Bianca Williams partner stopped by police again
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essayer said:
Video 1 is middle lane on a DC (A4/A40?) and Video 2 is in a residential area, although they're presented as if they are consecutive, 'they pulled me over and immediately ran to bash in my window'
How far did he carry on driving after overtaking the police car in #1 ? Must have been a fair way..
First video is A40 Westway eastbound just before the exit to Wood Lane. He presumably doesn't take that exit, but continues to the next, Harrow Rd, then turns off to Westbourne Bridge, then right into Orsett Terrace. About 2 miles. I can't see that location is any safer than others, assuming he was referring to his physical safety in the presence of police (can't see it was unsafe in terms of traffic to stop there!). The A40 where he was asked to stop was lined with houses of a type more likely to notice what was going on, and has far more passing traffic.How far did he carry on driving after overtaking the police car in #1 ? Must have been a fair way..
From the previous incident, five officers are facing a disciplinary hearing for gross misconduct, it's pending:
https://news.sky.com/story/bianca-williams-five-po...
Edited by Gareth79 on Monday 15th August 11:47
I had the utmost sympathy for him the first time he was stopped, as that was clearly just the Met seeing a black couple in a Mercedes, assuming they probably had drugs or weapons, and then putting them in handcuffs while searching the car. Absolutely racial profiling, none of that was anything approaching acceptable behaviour from the police in my opinion. The IOPC agreed.
This time however, in my opinion, he only has himself to blame. Driving down the middle lane of an empty road, allegedly using his phone, and then refuses to stop for police for a further 2.5 miles, including swerving round them.
This time however, in my opinion, he only has himself to blame. Driving down the middle lane of an empty road, allegedly using his phone, and then refuses to stop for police for a further 2.5 miles, including swerving round them.
In the first interaction they didn't follow the high way code which was why the Police originally took interest in them and when lit up by the police car didn't pull over straight away (plus also looked to have chucked something out the door).
The met should have published the bodycam and dashcam footage of the whole incident straight away.
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The advertising algorithm is quite apt
The met should have published the bodycam and dashcam footage of the whole incident straight away.
Edit:
The advertising algorithm is quite apt
untakenname said:
In the first interaction they didn't follow the high way code which was why the Police originally took interest in them and when lit up by the police car didn't pull over straight away (plus also looked to have chucked something out the door).
The met should have published the bodycam and dashcam footage of the whole incident straight away.
Edit:
The advertising algorithm is quite apt
The met should have published the bodycam and dashcam footage of the whole incident straight away.
Edit:
The advertising algorithm is quite apt
I have been stopped a fair few times, I worked for the Police for years and coppers generally respond well to you doing as you are told and being polite, its not hard.
I accept that as I am white my experience may be different, but carrying on driving when told to stop, once may have been a mistake, twice sounds more like a habit, hopefully this doesn't go his way as it sounds like he was driving like a dick then thought he would try his luck again.
I accept that as I am white my experience may be different, but carrying on driving when told to stop, once may have been a mistake, twice sounds more like a habit, hopefully this doesn't go his way as it sounds like he was driving like a dick then thought he would try his luck again.
Im not sure how this failing to stop actually works. I’ve never looked into it. If I get pulled over I’ll stop as I don’t drive a car fast enough to escape and trying would be just embarrassing.
But I used to drive lorries and sometimes has high value and or stuff which would be of interest to certain types. Abs we were told of pulled to hit the panic button in the cab, call 999 and not stop until it had been cleared by 999. We even had some paperwork with police chiefs association and Vosa which agreed with this. It never happened but the lorries were unmarked and the police would have no doubt thought I was taking the Micheal big time.
My point is that if I don’t have to stop until I’m happy cos I’m carrying comments to made certain medicines or other chemicals. Why can’t he just say he didn’t want to stop until he felt safe? I’m not saying he is the right btw… I’m just asking where the line in drawn?
But I used to drive lorries and sometimes has high value and or stuff which would be of interest to certain types. Abs we were told of pulled to hit the panic button in the cab, call 999 and not stop until it had been cleared by 999. We even had some paperwork with police chiefs association and Vosa which agreed with this. It never happened but the lorries were unmarked and the police would have no doubt thought I was taking the Micheal big time.
My point is that if I don’t have to stop until I’m happy cos I’m carrying comments to made certain medicines or other chemicals. Why can’t he just say he didn’t want to stop until he felt safe? I’m not saying he is the right btw… I’m just asking where the line in drawn?
Lord Marylebone said:
I had the utmost sympathy for him the first time he was stopped, as that was clearly just the Met seeing a black couple in a Mercedes, assuming they probably had drugs or weapons, and then putting them in handcuffs while searching the car. Absolutely racial profiling, none of that was anything approaching acceptable behaviour from the police in my opinion. The IOPC agreed .
The Met, their leadership and officers involved are contesting the IOPC and I wasn't aware hearings had taken place yet so it may be worth waiting to see the outcome before branding it as 'absolutely racial profiling' I don't think the drivers colour has much to do with it but I do suspect his manner of driving and sense of entitlement does.
Tankrizzo said:
I mean his video literally reinforces his failing to stop. Bizarre that he thinks otherwise.
He is repeatedly stating on Twitter that he was looking for a safe place to stop, quoting Highway Code 106 "You must then pull over and stop as soon as it is safe to do so" and saying that he was finding somewhere safe to stop, and that he wasn't going to stop in the middle of the main road as he deemed it unsafe.Personally I would have stopped where the Police asked me to, and trusted their judgement regarding where was safe.
My guess is that nothing will come of any of this, from either side. The argument they had once he had stopped was probably the end of it.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 15th August 13:23
Lord Marylebone said:
Tankrizzo said:
I mean his video literally reinforces his failing to stop. Bizarre that he thinks otherwise.
He is repeatedly stating on Twitter that he was looking for a safe place to stop, quoting Highway Code 106 "You must then pull over and stop as soon as it [b]is safe to do so[b]" and saying that he was finding somewhere safe to stop, and that he wasn't going to stop in the middle of the main road as he deemed it unsafe.Personally I would have stopped where the Police asked me to, and trusted their judgement regarding where was safe.
My guess is that nothing will come of any of this, from either side. The argument they had once he had stopped was probably the end of it.
Notwithstanding that there's loads of safe (to him) places he could have stopped, but didn't.
I've been pulled a few times (3 from memory) driving and not once has it got to the point where a marked car has had to overtake me to try and force me to stop, at which point I've then tried to drive around them instead of - you know - just stopping.
Disappointed to see this being reported on with absolutely no acknowledgement about the guy manifestly failing to stop. If anyone drove on for ~2.5 miles they'd be considered failing to stop and would be treated as such, doubly so if pulled over and then driven off before they've dealt with you - if that's indeed what happened.
Lord Marylebone said:
Tankrizzo said:
I mean his video literally reinforces his failing to stop. Bizarre that he thinks otherwise.
He is repeatedly stating on Twitter that he was looking for a safe place to stop, quoting Highway Code 106 "You must then pull over and stop as soon as it [b]is safe to do so[b]" and saying that he was finding somewhere safe to stop, and that he wasn't going to stop in the middle of the main road as he deemed it unsafe.Personally I would have stopped where the Police asked me to, and trusted their judgement regarding where was safe.
My guess is that nothing will come of any of this, from either side. The argument they had once he had stopped was probably the end of it.
Lotobear said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Struggling with why he didn't pull over earlier from what I can see on the video.
Clear open well lit road in the early hours seems pretty safe to me?
Possibly because there would have been no 'story' had he complied and done the right thing?Clear open well lit road in the early hours seems pretty safe to me?
t again" given how he was treated the last time but from what's been reported so far I think he's made himself look pretty daft on this one.Durzel said:
I've been pulled a few times (3 from memory) driving and not once has it got to the point where a marked car has had to overtake me to try and force me to stop, at which point I've then tried to drive around them instead of - you know - just stopping.
I was wondering about the being overtaken bit - I'd think possibly they had flashed their lights before the posted video starts? I don't think it's normal to pull in front of a car like that for a routine traffic stop, because the car would need to be behind so the lights are more visible, and they'd want the driver to pull to the side rather than having to stop in the middle as it would have turned out, had they stopped.(Direct link to the tweet with the video):
https://twitter.com/RDSS400/status/155876024688089...
It is odd.. there are regular flashes at the top of the video which are strange, but could just be camera artifacts. If they had blue lights on behind him I'd expect all of the road furniture to be lit up by it as well, like it does at the end of the video.
The full truth will possibly never come out unless the Met release their own footage of it. Part of me wishes they do because if it shows him driving along for a good 2.5 miles without looking like he was going to stop, e.g. hazards or indicators or whatever, then it would help their credibility with it.
As it is it seems more likely he'll get an apology because of the PR storm and prior history.
The full truth will possibly never come out unless the Met release their own footage of it. Part of me wishes they do because if it shows him driving along for a good 2.5 miles without looking like he was going to stop, e.g. hazards or indicators or whatever, then it would help their credibility with it.
As it is it seems more likely he'll get an apology because of the PR storm and prior history.
Edited by Durzel on Monday 15th August 13:45
Greendubber said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Tankrizzo said:
I mean his video literally reinforces his failing to stop. Bizarre that he thinks otherwise.
He is repeatedly stating on Twitter that he was looking for a safe place to stop, quoting Highway Code 106 "You must then pull over and stop as soon as it [b]is safe to do so[b]" and saying that he was finding somewhere safe to stop, and that he wasn't going to stop in the middle of the main road as he deemed it unsafe.Personally I would have stopped where the Police asked me to, and trusted their judgement regarding where was safe.
My guess is that nothing will come of any of this, from either side. The argument they had once he had stopped was probably the end of it.
When you have multiple police cars on blue lights around you, it's going to be fairly safe to stop anywhere.
Why did he try to get around the police car that pulled in front of him? That isn't a sensible thing to do in any circumstance.
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