for men strip searching young girls? I must have missed that one.Here it is again in case you keep missing it: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/me...
"HMIC also cited a series of scandals: from the murder of Sarah Everard by the serving Met officer Wayne Couzens; the strip-searching of innocent children such as Child Q; stop and search controversies such as that of the champion athlete Bianca Williams; and grossly offensive attitudes among officials revealed by messages exchanged between officers at Charing Cross police station."
XCP said:
Biggy Stardust said:
XCP said:
Biggy Stardust said:
For blokes strip-searching yong girls, murdering women, that sort of thing? OK.
Got a link for men strip searching young girls? I must have missed that one.Here it is again in case you keep missing it: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/me...
"HMIC also cited a series of scandals: from the murder of Sarah Everard by the serving Met officer Wayne Couzens; the strip-searching of innocent children such as Child Q; stop and search controversies such as that of the champion athlete Bianca Williams; and grossly offensive attitudes among officials revealed by messages exchanged between officers at Charing Cross police station."
Excellent.
BBC link good enough evidence for you? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61523291
Seems to me it is the usual problem of piss poor leadership trickling downwards.
Start with the mayor, busy playing politics with the met at every level. Then add the senior leaders joining the political game.
As you get down the ranks things get progressively less properly disciplined and organised and increasingly defensive. The blame culture thrives.
Creates a horrible working environment, pisses off the public and performs poorly.
Start cutting the dead wood at the top end.
Start with the mayor, busy playing politics with the met at every level. Then add the senior leaders joining the political game.
As you get down the ranks things get progressively less properly disciplined and organised and increasingly defensive. The blame culture thrives.
Creates a horrible working environment, pisses off the public and performs poorly.
Start cutting the dead wood at the top end.
Biggy Stardust said:
Everything is above board, the investigations are totally unnecessary, nobody is at fault in any way, nobody got murdered, that sort of thing?
Excellent.
BBC link good enough evidence for you? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61523291
Thanks,Excellent.
BBC link good enough evidence for you? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61523291
Sounds well dodgy on the face of it.
Biggy Stardust said:
XCP said:
Thanks,
Sounds well dodgy on the face of it.
You're welcome. I'm genuinely surprised you weren't aware of it as it made national headlines. Sounds well dodgy on the face of it.
Obviously we have to do presumption of innocence until proven otherwise but there's a fair amount already proven.
Biggy Stardust said:
You're quite happy for it to be done to others but I suspect that you might not be so keen if you were on the receiving end.
I bed to differ. At a time when there was high knife crime in Glasgow City Centre I was randomly searched as I left Central Station. Everyone leaving the station was being searched. They were polite. It lasted about 60 seconds then I was on my way to my night out. Happy that there might be a lower chance of meeting a tooled up ned.
Absolutely no issues with being searched in the circumstances.
Other recent points of failure
However, the inspectorate’s overall finding was that the Met’s counter-corruption arrangements and procedures are fundamentally flawed. For example:
in the past two years, the Met has recruited people with criminal connections and more than 100 people who have committed offences. Some of these recruitment decisions may have been justifiable, but the force failed to properly supervise these people to lessen the risks;
property and exhibits procedures were dire. Hundreds of items were not accounted for, including cash and drugs. In one instance, the security access code for a property store had been inscribed on the outside of the door;
the force doesn’t know whether all those in sensitive posts – such as child protection, major crime investigation, and informant handling – have been cleared to the level of security vetting needed;
over 2,000 warrant cards issued to personnel who had since left the force were unaccounted for; and
the Met still does not have the capability to proactively monitor its IT systems, despite repeated warnings from the inspectorate. IT monitoring is used by most forces to enhance their ability to identify corrupt personnel.
etc etc
However, the inspectorate’s overall finding was that the Met’s counter-corruption arrangements and procedures are fundamentally flawed. For example:
in the past two years, the Met has recruited people with criminal connections and more than 100 people who have committed offences. Some of these recruitment decisions may have been justifiable, but the force failed to properly supervise these people to lessen the risks;
property and exhibits procedures were dire. Hundreds of items were not accounted for, including cash and drugs. In one instance, the security access code for a property store had been inscribed on the outside of the door;
the force doesn’t know whether all those in sensitive posts – such as child protection, major crime investigation, and informant handling – have been cleared to the level of security vetting needed;
over 2,000 warrant cards issued to personnel who had since left the force were unaccounted for; and
the Met still does not have the capability to proactively monitor its IT systems, despite repeated warnings from the inspectorate. IT monitoring is used by most forces to enhance their ability to identify corrupt personnel.
etc etc
Bigends said:
Other recent points of failure
However, the inspectorate’s overall finding was that the Met’s counter-corruption arrangements and procedures are fundamentally flawed. For example:
in the past two years, the Met has recruited people with criminal connections and more than 100 people who have committed offences. Some of these recruitment decisions may have been justifiable, but the force failed to properly supervise these people to lessen the risks;
Looking at that point in particular, is that officers only, is it actually a significant number, and what sort of offences. As stated that could be good, bad or neither.However, the inspectorate’s overall finding was that the Met’s counter-corruption arrangements and procedures are fundamentally flawed. For example:
in the past two years, the Met has recruited people with criminal connections and more than 100 people who have committed offences. Some of these recruitment decisions may have been justifiable, but the force failed to properly supervise these people to lessen the risks;
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