Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
Discussion
Mr Penguin said:
valiant said:
But they will take help from the NHS if it was available and easily accessible.
I genuinely don't see why someone would take help from the NHS while refusing help from elsewhere.On top of that is the messed up system that employers will give time off for mental healthcare prescribed/refered by the NHS but not for private therapy (something I have had to contend with. An employer considering it a choice because it wasn’t based on a GP referral, but on the GP telling me how long the wait list was when giving me anti-depressants).
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Rufus Stone said:
Sounds like the ups and downs of life to me Stewie. Most of us have been there at some point, including me, but I certainly never considered myself suffering a mental illness.
With hindsight perhaps yes but at the time it certainly didn't feel like it.Some people cope with "the ups and downs of life" better than others and a rough few weeks for me could see someone else shrugging it off whilst for someone else they would be giving a train driver a very bad day.
The point wasn't really about me the point was that I consider myself lucky but it still wasn't pleasant at the time - being in a much worse place and not being able to do a damned thing about it in terms of treatment or help seems a pretty grim place to be.
hidetheelephants said:
Only for weirdos; aside from batsttery from the likes of Truss the tory party still support healthcare free at point of delivery, unless I missed a prime ministerial press conference. They're fking useless at delivering it right enough though.
They do (The Tory's do support free at the point of use ) but the political ground is how far the NHS system goes and where you need to sort yourself out.ttery from the likes of Truss the tory party still support healthcare free at point of delivery, unless I missed a prime ministerial press conference. They're fking useless at delivering it right enough though.We have had 35 years of overt-individualism shoved down our throats and 'self determination' plus a lock down to top it all off. now society reflects that change - its split and fractured, most young people seem to celebrate this until 35 or the s
t hits the fan. The Christian values of a family unit and marriage are and were under valued. Now, the arguement is the state needs to come in and support millions because of this on a perpetual, unlimited basis with the higher rate tax payers footing the bill? I don't really fancy it myself.
The root cause is a lack of value around family, friends, study and a hard working albeit, steady job.
NHS spending just papers over the symptoms.
I really don't know what the problem is here. People clearly don't understand mental illness. It is something that can be simply eradicated by legislation. It never existed in my day. People just manned up; you can't even say man up to someone anymore as some woke snowflake will take vicarious offence. Mental illness is a social construct that simply exists to validate state nannying and allow those who wish to opt out to do so and be supported by those of us who stuck in at school and/or got our lives together and pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps. Mental illness, like gender issues, racism, sexism, homophobia and any/all 'isms' or 'obias' are the product of a deep state controlled by the left to enable them to control our thoughts and actions. When I was a lad you could call a spade a spade, but call a spade a spade now and you'll be suspended from your job and held up by the press, which is also controlled by leftist gender fluid free Palestine workshy immigrants to further their own agendas as some kind of right wing nutcase, or even a fascist who is a danger to society. Don't get me wrong, of course, some people have genuine Mental health issues. Even I feel a little down sone days, or angry for no reason I can identify, but I CHOOSE not to let it affect me. I CHOOSE to have a good day. People with real mental health issues, of which there are, undoubtedly a few are simply making poor choices. The Tory party shoukd be commended for trying to implement these new measures, which will help sort the wheat from the chaff AND once sorted, help the genuine cases man up, sorry, and make better choices. This simple piece of policy will get the country back on its feet and within 6 months we will all be able to leave our houses without locking our doors and weekly street parties like we had for the Queen's coronation will help keep those feeling 'a little bit down' a lot happier. Win/win.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: With hindsight perhaps yes but at the time it certainly didn't feel like it.
Some people cope with "the ups and downs of life" better than others and a rough few weeks for me could see someone else shrugging it off whilst for someone else they would be giving a train driver a very bad day.
The point wasn't really about me the point was that I consider myself lucky but it still wasn't pleasant at the time - being in a much worse place and not being able to do a damned thing about it in terms of treatment or help seems a pretty grim place to be.
Thing is Stewie, if you sensationalise what is a normal human reaction to a relationship break up as a mental illness then you trivialise what serious mental illness actually is. If you argue that being unhappy is a mental imbalance, then so is being happy. I would definitely say falling in love is a mental imbalance, but it isn't a mental illness. Some people cope with "the ups and downs of life" better than others and a rough few weeks for me could see someone else shrugging it off whilst for someone else they would be giving a train driver a very bad day.
The point wasn't really about me the point was that I consider myself lucky but it still wasn't pleasant at the time - being in a much worse place and not being able to do a damned thing about it in terms of treatment or help seems a pretty grim place to be.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Bit disappointed you didn't manage to slip something in their about wanting your country back 
My post, which I hope everyone recognises as being parodic, is however also meant to identify what is a real problem. If you have not experienced mental health issues either directly or because someone you love suffers or you work in an environment where you have to deal with it, it is easy to dismiss it, it is easy to buy the headlines, believe the 'sick note' Britain rhetoric. As I always say, we can only analyse life through the parameters our lived experience provides unless we go out of our way, our comfort zone, to learn, to grow. Many do, many don't or sometimes can't. Rufus Stone said:
Thing is Stewie, if you sensationalise what is a normal human reaction to a relationship break up as a mental illness then you trivialise what serious mental illness actually is. If you argue that being unhappy is a mental imbalance, then so is being happy. I would definitely say falling in love is a mental imbalance, but it isn't a mental illness.
I don't think I'm sensationalising anything I'm simply explaining something and how it perhaps changed some of my own views on the subject.What I had was "low mood" for a few weeks and my point was that if that's what "low mood" does to someone I damned sure wouldn't want to experience what someone living permanently with "proper" depression or dealing with some other mental illness goes through.
People react to different things differently.
Maybe I'm doing a crap job of articulating it.
biggbn said:
I really don't know what the problem is here. People clearly don't understand mental illness. It is something that can be simply eradicated by legislation. It never existed in my day. People just manned up; you can't even say man up to someone anymore as some woke snowflake will take vicarious offence. Mental illness is a social construct that simply exists to validate state nannying and allow those who wish to opt out to do so and be supported by those of us who stuck in at school and/or got our lives together and pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps. Mental illness, like gender issues, racism, sexism, homophobia and any/all 'isms' or 'obias' are the product of a deep state controlled by the left to enable them to control our thoughts and actions. When I was a lad you could call a spade a spade, but call a spade a spade now and you'll be suspended from your job and held up by the press, which is also controlled by leftist gender fluid free Palestine workshy immigrants to further their own agendas as some kind of right wing nutcase, or even a fascist who is a danger to society. Don't get me wrong, of course, some people have genuine Mental health issues. Even I feel a little down sone days, or angry for no reason I can identify, but I CHOOSE not to let it affect me. I CHOOSE to have a good day. People with real mental health issues, of which there are, undoubtedly a few are simply making poor choices. The Tory party shoukd be commended for trying to implement these new measures, which will help sort the wheat from the chaff AND once sorted, help the genuine cases man up, sorry, and make better choices. This simple piece of policy will get the country back on its feet and within 6 months we will all be able to leave our houses without locking our doors and weekly street parties like we had for the Queen's coronation will help keep those feeling 'a little bit down' a lot happier. Win/win.
Jesus! The scary thing is you're a teacher!Rufus Stone said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: With hindsight perhaps yes but at the time it certainly didn't feel like it.
Some people cope with "the ups and downs of life" better than others and a rough few weeks for me could see someone else shrugging it off whilst for someone else they would be giving a train driver a very bad day.
The point wasn't really about me the point was that I consider myself lucky but it still wasn't pleasant at the time - being in a much worse place and not being able to do a damned thing about it in terms of treatment or help seems a pretty grim place to be.
Thing is Stewie, if you sensationalise what is a normal human reaction to a relationship break up as a mental illness then you trivialise what serious mental illness actually is. If you argue that being unhappy is a mental imbalance, then so is being happy. I would definitely say falling in love is a mental imbalance, but it isn't a mental illness. Some people cope with "the ups and downs of life" better than others and a rough few weeks for me could see someone else shrugging it off whilst for someone else they would be giving a train driver a very bad day.
The point wasn't really about me the point was that I consider myself lucky but it still wasn't pleasant at the time - being in a much worse place and not being able to do a damned thing about it in terms of treatment or help seems a pretty grim place to be.
eccles said:
biggbn said:
I really don't know what the problem is here. People clearly don't understand mental illness. It is something that can be simply eradicated by legislation. It never existed in my day. People just manned up; you can't even say man up to someone anymore as some woke snowflake will take vicarious offence. Mental illness is a social construct that simply exists to validate state nannying and allow those who wish to opt out to do so and be supported by those of us who stuck in at school and/or got our lives together and pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps. Mental illness, like gender issues, racism, sexism, homophobia and any/all 'isms' or 'obias' are the product of a deep state controlled by the left to enable them to control our thoughts and actions. When I was a lad you could call a spade a spade, but call a spade a spade now and you'll be suspended from your job and held up by the press, which is also controlled by leftist gender fluid free Palestine workshy immigrants to further their own agendas as some kind of right wing nutcase, or even a fascist who is a danger to society. Don't get me wrong, of course, some people have genuine Mental health issues. Even I feel a little down sone days, or angry for no reason I can identify, but I CHOOSE not to let it affect me. I CHOOSE to have a good day. People with real mental health issues, of which there are, undoubtedly a few are simply making poor choices. The Tory party shoukd be commended for trying to implement these new measures, which will help sort the wheat from the chaff AND once sorted, help the genuine cases man up, sorry, and make better choices. This simple piece of policy will get the country back on its feet and within 6 months we will all be able to leave our houses without locking our doors and weekly street parties like we had for the Queen's coronation will help keep those feeling 'a little bit down' a lot happier. Win/win.
Jesus! The scary thing is you're a teacher!eccles said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:eccles said:
Jesus! The scary thing is you're a teacher!
The scary thing is you can't work out he's taking the piss out of the frothers on here 
what is really scary is that my gross caricature could indeed seem normal due to the desensitisation we have developed in today's society...biggbn said:
I hope your astonishment is marvelling at my ability to caricature and not one of assuming those are my thoughts.....I'm sorry to feel the need to clarify, but this is PH, my post is a satire....
I have to admit I was rather surprised and it seemed out of character for you. As you say, there are plenty on here that would write something similar and mean it! biggbn said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Bit disappointed you didn't manage to slip something in their about wanting your country back
My post, which I hope everyone recognises as being parodic, is however also meant to identify what is a real problem. If you have not experienced mental health issues either directly or because someone you love suffers or you work in an environment where you have to deal with it, it is easy to dismiss it, it is easy to buy the headlines, believe the 'sick note' Britain rhetoric. As I always say, we can only analyse life through the parameters our lived experience provides unless we go out of our way, our comfort zone, to learn, to grow. Many do, many don't or sometimes can't. 
The NHS used to have a system of asylums where mentally ill people were dumped(along with the handicapped), given little or no treatment in the medical sense and left to get on with it, in some cases for the rest of their lives. We literally had a policy of out of sight out of mind. We don't do that anymore which is a good thing, but demand for mental health services has always greatly outstripped supply.hidetheelephants said:
biggbn said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Bit disappointed you didn't manage to slip something in their about wanting your country back
My post, which I hope everyone recognises as being parodic, is however also meant to identify what is a real problem. If you have not experienced mental health issues either directly or because someone you love suffers or you work in an environment where you have to deal with it, it is easy to dismiss it, it is easy to buy the headlines, believe the 'sick note' Britain rhetoric. As I always say, we can only analyse life through the parameters our lived experience provides unless we go out of our way, our comfort zone, to learn, to grow. Many do, many don't or sometimes can't. The NHS used to have a system of asylums where mentally ill people were dumped(along with the handicapped), given little or no treatment in the medical sense and left to get on with it, in some cases for the rest of their lives. We literally had a policy of out of sight out of mind. We don't do that anymore which is a good thing, but demand for mental health services has always greatly outstripped supply.biggbn said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Bit disappointed you didn't manage to slip something in their about wanting your country back
My post, which I hope everyone recognises as being parodic, is however also meant to identify what is a real problem. If you have not experienced mental health issues either directly or because someone you love suffers or you work in an environment where you have to deal with it, it is easy to dismiss it, it is easy to buy the headlines, believe the 'sick note' Britain rhetoric. As I always say, we can only analyse life through the parameters our lived experience provides unless we go out of our way, our comfort zone, to learn, to grow. Many do, many don't or sometimes can't. I remember when lockdown happened and and people were on the local news saying if they didn't get fly away to Majorca it would affect their mental health. Pretty much any news story where someone doesn't get their own way you'll get 'sad face' person saying it will affect their mental health.
It gets trotted out so many times for the most trivial of reasons these days.
biggbn said:
I really don't know what the problem is here. People clearly don't understand mental illness. It is something that can be simply eradicated by legislation. It never existed in my day. People just manned up; you can't even say man up to someone anymore as some woke snowflake will take vicarious offence. Mental illness is a social construct that simply exists to validate state nannying and allow those who wish to opt out to do so and be supported by those of us who stuck in at school and/or got our lives together and pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps. Mental illness, like gender issues, racism, sexism, homophobia and any/all 'isms' or 'obias' are the product of a deep state controlled by the left to enable them to control our thoughts and actions. When I was a lad you could call a spade a spade, but call a spade a spade now and you'll be suspended from your job and held up by the press, which is also controlled by leftist gender fluid free Palestine workshy immigrants to further their own agendas as some kind of right wing nutcase, or even a fascist who is a danger to society. Don't get me wrong, of course, some people have genuine Mental health issues. Even I feel a little down sone days, or angry for no reason I can identify, but I CHOOSE not to let it affect me. I CHOOSE to have a good day. People with real mental health issues, of which there are, undoubtedly a few are simply making poor choices. The Tory party shoukd be commended for trying to implement these new measures, which will help sort the wheat from the chaff AND once sorted, help the genuine cases man up, sorry, and make better choices. This simple piece of policy will get the country back on its feet and within 6 months we will all be able to leave our houses without locking our doors and weekly street parties like we had for the Queen's coronation will help keep those feeling 'a little bit down' a lot happier. Win/win.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Rufus Stone said:
Sounds like the ups and downs of life to me Stewie. Most of us have been there at some point, including me, but I certainly never considered myself suffering a mental illness.
With hindsight perhaps yes but at the time it certainly didn't feel like it.Some people cope with "the ups and downs of life" better than others and a rough few weeks for me could see someone else shrugging it off whilst for someone else they would be giving a train driver a very bad day.
The point wasn't really about me the point was that I consider myself lucky but it still wasn't pleasant at the time - being in a much worse place and not being able to do a damned thing about it in terms of treatment or help seems a pretty grim place to be.
He gave a train driver a very bad day.
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